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Crossovers Rule Minor Revision

Elizhaa

Elizhaa

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Regarding this Crossovers rule:

Profiles for crossover versions of characters from crossover games, and plot-irrelevant guest characters should NOT be allowed.

  • Examples: Mario (Smash Bros.), Thor (Marvel vs. Capcom), Jason Voorhees (Mortal Kombat), and Noctis (Tekken 7) As an extension of above, UNLESS their crossover version is basically defined by the crossover.
I disagree. Mario (Smash Bros.) and Thor (Marvel vs. Capcom) are part of the main story for these verses and would be in:

  • Profiles for characters that appear in the main story of crossover games stories should be allowed.
    • The characters tiers and power would only scaled from the main story of crossover not their original feats from their verse.
This would be a new rule. Besides, crossovers game can have their own cannon so from the Editing Rules below it should be fine:

  • The VS Battles Wiki is, first and foremost, a fictional character indexing site. All featured characters in our profiles should originate within actual stories, from notable or popular works. A story includes a plot, a fictional setting, and having a defined canon. At the very least, the setting should be entirely fictional in nature, with no true bearing over the real world.
So, cases from crossovers profile from Crossovers story verses like Smash Bros would be allowed assuming the guidelines are follows.

Edit fixed:
 
"Profiles for characters that appear in the main story of non-crossover games should be allowed."

This rule only relates to non-crossover games specfically. Which Mario and Thor plainly are from.
 
Off, my mistake, wrong informations it is fixed:

Profiles for characters that appear in the main story of crossover games stories should be allowed.

I think this is additions is fair and we already have characters like Kirby (Smash Bros.) in the wiki.
 
Kirby was debating getting removed, and was around before because he had a feat people scaled to.
 
I think if the crossovers story have it own defined Cano then it profiles should be fine based on our rule.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
? ALL crossovers are their own canon. It's why we don't scale them to the original feats.
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I am fine with this standard. I just don't think it okay that the crossovers profiles are being rejected despite the fact they still appear in the crossovers canno stories. - The story that includes a plot, a fictional setting, and having a defined canon.
 
SomebodyData said:
So.... you're trying to legitmize all crossover characters?
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Only those crosovers characters that appear in the crossovers canon stories.

We already have case like Wolverine (Ultimate Alliance) available on the wiki. I also believe cases like crossovers characters from Smash would scale since there are cannon to their crossovers stories.
 
Nedge all the crossovers have story modes. That would be to legitimize all the crossover characters.
 
Wokistan said:
Nedge all the crossovers have story modes. That would be to legitimize all the crossover characters.
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I don't believe all of them do have story modes; there might be some obsure case that I don't known. Neverlethess, legitimizing the profiles with proper reasons is fine by me
 
Well 99% do, at the very least.

Elizhaa, you might wanna make a new thread, because this isn't a minor revision anymore.
 
We already sorta had 3 threads on this though.
 
SomebodyData said:
Oh. Then nevermind.
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It still can place in the highlighted though; I think it would for a better evaluation.
 
I don't think we need another thread about this

Most people in the past few threads already agreed with Sera that the current rule is fine and being part of the main story of a crossover shouldn't get you a profile
 
Being part of the story of a crossover game is irrelevant. Of course the characters of the game will be part of the story.

Only guest characters need to be part of the story of the game they are making an appearance in to be considered canon to that game.

I've said this about ten times already. What's so difficult about this?
 
Sera EX said:
Being part of the story of a crossover game is irrelevant. Of course the characters of the game will be part of the story.
Only guest characters need to be part of the story of the game they are making an appearance in to be considered canon to that game.

I've said this about ten times already. What's so difficult about this?
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I believe the guest characters' cases is applicable to verse like Smash Bros, Sera EX. I believe my case is based on the guest characters being part of the story of the game they are making an appearance in that would make them canon to that game.
 
"Being part of the story of a crossover game is irrelevant. Of course the characters of the game will be part of the story. "

Sera differentiates a "crossover game" and "Game with crossover characters". SMT with dante wasn't some big old crossover game like smash is. It was an SMT game that featured dante. She's saying that his appearance in the mainline game is fine, but not stuff like smash or the anime fighting games.
 
It's not, guest appearance =/= crossover

I already explained the difference before.

It's just as Wokistan said.
 
The Editing Rules said these:

  • The VS Battles Wiki is, first and foremost, a fictional character indexing site. All featured characters in our profiles should originate within actual stories, from notable or popular works. A story includes a plot, a fictional setting, and having a defined cano. At the very least, the setting should be entirely fictional in nature, with no true bearing over the real world.
By our standard, the profiles would be valid.

Also, from Crossovers, the only major rule from my proposal is that using these crossovers to scale to canon or canon feats to scale to non-canon original characters is forbidden which I am fine. Banning profiles that follow out rules looks to me like contradicting our rules.

  • Non-canon crossovers do not officially take place within any of the involved continuities. Examples may include Marvel Vs Capcom, Mortal Kombat Vs DC Universe, or the Dragon Ball/One Piece/Toriko special episode. Given the multiple inconsistencies and lack of canonicity to their original source materials, using these crossovers to scale to canon or canon feats to scale to non-canon original characters is forbidde. Exceptions are that original characters may scale to their own feats or feats seen in the crossover. For example, Dark Kahn has a legitimate 2-C feat, but it does not scale to anyone but him.
 
