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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Mind Manipulation & Resistance

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These were gathered by Elizhaa, so props to her. Anyways, this is about Yuuki's mind manip getting upgraded.


~ Chapter 112

"Oh well, as I expected. I seemed to have received the 『Thought Guidance』 that was the first stage of brainwashing, I attained some proof.
Thought I had doubts if there was complete mind domination, but this was also inside my prediction.
It's difficult to perform complete mind domination on several people at the same time, this was what I had reasoned.
About Will Domination, is preferable for useful people that had Unique Skill, as it is difficult to dominate them since people with ability usually had a strong Will.
That's why it's necessary to affect them when their ability hasn't reached a mature stage."


~ Chapter 120

"Hinata was concerned about the five children Rimuru mentioned.
Nearing Kagurazaka Yuuki is dangerous but she had her anti-mind control item equipped. And she did not intend to be reckless.
She merely wanted to confirm the situation and rescue the kids if possible.
What relationship stands between Yuuki and Chaos Lord Gazalim is a concern, but she intended to avoid any and all contact with him.
She did not think she would lose, but Shizu-san asked her to avoid him and she intended to keep her promise.
But, Chaos Lord Gazalim.
If he is manipulating Yuuki… she would not allow that to go unpunished.
Having been manipulated for over ten years it isn't something she can forgive.
In her memories Yuuki was a boy with a wide smile.
(I must confirm if that smile was genuine. And save the kids.)
If there's a will there's a way. Thus Hinata decided to act.
She headed out to Ingrasia Kingdom.
The city brainwashed by Yuuki, or perhaps by Gazalim.
Traveling by the magic circle may alert him, should there be spies, so instead she journeyed there on foot."



~ Also, Chapter 128:

"Yuuki has taken over 90% of the Ingrasia Headquarters.
The female Submaster Kagari is also under his direct command.
In addition, High ranking adventurers with abilities on par with Branch heads has also sided with Yuuki.
And thus, with the Organisation currently so, it would prove difficult to denounce Yuuki. However, it would appear that those outside the headquarters are not affected."


~ Chapter 129

"No, let me be clear: how should we conduct this Yuuki subjugation raid.

ÒÇîNow then, we can leave the matter of the alliance at that.
The problem before us, is how we should deal with the Freedom AssociationÒÇì
ÒÇîRight; considering that almost every country has a Freedom Association branch, the question is how far does the Headquarters' influence span?ÒÇì

ÒÇîWith regards to that, allow me to explainÒÇì

Fuse said and began his explanation.
Every country's, big or small, relation to the Freedom Association's headquarters. Though we more or less understood from his previous brief explanation, I decided to have him go into more details.
According to him, there are observers in every guild making communication between Central and the branch easy.
Of course, these observers also make carry out Yuuki's will. As for others potentially controlled, based on personal experiences and lack of any other person working in the branches for Central, there ought to be a few.


The "Curse Crystal," in turn, binds the target on its very soul. I wonder though: could a person thus bound then infect others?

ÒÇîImpossible. I who was similarly controlled can testify to that extent.
His power is by no means omnipotent.
Were it so, all the templars would have long been his servantsÒÇì

Hinata refuted that hypothesis.
Fuse was surprised at the sudden revelation, but said nothing and instead took out some files.

ÒÇîNow then, this is the list of every official who has met with Yuuki.
Please do not forget that, as in my case, direct meetings with Yuuki do not guarantee brainwashingÒÇì

The file mentioned just that.
True: Fuse had met with Yuuki, but was not brainwashed.
Was he ignored because his country is small? No, there's probably some limit to mind control.
Moreover, back then he was struggling to control Hinata, whereas he must now control the mighty Chloe. And he can't even manage that completely.
If so… isn't his power rather pathetic?

