Overlord Speed Revision.... Again

NotEvenHuman · May 9, 2016

Oh look, another Overlord speed thread.

So, the Overlord characters currently have their speed rated as High Hypersonic+ (Ainz and Shalltear) and Hypersonic (Brain and the Pleiades). However, there is no justification for these stats, and no feat that puts them on that level. This is the fourth time we have a thread about this btw. On the first thread, it was agreed that the FTL statement was hyperbole.

On the second thread, i pointed out that we had another, much more credible SoL statement and asked if it was legit. The thread didn't really go anywhere, but it was pretty much agreed that the Agility stat in the character charts could be used for scaling. After that, the thread kinda died.

On the third thread, the speed of the cast was questioned, since they didn't have any feats that put them where they are. Alakabamm said that he would search for some feats and do some calcs, but i don't think he actually found anything.

Since this issue has been brought up three times before, i'm making this thread so we can find an accurate, justified speed for the characters. Should we put them at Unknown, at least Supersonic (the only calculated speed feat puts them here), or should we use statements that may or may not be hyperbole?

I personally think that we should analyse each statement individually, and decide if that specific statement is hyperbole or not. If every statement just so happens to be hyperbole and we can't find any quantifiable speed feats, then changing their speeds based on how they scale to Albedo should be fine. For the ones that are much faster than Albedo, putting them at Unknown should be fine.

Thoughts?

Alakabamm · May 9, 2016

Well, I had a lot going on and the thread wasn't bumped so I didn't continue with it.

NotEvenHuman · May 9, 2016

Alakabamm said:
Well, I had a lot going on and the thread wasn't bumped so I didn't continue with it.

Eh, i thought about bumping it, but i figured making a new thread would be easier.

KamiYasha · May 9, 2016

Do't know what to say.

If alaka can't find a quantifiable feat. I'm not sure if can even be rated as Supersonic.

NotEvenHuman · May 9, 2016

KamiYasha said:
Do't know what to say.
If alaka can't find a quantifiable feat. I'm not sure if can even be rated as Supersonic.

Albedo has a feat slightly above Mach 1, so yeah, just barely Supersonic.

That's only if we treat all statements as hyperbole and don't find any quantifiable feats, though.

Alakabamm · May 9, 2016

It's not that I couldn't find a feat, but that I never got around to making a blog. I can go back and look again.

NotEvenHuman · May 10, 2016

Alakabamm said:
It's not that I couldn't find a feat, but that I never got around to making a blog. I can go back and look again.

Oh, i see. I could help with finding feats from the novels, if you want.

Btw, can anyone find the calc that puts Albedo at Mach 1? I'm trying to find it, because i don't remeber if it used the anime or the novels. The anime is not canon, so if the calc was using the anime, it's not really valid.

NotEvenHuman · May 13, 2016

So i just finished reading Vol. 1 again searching for speed feats. As always, there was not a single quantifiable feat and a sh*tload of statements, some of them being obvious hyperboles, some not so much.

I'll probably do Vol. 2 next week. I don't know exactly when, though.

Jucaslucas · May 13, 2016

The link for Albedo's calc is not working, and I can't find it. I have some feats of speed from vol 5 and 6, I'll post here.

NotEvenHuman · May 13, 2016

Jucaslucas said:
The link for Albedo's calc is not working, and I can't find it. I have some feats of speed from vol 5 and 6, I'll post here.

The link is not working because the NF did a complete revision, so old links don't work anymore. I also couldn't find it...

Thanks for the feats in advance. I had the feeling that if i was going to find any feats at all, it would be in Vol. 6.

Jucaslucas · May 13, 2016

Okay, I don't have time now, so I'll do it tomorrow.

Jucaslucas · May 13, 2016

Okay here they are, but I don't think any is really quantificable. It's mostly fte stuff.

Ainz/Momon moving faster than Evileye can see and fighting Demiurge/Jaldabaoth at super speed:

"Momon spread both his hands, and the greatswords which were like an extension of his
arms seemed to shine.
"That... would be inconvenient. Do permit me to put up a bit of resistance."
"Then— here I come."
He stepped— no, that wasn't right. The Momon standing in front of her had vanished. He
was engaged in an intense melee with Jaldabaoth.
It had developed into a struggle that Evileye could not describe with words.
The after-images of countless swords, parried and countered by the extended claws of
Jaldabaoth.
"Incredible..."
There were many ways to render praise, but at this moment, Evileye, who was entranced
by the dazzling swordplay before her, could only offer up that single word. It exceeded the
blows of all the swordsmen in her memory. It seemed as though he would slice through
the night and evil in one blow."

