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Galactus should be high 1B

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There is too much evidence for both being high 1-B. Lifebringer scales to above the Living Tribunal, the same tribunal stated to be above the rouge beyonders who killed the previous Tribunal. Lifebringer, via revamped origin when talking to Ego, should scale to Multi-Eternity at least. We know that the purple galactus rendition we see is the incomplete galactus, based on author tweets which I have, and that he is scalable to Multi-Eternity and TLT. Why are they both 1-B/high 1-B but Lifebringer who scales above both set to 2-A/at least 2-A? The Nullifier also has reset mutli-eternity on multiple occasions even by someone as weak as Richards. This isn't even Galactus using it, but just Richards. We know the Nullifier scales off of how powerful the mind of the user is so to speak, (I could be wrong). But nevertheless we know lifebringer should be high 1-B via scaling and direct feats.
 
WHYNAUT said:
Well revisions for Marvel and DC generally take a while.
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Everybody knows that. What's frustrating some people is that the Galactus upgrade is taking longer than most Marvel and DC upgrades, even though there's a lot of solid evidence for it.
 
People have done so, he is seemingly busy. Would it be better for us to contact other knowledgeable members?
 
@Antvasima Do we further input from staff to apply said changes? I assume this is a relatively uncontroversial change in terms of polarity
 
It is probably best if we handle all of the Marvel cosmic entities upgrades in the cosmic cubes & Phoenix Force thread.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
I'm sorry but I don't think Galactus should be High 1-B. It's simply an outlier for him.
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He is consistently that level throughout, and the nullifier has destroyed multi eternity on multiple occasians. We went over this in my last thread and you didn't object.
 
Lifebringer is a complete transformation and the time it was shown, it scaled above the 1A tribunal. You just don't like galactus. Admit it.
 
Being all accusatory isn't exactly the greatest way to get him to agree to your point

I do remember some scans indicating that LBG was able to view the full thing of multi-eternity that I can see if I can drag up. Not super knowledgeable though
 
Lifebringer is yeah, he's stated to be on Eternity's level like three times and fought beings on Eternity's level

Regular Galactus should not be High 1-B though
 
In any case if the issue was that he wasn't able to destroy a planet as LBG I think harping on that as a debunk misses the point. He couldn't do that because his role had changed. He was no longer The Devourer, he was instead The Lifebringer, so he could not devour while maintaining the latter function. It's like how Lex Luthor (Post-Crisis) once lost apparently enough power to let Death of the Endless take a break because he couldn't kill superman.
 
.... I agree with LB Galactus being High 1-B... And honestly I'm surprised he isn't.

But ... Can someone please debate with me about the Universal Absstracts being that high end ? I don't like begging, and I really don't want to be a bother, especially when doing so will likely delay stuff... But I've been gathering this information for a long time and would like for it to be evaluated properly... Plus the Marvel Knowledgable Members Ant and Matt asked me a long time ago to gather the evidence so I can argue it... So...

I promise to just go with the flow if someone just debates it with me... Just... Please give me the chance to actually debate it. If I am horribly wrong after I portray all the appropriate evidence, I would like to be given a discussion rule about Me never mentioning this again... And then a ban if I don't go through with it. So I won't. I just want to show it... It will help me more than you'll ever know to be given this chance.

And no it wouldn't affect Regular Galactus. It would only affect the one key of Galactus prior to the At least 2-A Key, or Well-Fed.
 
Well, on the one hand, the Lifebringer Galactus was supposed to contain the consciousness and possibly power of the 6th multiverse. On the other, the spirit of that multiverse later showed up to help defeat the First Firmament, which contradicts this, and Lifebringer Galactus had problems handling Celestial-level entities (the FF's creations, the Aspirants) as usual.

The scaling of that entire story was also extremely unreliable and all over the place, with Chaos & Order defeating the new Living Tribunal, after which they metamorphosised into the more powerful Logos, who was defeated by the Tiger God, who was defeated by the Black Panther.

In addition, if I remember correctly, in a Silver Surfer story the Lifebringer Galactus had to use all of his power to send two pieces of a device that threatened a single universe to opposite parts of it, so I do not think that he was intended to be anywhere near a High 1-B scale.

As such, it may be best to simply remove Galactus' Lifebringer statistics, along with our Logos profile, as they are too hard to scale properly.

I also definitely do not appreciate accusations directed against Matthew simply because he states that High 1-B seems too contradicted.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, on the one hand, the Lifebringer Galactus was supposed to contain the consciousness and possibly power of the 6th multiverse. On the other, the spirit of that multiverse later showed up to help defeat the First Firmament, which contradicts this, and Lifebringer Galactus had problems handling Celestial-level entities (the FF's creations, the Aspirants) as usual.

