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Even more Oryx upgrades

Wokistan

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Oryx needs some powers and resistances. Also High 2-A. Firstly:

  • Pain Manipulation. The Dark-Drinker card talks about his sword, Willbreaker. Check out "And lastly—and this is critical: To be taken in Willbreaker's grasp is to know true bliss; that is, to be simplified; that is, to be reduced to one's most basic level, shedding all higher-order thoughts of fear or duty or selfishness; that is, to feel only pain." Yeah pretty obvious
  • Resistance to Power Mimicry: This is already listed on the file but as a different resist. It's covered under "other vex powers" but can't hurt. This the card. Relevant emphasis: "The closest Quria's got to a simulation of Oryx is a best-guess bootstrap. It's wrong — Quria's sure of that, it's Oryx minus the symbiote organism, minus the wings and morphs, minus the weapon, minus the power. No good for anything." Yeah copying his power ain't go so well
  • Resistance to Sealing: Another thing thats already listed as other resistances and covered by the blanket resistances. Card 1. Card 2. Oryx gets trapped in The Darkness (same way he Takes) by his sisters. Fights his way out. Yeah also pretty clear
  • Upgrade to High 2-A: According to people more knowledgeable than me on this sort of thing (thanks Ultima and Aeyu) the quote currently used to justify his high level of 2-A is actually better suited to being High 2-A. Rather than being infinitely above baseline, it's apparently uncountably infinitely above baseline. According to the Tiering System with this quote "Characters who can destroy and/or create an uncountably infinite numbers of universes may potentially also be assigned this tier, as their geometrical 5-D size can be higher than 0," that works here because the quote refers to the full scope of the Vex might, which Oryx was gonna stomp eventually. Reasons I'm told support this rating are:
    • The precise, incalculably infinite value that represents the Infinite Forest is insignificant to the grand scope of the Vex, a tiny fraction of their whole
    • Vex collective described as far beyond its irrational depths
This shit isn't stuff I personally know as well so questions on this may be slow going as I learn the stuff myself/make ultima answer things, but I can respond to others just fine.
 
I agree with the ability additions. I'm not knowledgeable on the infinity stuff either, so I'm neutral on that for now.
 
o boi

I personally don't think that the 5D stuff makes real sense, because you're jumping dimensions by stacking infinities, but meh
 
Well it's how the tiering system page lists it. I didn't even notice that one myself though so yeah
 
No idea about the dimensional stuff. I think uncountable infinity is when it goes beyond conventional infinity of 1,2,3... and it goes to something like 1.1,1.2... and say infinities are contained within infinities shown in that Vex Function quote. How this ends up to be higher than 0 on a 5D scale? No idea.

Everything else is fine though.
 
Uncountably infinite is when you can't count it, even over an infinite number of seconds, years, etc. The number of numbers between 0 and 1 is uncountably infinite for example, since whenever you start somewhere you can automatically create a smaller starting number, meaning that there is no way to count it. I also don't really get how this ends up being higher-d, but if the tiering page says so then I guess it's legit.
 
Its leg armor

High 2-A flat ass titans
 
well its a quote about the vex, and its put in the lore tab for leg armor for some reason

Imagine if you wanted to buy a shirt but looked at the tab and there was just a ton of irl lore
 
Buys some chips and finds a letter inside, which reads: DiD yUo KnOW tHaT tHe EaRtH Is FOrMeD lIkE a PoTaTo?
 
No I went and took that myself thank you very much
 
Yeah, that's pretty unarguably High 2-A if we take that comparision literally. I agree with that.
 
So how do I explain that on the file

I'll probably add the powers in a few hours because really obvious but the High 2-A I suppose I should give a grace period. Are there other nerdspeople who know that sorta infinity stuff
 
Look guys more support

On the real though we should prob get back to a normalish thread so the stuff can be evaluated.

Laughs in Outer Gods

Anyway besides that, there are barely any Vex Profiles, Atheon will be a great addition.
 
I would love for Atheon to have a profile, but that can come later. Also I completely agree with everything, although I would prefer more insight about the High 2-A stuff from member's that are knowledgeable in that sort of thing. Cause while I know very little about that sort of stuff (the evidence), I'm not 100 percent sure if that's High 2-A. But if it is evidence for High 2-A, than I agree. And if it's not enough evidence for a flat High 2-A, than I think it's possible we could put a "possibly High 2-A" on Oryx's profile.
 