Shalltear sees Brain jumping of a building, uses her time accelerator spell thing, gets on the ground before him, sees him falling in slow motion, notices that Climb is there and runs away without anyone seeing.

"Ah! I completely forget about that strange fellow!
After a quick look around, Shalltear discovered that the man had turned his back to her
and was busy jumping down into an alley. He must have made his move while she was
distracted.
There's no way a mere mortal could escape unscathed from me.
If she used magic to slow down the flow of time, she could catch up to him before he eve
hit the ground. Without hesitation, Shalltear cast her spell.
"ÒÇîTime AcceleratorÒÇì!"
The air felt thick and viscous as Shalltear moved through it at incredible speeds, heading
toward the place the man would land. As she descended, she observed his posture as he
leapt down with glacial slowness. Although she could not harm him directly while the
spell was in effect, she could still set up an ambush and make other preparations.
Just as well. I'll open my arms to receive him as he falls. Surely a human like him will be
overjoyed to be embraced by a beauty like myself.
The corner of Shalltear's mouth quirked up as she thought of the expression that she could
see on his face. As she landed on the ground, just before the spell ended, she sensed
another presence close by.
—What's this?
It was a young man in a suit of pure white plate armor with a roguish-looking companion.
Brain landed in the alley and looked back up, but Shalltear was no longer there."

Yuri moving faster than Evelyie can see:

"Was she immune to immobilization and negative energy?
"You deserve praise for that! What a splendid set of resistances!"
Alpha's answer was to vanish. As though she had performed a short-range teleport, she
materialized in front of Evileye and kicked her in the face.
Her mask cracked with a mekii sound as Evileye was flung far away.
She bounced off the floor with a dang, dang before she managed to recover, groggily
shaking her head."

Sebas punching so fast that someone who trais to see things better can barely see his fist, and he was holding bakc to not make the guy's head blow up:

"The largest among the men made a fist. When comparing him and the old man, the
difference was overwhelming. The girth of their bodies, size of their muscles, the violent
temperament that did not hesitate to spill blood; if he were to strike him, the old ma
would easily be sent flying. The people around them who realized this imagined the
tragedy that was about to befall the old man and let out a small scream.
However, Climb who was in the middle of the crowd felt a small sense of danger.
Without a doubt, the side with the men appeared tougher. But instead, he felt as if it was
the old man who was giving off the atmosphere of absolute strength.
That moment of absent-mindedness cost Climb the chance to stop the man's violence. He
raised his fist and—
—collapsed.
Voices filled with surprise came from Climb's surroundings.
The old man had accurately struck the man's chin. Not only that, he did so with incredible
speed. It was so quick that someone like Climb who trained their dynamic vision could
only barely catch it.
"Will you continue?"
Composure and skill that you could not tell from his outer appearance. Combined, they
had no trouble sobering up the men from their drunken stupor. No, even the onlookers
were becoming ensnared by the old man's energy. The men completely lost their will to
fight."

And this is all I could find, really. There isn't many speed feats in Overlord.

TheMightyRegulator · May 13, 2016

Faster Than eyesight is considered to be subsonic here.

NotEvenHuman · May 13, 2016

There's already a Supersonic feat by a slower character. But i don't remember if the calc used the anime or the novels, and i can't find it.

Jucaslucas · May 13, 2016

It used the novels.

Jucaslucas · May 13, 2016

Found it: http://forums.hero-academia.com/xfa-blog-entry/overlord-volume-1-feats.26473/

NotEvenHuman · May 13, 2016

Ah, thank you.

So Albedo, the second slowest Level 100, has an arguably casual Supersonic feat. Ainz should be faster than her in Warrior mode.

All of the Pleiades are slower than Albedo except Solution, but we don't really know how much one point in Agility amps the character's speed, so scaling them would be hard.

And then we have statements saying that Entoma attacks at lightning speed, a member of the Six Arms attacks with the speed of a comet, etc.

Which one do you guys feel is more accurate?

Jucaslucas · May 13, 2016

Ainz was using Perfect Warrior in those feats above, btw.

Lightning should be hyperbole

Comet speed is likely not true, since it was how the character viewed the speed of the attack, and I doubt he knew how fast a comet actually is.

