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Part II: Naruto LS statements
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then why is bleach's own feats not outliers? They dont even have statements at least try not to be a hypocrite.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
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We still have the solid feat of Madara blocking the attack from the LS transport that hasn't even really gotten sufficient counter evidence. Most of it has just been a chain of conjecture to try and claim they landed first before attacking which requires a lot more assumptions than just flat out saying they have relativistic reactions, supported by Databook statements and the anime. and again:Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
TataHakai I'm staying neutral on this
However if we had someone dodge a stated lightspeed attack then have someone else relative to them stated to be stated to be near lightspeed then in any other verse that'd probably be accepted without argument.
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Does someone really have to say it again?Leave other franchises out of this.
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@Rocker
Bleach didn't go from MHS to rel. I don't even think there is a MHS calc.
There are several quantifiable calcs placing them from Sub-Rel+ to Rel. and even a pre-time skip rel calc. This is nothing like what we're seeing here which is all statements and nothing to back it up in terms of calcs.
Bleach didn't go from MHS to rel. I don't even think there is a MHS calc.
There are several quantifiable calcs placing them from Sub-Rel+ to Rel. and even a pre-time skip rel calc. This is nothing like what we're seeing here which is all statements and nothing to back it up in terms of calcs.
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Sasuke dodging was accepted. Damn, I can link you the threads and the blog. IMade was debunked, Kep was debunked, Damage was debunked, Xulrev was debunked. They all were against Sasuke dodging but they were debunked. If you bring me an argument for Sasuke not being able to dodge, then it is ok but no, you are just saying it was rejected but you don't even know about.
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I'm aware of the threads I just don't comment, show me where an admin or discussion mod said it's fine? That is how things get accepted in the wiki.
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Sigurd ''does'' have a point.But i'll unfollow this thread for now and just watch.
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It is a go to because people who allow things for one verse wont allow it for another while arguing against what they allow. I say dont be a hypocrite. Youu cant tell me, that MHS+ to relativistic is not fine while it is okay for your verse.Xulrev said:
When you dont even have a calc in the first place.
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@M3X: simply claiming that all arguments were debunked doesn't make it true.
But besides that, this is a not a thread for Sasuke's feat unless you actually want to make it part of the thread for discussion.
Because right now it is not accepted that Sasuke has a Sub-Rel feat of dodging Kirin.
But besides that, this is a not a thread for Sasuke's feat unless you actually want to make it part of the thread for discussion.
Because right now it is not accepted that Sasuke has a Sub-Rel feat of dodging Kirin.
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> Ay is known by his speed
This means nothing, it's not quantifiable. You need hard feats not unsupported statements that lack sense in that period of time.
This means nothing, it's not quantifiable. You need hard feats not unsupported statements that lack sense in that period of time.
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so they dont even have a feat they just having blitzing 3 people so MHS is fine lol, even ******* better, you said blitz chains dont matter but you guys literally scale up 2 speed tiers from 1 single blitzs chain.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
You are right, it is nothing, it is even worse than what we are doing which is using the feats stated in the literal informational of the verse and applying them.
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I wont when hypocrites from other franchises argue like they are being logical.Gogogozoom7 said:
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You need hard feats not unsupported statements that lack sense in that period of time.
I already told you the feats but you seems to ignore. Ay blizted Sasuke who blizted Naruto, wich is faster or at least equal to Shino. As they can keep up with each other. You must be blind or have a bias to deny this
I already told you the feats but you seems to ignore. Ay blizted Sasuke who blizted Naruto, wich is faster or at least equal to Shino. As they can keep up with each other. You must be blind or have a bias to deny this
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Then dont be the one that decides to be illogical because of it.Let's argue within the bounds of this verse,and once again,leave other franchises out of this.
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Smh, we don't scale off of blitz chains. At least know what you're talking about if you want to use the series as an excuse.
High tier have their own calcs and god tiers have their own.
High tier have their own calcs and god tiers have their own.
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We still have the solid feat of Madara blocking the attack from the LS transport that hasn't even really gotten sufficient counter evidence. Most of it has just been a chain of conjecture to try and claim they landed first before attacking which requires a lot more assumptions than just flat out saying they have relativistic reactions, supported by Databook statements and the anime. and again:
TataHakai I'm staying neutral on this
However if we had someone dodge a stated lightspeed attack then have someone else relative to them stated to be stated to be near lightspeed then in any other verse that'd probably be accepted without argument.
