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Gran Rey Cero and Resurreccion of Espada 4-1 Scaling

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My calc on Gran Rey Cero and Resurreccion of Espada 4-1 has been accepted and it's now time to start discussing who will be upgraded from this and who will scale, I've already gone ahead and done a large start in my blog of the calc; however, if anyone feels I left a character out from the scaling or if one of the characters I mentioned should not scale then please do voice your opinion:

Gran Rey Cero Scaling

Espada
All Espada at base are capable of using the Gran Rey Cero, they are reluctant to use it in Las Noches though (except Grimmjow), so all Espada scale to this result since they can use this ability.

Espada 1 - Coyote Starrk

Espada 2 - Barragan Louisenbair

Espada 3 - Tier Harribel

Espada 4 - Ulquiorra Cifer

Espada 5 - Nnoitra Gilga

Espada 6 - Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez

Espada 7 - Zommari Rureaux

Espada 8 - Szayelporro Granz

Espada 9 - Aaroniero Arruruerie

Espada 10 - Yammy Llargo

These characters in their Base Key and their Resurreccion Key for the Arrancar Arc all scale to High 6-C with Gran Rey Cero.

Characters Who Scale From Gran Rey Cero

Grimmjow's Resurreccion in the Arrancar Arc:
Scales from the Gran Rey Cero as Grimmjow's best attack, Desgarron is explicitly stated to be his best attack and weapon out of his arsenal which includes the Gran Rey Cero. Also since Grimmjow had managed to fight and injure Hollowfied Bankai Ichigo who scales directly to Gran Rey Cero.

Grimmjow's Resurreccion in the Thousand Year Blood War Arc:
Scales above the Gran Rey Cero by 8 times due to being stated to produce Reiatsu equivalent to 8 Gran Rey Cero with his Desgarron:

Rotating his eight tentacles which had been reduced to shreds, he began to accumulate his Reiatsu once more in order to unleash "Gran Rey Cero."

...

A "Gran Rey Cero" octet.

Sensing that an unprecedented attack was imminent, Grimmjow also attempts to engage his opponent with a technique that could counteract that attack.

Desgarrón.

Grimmjow processes the Reiatsu density which even exceeds that of "Gran Rey Cero" on the tips of both sets of claws, taking the form of huge sharpened claws they begin to stand towering over the surroundings forking to the left and right of his body.

It is not clear which side would emerge more formidable, but there appeared to be no doubt that the environs would be blown to smithereens with the impact of the Reiatsu either way.

—— Can't Fear Your Own World Vol 2

This Grimmjow should scale to 967.424 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island Level, High 6-C).

Hikone:
Hikone is superior to Grimmjow's Resurreccion in the Thousand Year Blood War Arc per his profile description, so Hikone should scale above 967.424 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island Level, High 6-C) to "At least High 6-C".

Hollowfied Bankai Ichigo:
scales due to literally no-selling Grimmjow's Gran Rey Cero and from overpowering, holding back and taking hits from Grimmjow's Desgarro which is superior to Gran Rey Cero.

Every Ichigo that scales above this Ichigo scales as well.

Luppi Antenor's Resurreccion in the Thousand Year Blood War Arc:
This profile doesn't have a key for this arc, so now is the best time to make it.

Luppi scales directly to the Gran Rey Cero since he fires it like crazy (even at point blank sometimes to scale back to durability) and was fighting Resurreccion Grimmjow who scales above Gran Rey Cero already:

As Luppi enclosed Grimmjow with four of his tentacles from top and bottom, left and right, from the remaining four he unleashed a Cero fused with his own blood.

Counter to that, Grimmjow daringly juts forward and slips through a gap between the tentacles.

"But, I have reason to kill you asshole."

Then, slashing away the Cero that was fired from those remaining four tentacles using his own claws, Grimmjow came prowling towards Luppi.

"…*gasp!*"

"Any fool who looks at me with mocking eyes, I don't give a damn who they are, I'll beat the crap out them!"

And thus, he attempted to drive the well-honed claws of his Zanpakutō into Luppi's chest just as he had done in the past. ——

"…Got ya."