For the lvl 100, should be at least supersonic.

Yuri has that fte feat, and if it's considered subsonic here, it should scale to the other Pleiades.

Jucaslucas · May 15, 2016

So, what now? At least supersonic for the high tiers, and subsonic for the lower ones?

NotEvenHuman · May 15, 2016

Jucaslucas said:
So, what now? At least supersonic for the high tiers, and subsonic for the lower ones?

I don't know. That's fine by me, though i would wait for Alakabamm and KamiYasha to give their input.

AzathothHP · May 15, 2016

Did you remove the other thread?

NotEvenHuman · May 15, 2016

AzathothHP said:
Did you remove the other thread?

No, all of the three previous threads still exist.

Alakabamm · May 16, 2016

Yes, for right now, you can change the speed tier to supersonic and subsonic while I look at feats

NotEvenHuman · May 16, 2016

I changed Shalltear, Solution and Yuri, but i don't really know what should i put for the rest of the characters, since they're all slower. Is Subsonic fine for them too?

Jucaslucas · May 16, 2016

Ainz should be supersonic too. The other pleiades should be at subsonic, and Brain superhuman, maybe? Since he's below all of them.

Jucaslucas · May 16, 2016

And since the calc comes from Albedo's feat, it would be nice to make a profile for her.

KamiYasha · May 16, 2016

Hard to rate Albedo...

Actually is hard to rate almost every Guardian Floor. I mean: Aside from Shaltear, Ainz and Rubedo the rest could be anywhere between Town to Mountain.

Jucaslucas · May 16, 2016

I'd say Touch-me and Ulbert should be higher than everyone else.

And Rubedo might not even be that strong in dc. She's made from a World Class Item, so she might just have an extremely broken hax ability.

NotEvenHuman · May 16, 2016

Only Ainz's reactions would be Supersonic. His Agility is waaay lower than the rest of the level 100s. Brain should be at Subsonic, if all the Pleiades are too.

We actually can make a page for Albedo.

Some of the Guardians are hard, some are not. Cocytus and Albedo should be pretty easy. Sebas wouldn't be that hard, either.

Rubedo is made from a World Class item? When was that mentioned?

Jucaslucas · May 16, 2016

Brain is some 20 levels below the Pleiades, though.

They said they used a Caloric Stone to make her, which is a World Class item. That's why she's so overpowered. I'll try to find the quote.

NotEvenHuman · May 16, 2016

Jucaslucas said:
Brain is some 20 levels below the Pleiades, though.
They said they used a Caloric Stone to make her, which is a World Class item. That's why she's so overpowered. I'll try to find the quote.

We don't really know Brain's level, though.

Jucaslucas · May 16, 2016

Okay, now I can't remember if it was actually confirmed that she was made from a WCI, or if it's just a fan theory . . .

Jucaslucas · May 16, 2016

NotEvenHuman said:
Jucaslucas said:

Brain is some 20 levels below the Pleiades, though.
They said they used a Caloric Stone to make her, which is a World Class item. That's why she's so overpowered. I'll try to find the quote.

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We don't really know Brain's level, though.

Should be at the 20s. Hamsuke is at the 30s, and he stomped a guy that was said to be on Brain's level.

NotEvenHuman · May 16, 2016

Yeah, he was said to be at Brain's level when Brain fought Gazef at the tournament. Brain went through a sh*tload of training after that, and then i'm pretty sure he trained even more after he met Shalltear.

Jucaslucas · May 16, 2016

True, but he didn't train after Shalltear. He inveted the Nail Cipper though. Anyway, subsonic should be fine, then.

KamiYasha · May 16, 2016

NotEvenHuman said:
i'm pretty sure he trained even more after he met Shalltear.

Yeah. Now he can be shaltear's nail clipper. XD

Jucaslucas · May 16, 2016

That's more than what most can be.

NotEvenHuman · May 16, 2016

KamiYasha said:
NotEvenHuman said:

i'm pretty sure he trained even more after he met Shalltear.

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Yeah. Now he can be shaltear's nail clipper. XD

Progress is still progress, lol.

Jucaslucas · May 16, 2016

Anyway, supersonic for Ainz and Shalltear, and subsonic for the rest, right?

Alakabamm · May 16, 2016

It's only a fan theory that the "golem made with the caloric stone" is Rubedo and whether or not Rubedo is Cherry Blossom Guardian

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