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Amane Shinomiya vs Joji Joestar

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Amane is stronger than Kars

But Kars is still not as seemingly powerful as Amane is. Amane literally has a similar thing to beyond (his ability says Godess excessive favour). Couldn't amane trick him into thinking that he's actually the one being protected by the beyond?
 
Why would Amane even know about these things?

If he tries to act stronger, Joji will just believe that this is a powerful foe that he, the main character, must overcome.

He also knows that Beyond can favour people other than himself at the same time (Dio).
 
What would be the exact way to make Joji believe he's not the main character. Also even without directly affecitng him he can still make Joji suffer (by affecting people around him, basically affecting people Joji knows until he like gives up or something).
 
Amane doesn't really have a God. His ability just translates to that he was never shown to have a God. But yeah amane stomps here. Joji cannot harm amane whereas amane will passively give him a hard time and eventually his probability will give him the win. His hax just needs his wish btw, he doesn't need to know what method it will be done through.

Joji has no win cond here.
 
Not really. He can wish for bad luck to happen to Joji and it's pretty normal in verse for that to happen even against other people.
 
Why would Joji's loved ones even exist in real world New York?

And if something does happen to them, he's just gonna get really angry. The plot is constantly moving in his favour, so he'll eventually hit Amane with an 8-A or higher Das Boot missile and one shot.

And you are really really grasping at straws.

Fight straightforwardly, you coward.
 
They do. It was stated that you could actually hit beings of that person's verse if you're capable of doing so. I believe people said even something like you can kill a god of destruction by killing the Kaioshin if you can actually do that.

Hitting amane with an 8-A Das Boot. Meh. His luck is pretty stupid on it's own. And his fate manip will prevent any attack.

I am not. Amane has several win conditions (wishing so that he will suffer is a win condition and something he has done before in character). Whereas Joji will never be able to do anything to Amane.

You know, you don't go at Amane for a straightforward fight, you go at Ikki, Ouma, Stella, Edeleweiss etc
 
For starters, where was this stated? And even if it can, how would Joji know something's happened?

Also, enforcing Murphy's Law through a 2-A, likely High 2-A God's plot protection isn't going to work, even with fate manip. And while Joji's plot manip isn't too drastic like Amane's fate manip, it is still constantly bringing the situation in his favour and would eventually make him win, no longer how long it takes. Since plot > fate.
 
He would. Something would happen that would inform him since just something happening doesn't mean he will suffer. The wish to make him suffer would only be realized if he learns. So anything from a phone call, to a random event. A loved one turning out to be near. Etc

Yeah, but it is mostly defensive and it doesn't just go High 2-A on someone. It just protects him from what people have said. Not to mention that Amane's fate manip is intense, everything will go as he wants, whereas Joji doesn't even know what will happen or if it will happen at all.
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
The God Of Procrastination said:
Joji via explosions and intelligence.
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This is so low effort.
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Low effort doesn't even begin to cut it. It's like going into a medaka match and going like "Bond via guns and skill".

Pretty sure those 2 mentioned things are like the least significant things Joji has in ths fight.
 
Pretty sure Bond seduces Madaka

Anyway, High 2-A fate manip is far beyond anything Rakudai has in-verse. Plus, Joji isn't just going to stand there and have himself not believe that he's the main character. He just bombards the battlefield with missiles until Amane stops moving.
 
His high 2-A plot is not as good from what people have said. He cannot use it offensively and it's just protection for the most part.

His 8-A attacks won't be doing anything to Amane past his probability and fate protection.

At that point Amane can just wish for Joji to suffer.

Also how does the protection work for Joji?
 
Its not fate, its plot. And it protects him from dying mostly and only gently pushes the plot in Joji's favour (Beyond is a fanfiction writer who wants to see the mc struggle to achieve victory. People like Amane are probably beyond distasteful for it but it won't make Joji overpowered via plothax).
 
Firephoenixearl said:
But Kars is still not as seemingly powerful as Amane is.
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You know that's wrong. You were on that thread. Kars stomps in that fight. And your telling me that The Ultimate Lifeform with the stands of almost every main JoJo villain is, at purely face value, looks weaker then some lucky kid?

Main characters suffer all the time. Joji will just think this is something he has to overcome or something like that.
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
Its not fate, its plot. And it protects him from dying mostly and only gently pushes the plot in Joji's favour (Beyond is a fanfiction writer who wants to see the mc struggle to achieve victory. People like Amane are probably beyond distasteful for it but it won't make Joji overpowered via plothax).
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Isn't that too weak? I mean Amane has (literally) absolute wish. So strong that it is impossible to break them, when he brought Ikki "destructon" he kept finding reasons to die (heart problems, blood problems, no matter what the medics did he still came up with some lethal problem). And Joji with "slightly" i supossed to counter him?
 
Fire. Let me tell you something.

Nothing is literally absolute. The only acception to this rule is the fact that nothing is literally absolute.
 
The Smashor said:
Fire. Let me tell you something.
Nothing is literally absolute. The only acception to this rule is the fact that nothing is literally absolute.
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Ya using Einstain's relativity quote on me? You know what i meant.

@Tac

Yes, but that can still be stopped. Amane's wish is far faster, breaking his mind through suffering should kick in much quicker than Joji doing sth. And Joji still cannot end the fight without using Beyond offensively, which he can't. Amane was pierced by an icicle through his skull and was fine a couple of hours later for his match vs Ikki.
 
That's where plot convenience comes in. Beyond isn't going to Just let Joji die, as long as Joji believes he can do it. Plus, Das Boot isn't something Amane can even see, much less affect and interact with.
 
Who said anything about killing Joji? He will make him suffer. Basically if he wishes the worst thing Joji can imagine will happen to him, whether it's learning that a loved one is suffering, his family is dead, something urgent came up and he HAS to leave immediately, he lost his bet and now he's gotta play strip rock paper scissors with a bunch of fat guys etc. Not necessarily death.
 
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