Galactus needs to be high 1-B

Kappatalism · May 21, 2018

There is too much evidence for both being high 1-B. Lifebringer scales to above the Living Tribunal, the same tribunal stated to be above the rouge beyonders who killed the previous Tribunal. Lifebringer, via revamped origin when talking to Ego, should scale to Multi-Eternity at least. We know that the purple galactus rendition we see is the incomplete galactus, based on author tweets which I have, and that he is scalable to Multi-Eternity and TLT. Why are they both 1-B/high 1-B but Lifebringer who scales above both set to 2-A/at least 2-A? The Nullifier also has reset mutli-eternity on multiple occasions even by someone as weak as Richards. This isn't even Galactus using it, but just Richards. We know the Nullifier scales off of how powerful the mind of the user is so to speak, (I could be wrong). But nevertheless we know lifebringer should be high 1-B via scaling and direct feats.

Kappatalism · May 21, 2018

Kappatalism · May 21, 2018

Kappatalism · May 21, 2018

And no, these aren't M-bodies

Assaltwaffle · May 21, 2018

Probably best to bring in a Knowledgeable Member of Marvel Comics to look at these.

Matthew_Schroeder · May 21, 2018

Well, Law and Chaos were amped by The First Firmament, and after LT died the Cosmic Hierarchy ceased to exist.

Kappatalism · May 21, 2018

Matthew Schroeder said:
Well, Law and Chaos were amped by The First Firmament, and after LT died the Cosmic Hierarchy ceased to exist.

I agree

Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan · May 21, 2018

Thing is, Marvel scaling is nearly impossible. If we're going to powerscale for everything literally everyone in the verse would be High 1-B. So-called "direct feats" are also often PIS and outliers.

I'll take a look at your points though.

Kappatalism · May 21, 2018

I wanted to clarify I wanted to bring up two different points in one comment to save space. I believe they, being different pieces of the same puzzle, should be both high 1-B.

The_real_cal_howard · May 21, 2018

Initially, I thought Lifebringer Galactus should've been High 1-B, but then I found out that Orded and Chaos were buffed by The First Firmament, and even then, the death of The Living Tribunal erased the hierarchy.

LuckyCharmingStar · May 21, 2018

Well Lifebringer was supposed to get an upgrade matthew and ant agreed on it in this thread

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1620783

Webcamparrot · May 21, 2018

If this was already agreed to before can the upgrades be put in place now?

LuckyCharmingStar · May 21, 2018

Well it seems the staff are busy with stuff they even said they were going to upgrade most marvel characters too.

The_real_cal_howard · May 21, 2018

Well...I'm obviously out of the loop on this lol.

Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou) · May 21, 2018

The point about the Ultimate Nullifier remains unaddressed. If it erases someone on all levels of reality and has even erased Multi-Eternity on three different occasions, why isn't it High 1-B?

Antvasima · May 21, 2018

I think that Matthew is planning to eventually upgrade Lifebringer Galactus and the Ultimate Nullifier to High 1-B.

That said, the scaling of that Ultimates storyarc was very weird. Taken literally, we would end up with Black Panther > Tiger God > Logos > Galactus > Chaos & Order > The Living Tribunal.

Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou) · May 21, 2018

Is it PIS that Black Panther is that strong, or is there an explainable form, amp, et cetera that he got?

Antvasima · May 21, 2018

No, he just defeated the Tiger God, and used it to defeat Logos.

Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou) · May 21, 2018

No to it being PIS, or no to it being explainable?

Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou) · May 21, 2018

If the Ultimate Nullifier is becoming High 1-B, is the Infinity Gauntlet going to be as well?

Antvasima · May 21, 2018

It is obviously PIS, but my point is that much of the storyline seems unreliable.

Antvasima · May 21, 2018

I suppose that the Gauntlet will have to be updated as well, if the Nullifier is, but it does seem strange with a High 1-B set of Infinity Gems in every single universe.

Wokistan · May 21, 2018

To be fair, having a 2A set of gems in every universe is already weird, and this reconciles an IG holding back god doom for a bit.

Ryukama · May 21, 2018

Wokistan said:
To be fair, having a 2A set of gems in every universe is already weird, and this reconciles an IG holding back god doom for a bit.

^ This

Also "this seems weird to me" isn't an actual argument.

Matthew_Schroeder · May 21, 2018

I think people are getting waaaay ahead of themselves in this thread.

Heatforce · May 21, 2018

Not caught up in marvel stories so I need to ask: what makes the IG anything above 3A+? I thought the IG is relegated to only working in the universe it was created from or was there a retcon?

Antvasima · May 21, 2018

Yes, let's wait until Matthew gets the time to evaluate proper ratings for them.

Kappatalism · May 21, 2018

Wokistan said:
To be fair, having a 2A set of gems in every universe is already weird, and this reconciles an IG holding back god doom for a bit.

because M-bodies aren't a thing right?

Kappatalism · May 21, 2018

Antvasima said:
I suppose that the Gauntlet will have to be updated as well, if the Nullifier is, but it does seem strange with a High 1-B set of Infinity Gems in every single universe.

The gauntlet reality warped the nullifier, it didn't bounce it...

The reality gem was used to warp the nullifier going off in his hand.

Sandman31 · May 21, 2018

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/10/102593/2820440-quasar_40_04.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/10/102593/2820443-infinty_wars_05_30.jpg

Lightbuster30 · May 21, 2018

So what power does Lord Chaos have? He tried to turn Galactus into pure chaos. Conceptual Transmutation?

Kappatalism · May 21, 2018

Lightbuster30 said:
So what power does Lord Chaos have? He tried to turn Galactus into pure chaos. Conceptual Transmutation?

He is a high 1-B character along with Order and the In-Betweener. The In-Betweener is rated at 1-B, and Galactus has slapped before, so...

Lightbuster30 · May 21, 2018

He is a high 1-B character along with Order and the In-Betweener. The In-Betweener is rated at 1-B, and Galactus has slapped before, so...

Yeah, but I mean what power would turning someone into a concept be?

Sandman31 · May 21, 2018

Did he said that he's turning Galactus into a concept or did he just said that he is turning him into "pure chaos"?

Lightbuster30 · May 21, 2018

Sandman31 said:
Did he said that he's turning Galactus into a concept or did he just said that he is turning him into "pure chaos"?

"I will make you of an incoherent mass! A tangle of unrelated notions! I will make you Chaos itself!" Exact words from Lord Chaos. Infact that very quote has it's image posted right here in this thread.

Sandman31 · May 21, 2018

Then it's concept manip

Lightbuster30 · May 21, 2018

Sandman31 said:
Then it's concept manip

Pretty damn cool CM. I actually had a fanmade Chaos based character who could do that exact same thing as one of his powers.

Antvasima · May 22, 2018

That seemed to be the universal version of the In-Betweener that Galactus stalemated though.

Malikobama1 · May 22, 2018

Nevermind the breakdown of the cosmic hierarchy, shouldn't Galactus be upgraded just by virtue of being able to enter and exist in the Superflow under his own power? Other characters in the story needed help to get in, but Galactus can just enter, chill, and fight there casually. The hierarchy among them was broken, but Order and Chaos, LT and Eternity, were still multiversal abstracts in an infinite-dimensional multiverse after all.

Antvasima · May 22, 2018

By that reasoning we would likely have a High 1-B spacecraft that brought the Ultimates there. Also, didn't Galactus mention that he couldn't survive there for long?

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