Smiling fearlessly, it is Luppi who advanced forward without pause, and deliberately let the claws sink into his own abdomen.

" ! "

"You'll beat the crap out the guy who mocks you Huh? Oh my, what a coincidence."

He didn't just offset the attack from his vitals which were being targeted, rather, as though an insectivorous plant was devouring its prey, Luppi wrapped his eight tentacles around both himself and Grimmjow. ——

"I intend to do the same, Grimmjow."

In a gesture that compromised his own body, Luppi fires a volley of Cero at Grimmjow.

"…As if I'd let you!"

At the same time, Grimmjow instantaneously draws in a sharp breath, he spews an explosive roar woven with Reiatsu, and to top it off, from the armour on his arm which was free, Grimmjow launched hooked claws containing a mass of Reiatsu —— Garra de la Pantera.

Both of their attacks intersect, explosive flames and sprays of blood blanket the vicinity around the pair.

—— Can't Fear Your Own World Vol 2

At the same time, Luppi also made the Gran Rey Cero Octet from the quote above, so he could potentially scale to the 967.424 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island Level, High 6-C) as well.

Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck's Base in the Thousand Year Blood War Arc:
She was able to eat half of a Gran Rey Cero from Hikone and fire back a more powerful Cero by adding her own to it:

Hikone's outstretched palm glowed bright, his eyes innocent, yet emotionless. A Gran Rey Cero was shot with full force. Neliel and Liltotto jumped in, side-by-side; each of them opened their mouths and devoured it. Neliel added her own Cero to the original and fired it back, using her 'Cero Doble' technique. However, by the time the flash faded, the Garganta had closed up.

...

A voice beside Neliel spoke. She turned to find the young Quincy addressing her. Because the Cero she had fired was a bit too strong, blood dripped from the edge of Neliel's mouth.

Nel should at least scale to half of the AP of Hikone in her base form of this arc which would be 483.712 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island Level, High 6-C)

Liltotto Lamperd's Base in the Thousand Year Blood War Arc:
She was able to eat half of a Gran Rey Cero from Hikone and nullify it.

Hikone's outstretched palm glowed bright, his eyes innocent, yet emotionless. A Gran Rey Cero was shot with full force. Neliel and Liltotto jumped in, side-by-side; each of them opened their mouths and devoured it. Neliel added her own Cero to the original and fired it back, using her 'Cero Doble' technique. However, by the time the flash faded, the Garganta had closed up.

Liltotto should at least scale to half of the AP of Hikone in her base form of this arc which would be 483.712 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island Level, High 6-C)

Espada 4-1 Resurreccion Scaling
Espada 4-1 in their Resurreccion should all scale to 120.928 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level, High 6-C) since just their Resurreccion is deemed to have the same effect as the Gran Rey Cero.

Espada 1 - Coyote Starrk

Espada 2 - Barragan Louisenbair

Espada 3 - Tier Harribel

Espada 4 - Ulquiorra Cifer

Those Who Scale to These Espada
Shunsui, Ukitake, Rose and Love all fought a Resurreccion Starrk. They should scale from him since they could take hits from him and at least hurt him as well (although Shunsui did perform the best out of them all since he eventually beat Starrk while the rest fell to Starrk eventually).

Pre-Timeskip Bankai Sui-Feng managed to injure a Resurreccion Barragan, so she should scale from him.

Bankai Toshiro in the Arrancar Arc and Lisa should scale from Harribel due to fighting her (I've excluded Hiyori since she's blatantly the weakest of the Visoreds and didn't actually fight Harribel like Lisa and Toshiro did).

Further Scaling from Espada Scaling
Kenpachi during the Arrancar Arc as he is stronger than Bankai Toshiro from the same arc (plus Kenpachi was shown to be stronger than Hollowfied Bankai Ichigo from the same arc when Kenpachi did more damage to Resurreccion Yammy).

Byakuya during the Arrancar Arc as he is shown to be on a similar level to Kenpachi of this arc (plus Byakuya was shown to be stronger than Hollowfied Bankai Ichigo from the same arc when Byakuya did more damage to Resurreccion Yammy).