Ôë¬Solution. That hypothesis is presumed correct.
Due to expanding his power to control the hero, he most likely lacks ability to dominate another personÔë½

Actually, now that I think about it, Masayuki had this bug on him. A bug so pitiful I unconsciously squashed it.
It got on him before he started his heroic travels. So I'm pretty sure it's no big deal.
Besides, Raphael is never wrong.

ÒÇîAlright, I get it. We can probably not worry about his mind control for now.
As for those who honestly adore Yuuki… we can't dispel that adoration.
And while we can go around cleaning up branch by branch…
How about we just go and take out Central in a single swoop?ÒÇì

Let's put association branches aside for now.
Decide central, and Yuuki while we are at it.
Even if there's a hero, we have Ruminas and I. While I occupy Chloe, she'll murder Yuuki."


~ Chapter 144

ÒÇîYuuki-sama, if allowed, how many people under you control may I borrow?ÒÇì
ÒÇîAh, it's okay. Then, how about you choose at your own discretion from the 100 people?ÒÇì
ÒÇîYes, I would be my pleasure.ÒÇì


~ Chapter 151

"It seems like a control a fration of millions; I believe around 350,000 went to attack the Labyrinth. Raphael roughly counted the total of the empire's soldiers; there seem to be approximately 1 million soldiers.
An outrageous number has come out.
I didn't know how far Yuuki had spread his influence, but it will be difficult for him to keep this number under control, right?"

"I think this is probably because of the big effect from the bait I spread.
If that's so, the enemy army may aim for the labyrinth.
While I thought about the situation, a corps emerges and begins to detour towards a different direction from the direction that the tank corps is advancing to.
Apparently, that corps seems going to invade the border around the Dwarf Kingdom outskirts."
The tank pretends to be the main force, while the real main force was deployed on other place, huh.
Humph! Honestly only such impression comes out."


~ Chapter 156

"Thus, in Monster Country Tempest, 200,000 troops would advance towards the capital, and 350,000 would focus on capturing the Labyrinth."


~ Chapter 129

"The "Curse Crystal," in turn, binds the target on its very soul. I wonder though: could a person thus bound then infect others?"


~ Chapter 144

"Kondou concluded that the reason why Yuuki was able to prepare so many "Otherworlders" was through Summoning.
To summon people using magic was inefficient, though it depended on the individual's ability. But, making the summoned pledge their loyalty was possible if the summoner was capable of etch it on the summoned's soul at the time of summoning.
Summoning was the most suitable way to get loyal subordinates.
In reality, there was no error in First Lieutenant Kondou's anxiety.
It wasn't on all of the members, but surely an order had been given to some of them at the time of summoning.
There might also be a person among them that had a different intent, like the Hero Masayuki, a summoned person that couldn't be controlled completely by the order."


His mind control should be far more than just 5 people.

As for Resistances, anyone with a Unique/Ultimate Skill should have Resistance to Mind Manipulation.

"About Will Domination, is preferable for useful people that had Unique Skill, as it is difficult to dominate them since people with ability usually had a strong Will."

Also, True Dragons should have Resistance to Mind Manipulation (through sheer willpower alone), scaling from Velzard.

"At the very least, it was difficult to imagine that Velzard who had strong willpower equal to or higher than Velgrind has received some kind of mind control."
 
GLHF22 said:
Dude, you can merge this with your previous CRT, you basically make 2 CRT with same topic.
Some found it annoying and devious when the OP is updated day after its being evaluated. I think making the CRT separated is best choice.
 
But he just make this CRT right after he make previous CRT, and previous CRT only have 2 input
 
I agree with the OP. 5 People as the basis of Mindhax Resistance is way too low-balled to me.
 
As will I. Whilst waiting, I'd prefer if the Resistance to Mind Manip thread for all those with Unique Skills & True Dragons got looked at.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
As will I. Whilst waiting, I'd prefer if the Resistance to Mind Manip thread for all those with Unique Skills & True Dragons got looked at.
Thats why i suggest you merge this
 
GLHF22 said:
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
As will I. Whilst waiting, I'd prefer if the Resistance to Mind Manip thread for all those with Unique Skills & True Dragons got looked at.
Thats why i suggest you merge this
It is better a thread have single topic only oyherwise it will take longer to evaluated.
 