The scaling of that entire story was also extremely unreliable and all over the place, with Chaos & Order defeating the new Living Tribunal, after which they metamorphosised into the more powerful Logos, who was defeated by the Tiger God, who was defeated by the Black Panther.

In addition, if I remember correctly, in a Silver Surfer story the Lifebringer Galactus had to use all of his power to send two pieces of a device that threatened a single universe to opposite parts of it, so I do not think that he was intended to be anywhere near a High 1-B scale.

As such, it may be best to simply remove Galactus' Lifebringer statistics, along with our Logos profile, as they are too hard to scale properly.

I also definitely do not appreciate accusations directed against Matthew simply because he states that High 1-B seems too contradicted.
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The FF creations were strong enough to severely damage the current Multi-Eternity. If you read the comic, he says he sent it all that was and all that will be, which points to all possible time lines, ie, the multiverse. The author directly states he has the power of multi eternity as it stands. I think it would be best if the powers that be didnt shout outlier every single time something new comes along. In one of the latest FF comics, he effortlessly, with the SS, drives off omnipotentis. They are what he is to worlds as to universes. Omnipotentis is an avatar of Oblivion.
 
Do i need to post scans of devourer galactus taking hits from amped Chaos King? The same being who consumed almost all of Multi eternity and defeated True Form Infinity without his amp?
 
I feel that using lowballs to counter Lifebringer Galactus being that high isn't wise. In fact considering that. Especially considering the explicit statements of him rivaling Multi-Eternity . If you assume the Negative Zone / Crossroads being Tier 1 it technically has 3 feats on that level.

As for The Celestials in tha Ultimates + onward comics were the creators of the Multiverse, and someone comparable to them (FR) was shown manipulating it along with MM in the same sets of issues ( stated MM Recreated Eternity, Franklin manipulating the superstructure of the Multiverse , and he was the one shaping everything in the multiverse so he was involved witb recreating the Multiverse of the Ultimates , and someone threatening MM called FR a threat when he shouldn't have been implies those of Celestial level got retconned to far higher levels as of Ultimates... So Celestial Level entities now [Ultimates + Beyond ] = Multi-Abstracts) ... I think we just have to assume a retcon of the celestials powers from Ultimates onward was intended... And we need to deal with that appropriately.
 
Well, Galactus was beaten up by Zeus in the Chaos War story, and the Chaos King was damaged by Thor, so the scaling was all over the place there as well.

The Ultimate Nullifier did repair multi-Eternity by sealing Abraxas though, that is true.

Can somebody link to scans or interviews with statements of the Lifebringer being equal to Multi-Eternity, and the story with Omnipotentis at Read Comic Online?
 
..Are you talking to me or Kappa ? If me I did show you a while ago that he embodied the Wellspring that empowers the Boundless Multiverse in a previous LB Galactus upgrade attempt.

I still believe we should reevaluate the Celestial Level entities as of Ultimates + Beyond.
 
I am talking to both of you.

I have too many tasks to remember everything. Feel free to link to the evidence here.
 
Antvasima said:
I am talking to both of you.

I have too many tasks to remember everything. Feel free to link to the evidence here.
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You were in my last thread, closed it recently, and neither of you objected.
 
I handle over a 100 different tasks every day. I cannot remember all of the images that people link to. It is better if you link to the requested evidence here.
 
I agree with High 1-B Lifebringer. It may not be possible to properly scale him in comparison to other abstracts due to the cosmic hierarchy being undone at the time, but he was still portrayed on the highest level of existence alongside the Multiversal Abstracts. The Aspirants and Celestials (in that storyline at least) were also portrayed on that highest level, so I don't really consider fighting them an antifeat for Galactus. I would also consider his odd teleportation antifeat to be an extremely egregious example of plot-induced stupidity.

To be clear, I am not saying the Aspirants and Celestials should be High 1-B.
 
Okay. POTM usually has a good sense of judgement, and seems to make sense here. I don't think that we should upgrade regular Galactus though, as that would create a scaling nightmare, and we preferably need further staff input first.
 
It seems like Lifebringer Galactus held off Omnipotentis for a limited time, but was stated to be weaker, and the latter entity was simply presented as an eater of universes, so it is not much of a feat.

https://***************.to/Comic/Moon-Girl-And-Devil-Dinosaur/Issue-30
 
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It seems like Lifebringer Galactus held off Omnipotentis for a limited time, but was stated to be weaker, and the latter entity was simply presented as an eater of universes, so it is not much of a feat.

https://***************.to/Comic/Moon-Girl-And-Devil-Dinosaur/Issue-30
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He was only able to react. As he had no place act, and was umable to do anymore as per TLT. He is still under TLT law manip. Galactus is eater of worlds and is multiversal. Omnipotentis is an abstract that consumes eternity, as oblivion consumes multi-eternity.
 
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