Yammy Llargo in his Resurreccio as he fought Byakuya and Kenpachi. Plus, Yammy is stated to be superior to Ulquiorra and Grimmjow in their Resurreccion at least.

Obvious Scaling
Yamamoto and Aize are obviously above 120.928 Gigatons of TNT (Large Island level, High 6-C) in their Base Arrancar Arc keys.
 
I agree with the scaling.

Also, won't Gin, Tosen, Yoruichi, Urahara, and Ishin scale too? Tosen was able to easily cut Grimmjow's arm IIRC, Gin should be in the same tier as him, and the other 3 could fight and damage Aizen and Chrysalis Aizen.

Edit: Also, what about the Sternritters and Fullbringers?
 
I'll get on to some of the scaling later but for now I'm just making sure. The Base Espadas are only High 6-C with Gran Rey Cero right?
 
@Ovy7; presumably this isn't scaling to Grimmjow's durability since it is with this specific attack.
 
Damage3245 said:
@Ovy7; presumably this isn't scaling to Grimmjow's durability since it is with this specific attack.
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Yes, all Base Espada scale only with the attack.

Some Espada do scale in their Resurreccion like Grimmjow since he was all around similar to Hollowfied Ichigo in their final fight when said Ichigo was superior to the Gran Rey Cero.
 
Alright since my question is answered I'm moving on to some of the scaling for the characters on this list.

Hikone should just be Low 6-B. He was stated to be equal to Ikomikidomoe who fought all the Post-Timeskip Espadas and some of the Sternritters at the same time. And most of those characters are already borderlining baseline Low 6-B. And he did all this while being restricted to just 20% of his power in base. So his 20% would be Low 6-B and his 100% would be Low 6-B+.

Doesn't Shunsui and Ukitake backscale from Yamamoto and being superior to Post-Timeskip Captains who are all superior to their Arrancar Arc self? Or is this considered an outlier for them and now they also are going to have multiple keys?

Lisa shouldn't scale to Resureccion Harribel. Harribel was still overpowering them even when Lisa, Hiyori and Toshiro attacked at the same time. And the former two were also using Shikai + Hollowfication. They should just scale to Arrancar Arc Shikai Toshiro instead.
 
I want to ask about something..

When Aizen fused with the hogyouko they weren't even able to sense his presence neither his reiatsu and couldn't even deal any damage to him, then he destroyed the cleaner which is stated to be the governer or administrator of the time and space in the dangai.. so doesn't this make Aizen 4D? I hope that someone can explain why not with a reason.
 
Hikone being Low 6-B makes sense then I would believe, but that scales back to Base Kenpachi in the final arc as well.

Could you elaborate more on the Shunsui and Ukitake part, what are you thinking they tier as?

As for Lisa, I think she should scale because she was fighting Harribel alone and even used Shikai and Hollowfication before Toshiro and Hiyori even jumped in to help. Reminder, this fight is shown in only two chapters and Lisa is doing all the fighting herself until Toshiro and Hiyori jump in at the very end.
 
Well I don't really know what they scale to since there might be more calcs in the future. But wasn't it agreed by most people that Shunsui was playing around during majority of the Arrancar Arc and didn't get serious until the end? Cause Resureccion Starrk being comparable to Shunsui would cause quite a bit of problems with the scaling.

When Lisa and Hiyori first jumped in in chapter 367 she was only surprised by them. Than in chapter 375 Harribel had a pretty causal expression throughout the entire fight while Lisa was already in Hollowification. And when Hiyori and Toshiro jumped in she still managed to knock away all of their attacks.
 
> Cause Resureccion Starrk being comparable to Shunsui would cause quite a bit of problems with the scaling.

@Peter yeah I agree with this take. To be fair to Shunsui, he outright stated he was fully intending to have to use Bankai to deal with Starrk though. Ukitake persuaded him simply to not do so due to the collateral of his abilities, the wisest choice.

Shunsui simply sneak-attacked the dude while his guard was dropped and got a major advantage from that, nuff said.
 
i agree with peter , that hikone should be low 6-B/6-B considering that she fought multiple high 6-C while at 20% power.

i agree with the rest.
 