Also, In Chapter 144- Yuuki looks to control at least around 100 people from COrp; note, he still control a unknown large number of people in total.

Chapter 144:

ÒÇîYuuki-sama, if allowed, how many people under you control may I borrow?ÒÇì
ÒÇîAh, it's okay. Then, how about you choose at your own discretion from the 100 people?ÒÇì
ÒÇîYes, I would be my pleasure.ÒÇì
 
Also, since Will Domination was tailored to control those with Unique Skills (since they usually have strong minds), I believe Negation should be added.
 
Chapter 151; It seems like a control a fration of millions; I believe around 500000 went to attack the Labyrinth

Raphael roughly counted the total of the empire's soldiers; there seem to be approximately 1 million soldiers.
An outrageous number has come out.
I didn't know how far Yuuki had spread his influence , but it will be difficult for him to keep this number under control, right?


I think this is probably because of the big effect from the bait I spread.
If that's so, the enemy army may aim for the labyrinth.
While I thought about the situation, a corps emerges and begins to detour towards a different direction from the direction that the tank corps is advancing to.
Apparently, that corps seems going to invade the border around the Dwarf Kingdom outskirts.
The tank pretends to be the main force, while the real main force was deployed on other place, huh.
Humph!, honestly only such impression comes out.


Edits around 350,000:

CHapter 156:

Thus, in Monster Country Tempest, 200,000 troops would advance towards the capital, and 350,000 would focus on capturing the Labyrinth.

Note, this is not a Outlier since his Mind Hax is soul based and even Rimuru can abosrb around 700,000 souls in CHapter 155:
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Isn't that mind hax = soul towards people that have Perfect Memory?
I think it was always alluded to be Soul-Based since Yuuki has troublw control a lot of People with Unique Skill which have Soul Manipulation Resistance as most have Otherworlders.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
They're the shape of the mind, but I'm not sure if that makes it the mind. I dunno, we should probably alert CP.
If it is link in the discussion threads; he should know eventually:

Also, the chapters above proved it is soul-based:

Chapter 129

The "Curse Crystal," in turn, binds the target on its very soul. I wonder though: could a person thus bound then infect others?

CHapter 144

Kondou concluded that the reason why Yuuki was able to prepare so many "Otherworlders" was through Summoning.
To summon people using magic was inefficient, though it depended on the individual's ability. But, making the summoned pledge their loyalty was possible if the summoner was capable of etch it on the summoned's soul at the time of summoning.
Summoning was the most suitable way to get loyal subordinates.
In reality, there was no error in First Lieutenant Kondou's anxiety.
It wasn't on all of the members, but surely an order had been given to some of them at the time of summoning.
There might also be a person among them that had a different intent, like the Hero Masayuki, a summoned person that couldn't be controlled completely by the order.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Alright, it's soul based. He can control the mind and the soul. Slime getting stronger and stronger by the minute.
Indeed!
 
Am i forgetting something or didn't Yuuki's ability need to touch the person to control ppl, which if is the case means he controlled that many ppl one by one and not all at once?

At the very least he took control of Ingrasia Headquarters, over a period of 10 years and not all at once from what i remember, since the whole time he was basically plotting behind the scenes and increasing his control.

Edit: Even when he gained an ultimate skill he had to touch ppl for it to work on them, ie "

Yuuki's hand made contact with Emperor Rudra.

And then, all went white.

Ordinarily, actually stealing an Ultimate Skill from its owner was impossible.

For that Skill would be born from oneself, deep from one's soul, and would be etched into their Nucleic Heart.