Just as a short math explanation, to qualify for uncountable infinity you need to have as much of something as the amount of Real Numbers that exist. So much that points become a line.
 
Atheon wouldn't be High 2-A. High 2-A is the entire vex collective as one, so it only scales to hypothetical future Oryx, hypothetical future Player Character (thanks Callus), the Vex as a collective (duh) and The Darkness itself.
 
I know Wok, I was referring to Oryx throughout most of my comment, sorry if it wasn't clear.

Edit: Also shouldn't the Traveler scale to High 2-A too if the Darkness does?
 
The Willbreaker description seems close to flowery language to me. But that's about it.
 
Dvorak1902 said:
Just as a short math explanation, to qualify for uncountable infinity you need to have as much of something as the amount of Real Numbers that exist. So much that points become a line.
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Yeah, but the set of Irrational Numbers is uncountable as well, since the Reals can be defined as their union with the set of the Rational Numbers, which is provably countably infinite. If the Irrationals were countable then this union would be of two countable sets, which wouldn't result in an uncountable one.
 
@Pachi that is not by a long shot the only instance of weapons affecting minds or swords affecting things that swords don't usually effect. This is a list of some. It's also not the only pain manip but it was just the most blatant quote so yeah

@Cinos Well neither the Traveller or Darkness will be getting files for a while, but Traveller is even vaguer than The Darkness and that thing about the PC apparently producing their own light complicates scaling too.
 
Wokistan said:
@Cinos Well neither the Traveller or Darkness will be getting files for a while, but Traveller is even vaguer than The Darkness and that thing about the PC apparently producing their own light complicates scaling too.
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Makes sense, we still barely know much about the Darkness, and even less about the Traveler, so Im okay with not having any profiles for both of them. And how much does the PC producing their own light complicate the scaling of the verse?
 
Well The Darkness is solidly High 2-A because it's conclusively a lot stronger than everything it empowers. As for the traveler however...

  • Usually gets steamrolled by Darkness and is constantly on the run
  • Doesn't really act offensively except that one time it erased Cabal Horus
  • Rasputin managed to cripple it (Yeah, terrestrial vs immaterial is different and Rasputin's top tier but still Darkness is straight up infinitely large here)
  • It not being the sole source of Light due to the PC also definining themselves means it doesn't autoscale above, hell Light's even said to have been everywhere
In general it isn't really shown as equivalent to The Darkness and until it was forced to not it kept running away. PC has Sword Logic as well so they aren't even only strong due to Light, and the PC's possible future ranking comes from Callus foreseeing you destroying all the Vex. The PC sorta has a habit of breaking prophecies and Savathun's vandalism is also a thing so that's just an eventually with elaboration and I wouldn't really think scaling people to it is great.
 
Hmm I guess you're right in that the Traveler is most likely weaker than the Darkness, but by an unknown extent, and the fact that it was hurt by Rasputin kinda puts it's power into question as well.

And if what Callus foresees is true, than I don't think anyone would scale to the future PC since they seem to be much more powerful than the current PC and everyone, although the current PC will eventually reach that point. I guess we will have to see what happens in the upcoming event's and Shadowkeep (this is getting interesting).
 
I came here to give a hard agree to the statement being High 2-A, but when going over it again I noticed an issue. I'd like to talk it over with Ultima/others before agreeing/disagreeing with it.

I have no thoughts on the rest of the CRT.
 
After discussion I'd be willing to take "Possibly High 2-A".

They seem to be trying to talk about irrational numbers, by mentioning greater infinities and irrational depths, but all of the examples they bring up are rational numbers - which are only 2-A. The intention is clearly there, but the example/analogy isn't rigorously correct.

Sci-fi authors trying to use math concepts and failing their analogies hard, what else is new?

EDIT: Actually, considering they said "fraction" which would also be countable and not uncountable, the statement becomes a little more dubious. I'd be happy with them just staying 2-A but I'd accept a "Possibly High 2-A" if others think that's needed.
 
Guess I'll get doing the edits, since nobody really opposed the powers and the main math people already weighed in on the math issue. Leave the thread open a little while longer if people wanna contest stuff I suppose
 
wait, he already had pain manipulation. whelp
 
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