TataHakai I'm staying neutral on this
However if we had someone dodge a stated lightspeed attack then have someone else relative to them stated to be stated to be near lightspeed then in any other verse that'd probably be accepted without argument.
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I would not if people that support said franchises are willing to be hypocrites. Trust me telling me again wont help.Gogogozoom7 said:
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> Ay blizted Sasuke who blizted Naruto, wich is faster or at least equal to Shino.
Which version of Naruto is this? What is the connection between him and adult Shino in Boruto?
Which version of Naruto is this? What is the connection between him and adult Shino in Boruto?
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Backwards scaling off a decade timeskip is likely not allowed without sufficient evidence or some sort of statement.
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then where are these damn calcs, ichigo scales from blitzing 3 Lieutenants at once.then scales to grimmjow that sclaes back to himself, such calcs.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
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Oh you're talking about Pre-timeskip, those ratings are shit. This is a known fact, and we've been trying to fix them. Ask the people who let the profiles become like this back in whatever year.
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so where does the mhs somehow get to sub-relavistic then, or you are suddenly fine with that cause it is bleach? heck their last calc before sub-rela hypersonic.
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No. Not all Shippuden characters.M3X said:
But you'd need to specify when exactly characters become faster than that version of Shino and how this is known.
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I want to stop talking about it but with these guys being so hypocritical it is getting on my nerves. Stick to one way of doing things. Dont change it depending on verse.
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Just popping in to address this.Xulrev said:
No, he shouldnt have to make a CRT because he's not having issues with Bleaches speed. He's calling out a double standard when the situation is similar or exactly the same. If another verse gets treated differently for the same stuff, then its a double standard that should be called out.
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@Rocker
There is no MHS calc, this calc they're scales to now is like Rel or something. We don't agree with the backwards scaling back to this period, we're planning to fix that. You could even ask Tata or Damage.
There is no MHS calc, this calc they're scales to now is like Rel or something. We don't agree with the backwards scaling back to this period, we're planning to fix that. You could even ask Tata or Damage.
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exactly.
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we are plannign on fixing that, just let us get the relativistic scaling in first you know, super easy. we dont even have MHS calcs and only one sub relavistic calc, heck the only statement we have is one lightning speed one that scales to everyone but when it comes to Naruto.. nah no can do, it has to scale perfectly or every statement is false or hyperbole.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
dont give me this bs.
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The entire disagreement with the Madara feat seams to stem from mere conjecture that leads down a rabbit hole of more conjecture solely in order to justify Ay catching KaMuuto off guard in order to somehow prove that Ay landed before he attacked...that doesn't work.
We know exactly what's it would have looked like had they arrived from the sky directly to the ground:
There is nothing like that happening in the second picture though. You can clearly see them rushing towards KaMuuto and Madara and not the ground. You need substantial evidence to prove that they did rush directly towards the ground in front of KaMuuto and Madara which hasn't even been shown.
Better yet, this feat ties in perfectly with the Databook statements which would put the characters at around Rel+
My rendition of events is supported by evidence to why they didn't land before attacking (Ay would have used his Lightning Cloak like he does every. Single. Time.), the anime, and Databook statements that put such high tiers around that speed.
Finally, my rendition of events requires much much less assumptions in order to justify than the opposition. Occam's Razor I think it's called.
We know exactly what's it would have looked like had they arrived from the sky directly to the ground:
There is nothing like that happening in the second picture though. You can clearly see them rushing towards KaMuuto and Madara and not the ground. You need substantial evidence to prove that they did rush directly towards the ground in front of KaMuuto and Madara which hasn't even been shown.
Better yet, this feat ties in perfectly with the Databook statements which would put the characters at around Rel+
My rendition of events is supported by evidence to why they didn't land before attacking (Ay would have used his Lightning Cloak like he does every. Single. Time.), the anime, and Databook statements that put such high tiers around that speed.
Finally, my rendition of events requires much much less assumptions in order to justify than the opposition. Occam's Razor I think it's called.
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He really should if he has issues with how speed is treated.ProfessorKukui4Life said:
It's not a proven double standard at all, it's an assertion of one, and it is provably derailing and a pretty poor tactic of defending a point. Simply crying 'but double standards!' without any proof is not how debates ought to occur; deal with the issue at-hand, defend the points at-hand, and then move on to the next issue if any perceived double standards exist. It's simple.
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