The Ultimate Skill was truly personal, as opposed to Normal Skills beat into the body, or Unique Skills engraved into the outer crust of the soul.

However, Rudra's 『Justice King Michael』 wasn't etched into the Heart, rather, only buried into his soul, and was only under control through the strength of his will.

And now, after activating "Armageddon", his (spirit) Energy had been vastly depleted, and using the Steal Skill ability from Yuuki's Ultimate Skill 『Greed King Mammon』 , it was possible to plunder the skill."

Ie "ÒÇîOverwriteÒÇì

Yuuki's hands touched Black Knight Claude's shoulder.
Despite being caught off guard for an instant, Claude took evasive measures. Thanks to that, he didn't fall like the Red Knight.
No, something was off, and when Leon noticed,

ÒÇîYuuki-sama, my name is Claude. What are your orders!ÒÇì

The Black Knight Sir Claude, kneeled towards Yuuki.
The worst development had come about.
What Yuuki can deprive was not limited to someone's life.
Their life, ability, and even their mind.
No matter how deeply their loyalty is embedded onto their soul, by re-writing the information in their soul, it's possible to instill loyalty onto himself.
Such is the ability of Yuuki's ultimate skill "Avarice King Mammon"."
 
Yuuki could already control people without with Ultimate Skills and his mind control occurs without it.

He only gained Avarice King Mammon during fighting Leon.
 
When has he controlled someone without touching them? I just wanna confirm cause if even his ultimate skill requires his hands it cast doubt on his unique skill being able to do it without.

We also need to know whether all the control happened at once or over time, if it's one by one it's not impressive as i said before, if we don't have anything direct that implies it happened at once, we can't assume he did so.
 
Celestial Pegasus, Yuuki can still control many people at once even he need to touch them one by one. The point about his control weakning if he control way too many people support this point. I think we only scaled we scaled the potency of mind hax to how many people to control in total not how chracters did it.
 
I know, the point was that it's unclear how he went about it, though Elizhaa brought up a good point that regardless how he went about it, doesn't change the fact that he has a lot of ppl under his control.

So this revision is fine.
 
Alright. This would also mean resistance to mind manip would be changed from a scale of 5, to a million people, possibly higher, and would scale to everyone with a unique/ultimate skill.
 
It would scaled to least Hundreds of thousands or up to millions like you @Milly Rocking Bandit said for Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation Resistance, in my opinion. ultimate skill users should scale and unique skills should scale as well to a lesser degree.
 
Only scales to ppl with ultimate skills, and Rimuru's subordinates since they all have an item which prevents mind control.

"ÒÇîOn that note, I think it would be best to use this magic item that prevents mind control. We're also all using it. And, do not disclose this to anyone you don't trust and that has nothing to do with Yuuki.ÒÇì ÒÇîUnderstood… That's only to be expected. I'll try to look for people who can dispel brainwashing and mind control skills.ÒÇì"

Shouldn't scale to all unique skill users, being a unique skill user didn't prevent Yuuki from controlling Hinata.
 
Why not Unique? Will domination was specifically made to control Unique Skill users, who were stated to have a strong mind.

Plus, Unique Skills are literally stated to be the shape of the mind.
 
The shape of the mind explanation is a LN only thing.

And what's said is "Oh well, as I expected. I seemed to have received the 『Thought Guidance』 that was the first stage of brainwashing, I attained some proof. Thought I had doubts if there was complete mind domination, but this was also inside my prediction. It's difficult to perform complete mind domination on several people at the same time, this was what I had reasoned. About Will Domination, is preferable for useful people that had Unique Skill, as it is difficult to dominate them since people with ability usually had a strong Will. That's why it's necessary to affect them when their ability hasn't reached a mature stage."

From what i can gather Yuuki can't completely control ppl like Rimuru and Hinata, but he can guide their thoughts, so like indirectly controlling them instead of directly, so they scale to an extent maybe? But they are still being control just not directly so idk.
 
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