To repost what I said on the last thread:

Being part of the story is not relevant for a crossover game.

In crossover games like Smash, of course the characters will be part of the story, why wouldn't they be? That's not the same thing.

Being part of the story is only relevant for guest characters. Guest appearance =/= Crossover. Guest Appearance = One-Sided Canon crossover but the guest appearance is only considered canon if it's part of the game's continuity.

You can't call Soul Calibur VI a crossover between Soul Calibur and The Witcher because only Geralt makes an appearance and crosses over to the Soul Calibur universe. He is part of the game's story and it's lore though unlike the dlc 2B who just had a tiny scenario written for her as fanservice. She doesn't even have her own story episode. Geralt does.

You can't call SMT 3 Nocturne a crossover between MegaTen and DMC, only Dante makes an appearance and he makes an appearance directly into the MegaTen universe. The universes haven't crossed. Dante however is literally part of the game's continuity, but this is freaking MegaTen we're talking about here. While Raidou's transuniversal shenanigans replaced Dante with him in the alt. MegaTen timeline, that's the timeline that eventually spawns If and Persona, Dante is still part of the MegaTen continuity, just the mainline continuity.

You can't call Tekken 7 a crossover between Tekken and Street Fighter. Only Akuma makes an appearance and he's directly tied to the game's lore unlike Geese Howard who was just DLC and had a small scenario about wanting to test the Mishima family himself. SF x Tekken literally is a crossover but it's canonicity is up for debate since Ingrid created the Pandora's Box present in the game.

You can't call Doa5 Last Round a crossover between DOA and Virtua Fighter because only a handful of VF characters appear. They appear in the story too and are part of the game's continuity. Also it is very possible those two franchises take place in the same universe anyway. They're extremely similar.

Smash Bros is literally a crossover between the many Nintendo franchises, it is not like those listed above.
 
Wasn't the purpose of those other 3 threads to write a rule addressing this? Arguing to the letter of the standard isn't always the best position to take given it's history of being challenged on this issue.
 
I'm only reiterating what's already the standard. This only became an issue because some people believed BBxTB qualifies, although I've been told by many others that it does not.
 
I'm inclined to agree with Sera
 
I also think that Sera seems to make sense. We should probably leave our rules alone in this case. My apologies Elizhaa.
 
Sera EX said:
To repost what I said on the last thread:
Being part of the story is not relevant for a crossover game.

In crossover games like Smash, of course the characters will be part of the story, why wouldn't they be? That's not the same thing.

Being part of the story is only relevant for guest characters. Guest appearance =/= Crossover. Guest Appearance = One-Sided Canon crossover but the guest appearance is only considered canon if it's part of the game's continuity.

Smash Bros is literally a crossover between the many Nintendo franchises, it is not like those listed above.
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My mistake, I incorrectly used crossover versions of characters and guest characters in my point. My point is only for the crossover versions of characters in crossovers stories.

I will be honest why shouldn't the story of crossover game matter for the crossovers profiles creation when the rules say the story is important for the profile creation?

  • The VS Battles Wiki is, first and foremost, a fictional character indexing site. All featured characters in our profiles should originate within actual stories, from notable or popular works. A story includes a plot, a fictional setting, and having a defined cano. At the very least, the setting should be entirely fictional in nature, with no true bearing over the real world.
I am okay if the crossovers profiles scale to their own crossovers feat like this profiles: Wolverine (Marvel Comics).

My case is not for profiles scaling like BBxTB Crossovers as it scaling would rejected since using these crossovers to scale to canon or canon feats to scale to non-canon original characters is forbidden which I am fine. Banning crossovers profiles when they follow look contradicting our Editing Rules.

  • Non-canon crossovers do not officially take place within any of the involved continuities. Examples may include Marvel Vs Capcom, Mortal Kombat Vs DC Universe, or the Dragon Ball/One Piece/Toriko special episode. Given the multiple inconsistencies and lack of canonicity to their original source materials, using these crossovers to scale to canon or canon feats to scale to non-canon original characters is forbidde. Exceptions are that original characters may scale to their own feats or feats seen in the crossover. For example, Dark Kahn has a legitimate 2-C feat, but it does not scale to anyone but him.
If the story of crossovers games don't matter or my premise is wrong, I believe it should be stated on the same Editing Rules and profiles like Wolverine (Ultimate Alliance) should be deled as well.
 
I think that this suggestion was rejected by the rest of the staff.
 
I suppose that it might be necessary, yes, but let's wait for more input first.
 
I am willing to wait for others' inputs, @Antvasima. If my new proposal is accepted, then I will make the change myself to finish this CRT quickly.
 
I guess its okay to remove them? I think we had a reason to keep those profiles however.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Giga Bowser should stay. It's a Smash Bros-unique form.
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I saw Giga Browser is differentiated from Browser in Ultimate so you are likely right. So, it is off the deletion topic.
 
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