Most of the visored scale from the battle of Karakura and Ichigo's Hollowfication training so there's that. Also I kinda disagree with Gin and base Tosen scaling, afterall if Gin scales, Bankai Ichigo would end up scaling for fighting him, when just not to long ago he couldn't even put more than a nick in Ress Yammy while Hollowfied. And yeah, the Ex Captains should definitely scale for fighting Aizen, heck Isshin alone was giving Aizen a run for his money until the Hogyoku kicked in.

Lisa was holding her own by herself while Hollowfied while Toshiro and Hiyori were arguing. While this in no way means Hollowfied Lisa = Ressurection Harribel, it does mean she's comparable with her mask, after all she's capable of fighting a Partially Hollowfied Ichigo without her mask albeit with difficulties, she could honestly scale to either one.

Personally I think Nelliel should be a possible High 6-C in Ressurection in the Arrancar Arc, giving how she's the former Tereca and stomp Nnoritora with it.
 
Arrancar Saga Bankai Ichigo was originally on par with Base Grimmjow. With Hollowfication he's on par with Resureccion Grimmjow this is the Ichigo that no sold the Gran Rey Cero. After his fight with Ulquiorra he was able to injure Resurreccion Yammy who is the strongest Espada at half his power. This is the Ichigo that Gin fought. It's Gin that scales from Ichigo not the other way around.

I really don't think Lisa should scale to Resurreccion Harribel in anyway even with Hollowfication considering how Harribel just simultaneously deflected all three of their attacks later on without showing any effort whatsoever.

Neliel was shown to be comparable to Nnoitra who is stronger than Grimmjow so she is definitely High 6-C in Resurreccion. Base Espadas depends on what the Resurreccion multiplier is. And personally I think it should be considered a 2x multiplier. Which would make most Espadas 6-C+ in Base.
 
Remember that Ichigo was at half power when he attacked Yammy, and IIRC he also had some problems with his mask at that moment.
 
People should account for the fact that Hollowfied Ichigo throughout the Arrancar arc has different levels of power given he gets stronger as it goes on.

For instance, Bankai Ichigo at the end of the arc is stronger than Hollowfied Ichigo when he finished his training.

Ulquiorra one-shot Hollowfied Ichigo when he had his mask on using a Cero, but in their last fight he tanked a Cero without his mask.
 
Yeah but it wasn't anywhere near a noticeable injury, it was a nick. Even if he was at full strength I'd doubt he'd be able to do anything more. Albeit a Hollowfied Ichigo would scale from injuring Aizen with a Getsuga and Gin's Buto Renjin, which is High 6-C itself anyway.

That would just cement Harribel is > The 3 rather than Lisa not scaling, who was still defending herself by her lonesome, at the very least she'd scale from Bankai Toshiro(Who Harribel is also stronger than and can still fight her competently by himself) and Possessed Ichigo.
 
Hollowfied Bankai Ichigo would still be High 6-C for no selling the Gran Rey Cero. Him hurting Base Aizen and blocking Buto Renjin is honestly just an outlier.

Resurreccion Harribel wasn't stronger than Arrancar Saga Bankai Toshiro. They were even throughout the fight and Toshiro only managed to beat her using Tenso Jurin in Bankai. But anyways Harribel wasn't even trying you could see that she didn't really attack Lisa at all. Hollowfied Lisa, Hollowfied Hiyori and Shikai Toshiro were portrayed as being around the same lvl rather than Lisa being vastly stronger and comparable to Bankai Toshiro. She only decided to attack first because the other two were busy bickering with each other.
 
Bankai Toshiro wasn't as strong as Harribel, simply their Ice and Water abilities countered each other. Not to mention she broke out of Hyoten Hykkaso without any noticeable injury, which is Toshiro's strongest attack. And it wouldn't make sense for Hollowfied Lisa and Hiyori to be comparable to Shikai Toshiro when Lisa can fight a possessed Bankai Ichigo with no mask.
 
They were pretty even to me they were both able to block and counter attacks from each other and also managed to land a hit on each other. Toshiro landed an ice slash that slightly froze her and she destroyed parts of his Bankai wing with a cero. Also she didn't break out of Hyoten Hyakkaso it was Wonderweiss that broke her out. Bankai Ichigo at the time was far weaker than he was when he fought Grimmjow on equal grounds. At this time he was only comparable to Soul Society Arc captains who were far weaker than their Arrancar Arc selves. So it makes sense for Lisa who is comparable to Arrancar Arc Shikai Toshiro to fight Early Arrancar Arc/Soul Society Arc Bankai Ichigo.
 
Halibel is kinda weird. She pretty much forces Hitsugaya into Bankai and still keeps up with him and only entered her Resurreccion to end the fight at once, after that Hitsugaya is basically on the defensive or failed offensive while Halibel counters almost everything he has. Even dodging a point blank blow when she was completely distracted.

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There's also a noticeable speed increase in her resurrecio
 
What I interpreted is that Base Harribel was holding back against Shikai Toshiro and forced him into Bankai when she got serious. And than she was overpowering a fake ice clone of Bankai Toshiro and than went Resureccion to completely overwhelm him. But than the real Toshiro showed up and he's roughly even with Resureccion Harribel. So basically I believe the scaling between them is

Bankai Toshiro w/ Tenso Jurin > Resureccion Harribel ~ Bankai Toshiro > Base Harribel > Ice Clone Bankai Toshiro > Shikai Toshiro
 
Peter1129 said:
What I interpreted is that Base Harribel was holding back against Shikai Toshiro and forced him into Bankai when she got serious. And than she was overpowering a fake ice clone of Bankai Toshiro and than went Resureccion to completely overwhelm him. But than the real Toshiro showed up and he's roughly even with Resureccion Harribel. So basically I believe the scaling between them is
Bankai Toshiro w/ Tenso Jurin > Resureccion Harribel ~ Bankai Toshiro > Base Harribel > Ice Clone Bankai Toshiro > Shikai Toshiro
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I always thought Toshirou simply set up his clone while Halibel was covered in her own water coocoon

Also Halibel was still wrecking Toshirou like a mom does to her child when he breaks one of her vases. Pretty much their elemental abilities was what saved Toshirou...And Plot Armor
 
Well later on when he reappeared to attack Harribel he didn't have any wounds on him. So I assume either he was already using a clone to fight the moment he went Bankai or perhaps he was already in Bankai and was using a clone to fight this whole time.
 
Except around this time the very same Arrancar Arc Toshiro fodderized Luppi with his Bankai, not to mention, Neither Toshiro or the Visoreds went through any major training unlike Ichigo with his Hollow Powers and them further increasing in Hueco Mundo. And like DI pointed out, Harribel forced him into Bankai and only went into Ressurection to make the fight go faster, she had the complete upper hand. She was otherwise doing fine and pushing him back in base. Not only that, Lisa was able to deflect a strike meant for Toshiro from her.
 
Peter1129 said:
Well later on when he reappeared to attack Harribel he didn't have any wounds on him. So I assume either he was already using a clone to fight the moment he went Bankai or perhaps he was already in Bankai and was using a clone to fight this whole time.
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Or Kubo forgot Toshirou was bleeding because the clone also isn't bleeding

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Ehh whatever you guys want I guess. Toshiro is like the most inconsistent character during the Arrancar Arc. Before the Fake Karakura Town fight even after going through one month of training he was getting injured and overpowered by Resureccion Luppi and than suddenly after like what one week he became strong enough to keep up with Resureccion Harribel and even land an attack on her.

@Hst master Lisa never deflected a strike for him. She attacked Harribel's sword arm thing and than Hiyori tried to take a swing at Harribel which caused her to back off.
 
Peter1129 said:
Ehh whatever you guys want I guess. Toshiro is like the most inconsistent character in the series. Before the Fake Karakura Town fight even after going through one month of training he was getting injured by Resureccion Luppi and than suddenly after like what one week he became strong enough to keep up with Resureccion Harribel and even land an attack on her.
@Hst master Lisa never deflected a strike for him. She attacked Harribel's sword arm thing and than Hitori tried to take a swing at Harribel which caused her to back off.
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Which Halibel broke out of with no visible effort on her part and only had pieces of ice on her due to her just breaking out of it
 
@Dangai Ichigo The fact that he could keep up with and tag somebody who is stronger than Resureccion Ulquiorra who pretty much blitzed Arrancar Arc Hollowfied Bankai Ichigo after his fight with Grimmjow still stands. He basically went from Privaron Espada Lvl to at the very least above 6th Espada Lvl in around a week.

@NothingToDebateWith According to IMade we can't use anything from Spirits Are Forever With You since there are only summaries of it rather than actual translations of the light novel.
 
Peter1129 said:
@Dangai Ichigo The fact that he could keep up with somebody who is stronger than Resureccion Ulquiorra who pretty much blitzed Arrancar Arc Hollowfied Bankai Ichigo after his fight with Grimmjow still stands.
@NothingToDebateWith According to IMade we can't use anything from Spirits Are Forever With You since there are only summaries of it rather than actual translations of the light novel.
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Well, I've stumbled upon a friend which have been reading it, he told me that Szayelporro was the first Vasto Lorde that ever existed, and thus; told me these (In Turkish Language, I'll try to translate it as much as I can to here);


"Long time ago, there had two male siblings. While the older one was a military commander, the younger one was an alchemist. The older brother, after defeating his enemies, was taking them to his younger brother in requests of healing them. But as the time passes, it turns out that the younger brother used people, a lot of people as a material to his experiments.

In one day, these siblings died all of a sudden, their souls corrupting and taking the shape of a hollow's. The younger brother, seemingly 'excited' by seeing his older brother's rotten corpse, goes on a rampage and eats both the soul of his older brother, and all the souls the older brother brought to there. From that point, he continues to find and eat souls, just before taking the shape of a humanoid being, thus being a Vasto Lorde.

The younger brother's name is Szayelporro. Usually, he is "restricting" his power (in an order to not kill his victim), so he could catch "alive materials" to experiment on. That's why, he accepted Barragan's invitation and became a 'Researcher'.


But, as it turns out; when Aizen came, he became a part of the Espada, In an order to 'investigate' the 'perfection of life', he found a way, to split himself into two successfully, which is known as 'Annunciation'. By doing this, he successfully degraded himself down to an Arrancar. But by doing that, his power vastly weakens, thus leading to his resign from the Espada.

The other part of his body, is basically 'Yylfordt Granz' as we know, his arrancar 'brother' which is fighting besides Grimnjow.

After some time, when Szayelporro managed to finish his 'Resurrecion's secret technique, 'Annunciation' once again, he takes his place in the Espada, as the 8th."

Sorry for my broken English, I tried my best by trying to translate . _.
 
So the backstory is basically the same as what the summary said. But yeah IMade pretty much said we need the actual scans and translations if we want to use stuff from it. And we really need to get our hands on the light novel if we want to fix the scaling for the Post-Timeskip characters. Since we need to know if it's true that Resureccion Cien is comparable to Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra. The summary also said that 30% Base Cien > Yammy so yeah the novel is super important for the scaling. Anyways we are getting off topic so let's drop this for now.
 
@Peter

That's what I'm talking about, she was able to counter an attack meant for Toshiro.

All in all Toshiro's saving grace against Harribel was his Zanpakuto's Abilities, in terms of Physical ability, she dominated.
 
She didn't even counter it she just attack her arm which didn't even faze Harribel. Lisa scaling to Resureccion Harribel in anyway is literally the only thing I disagree with on IMade's list.

And like I said that was a ice clone. Because we see later on that Bankai Toshiro was able to keep up with Resureccion Harribel and react to and counter many of her attacks without any problems. That shows that they are still comparable to some extent.
 
Actually now that I reread the translation it seems like NothingToDebateWith confused Yylfordt with Yammy. Yylfordt was the brother that was split from Szayelaporro not Yammy. Yammy was the new 0 Espada after Szayel decided to make himself weaker.
 
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