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Dragon Ball Canon

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Canon is a weird thing in dragon ball cause in Marvel you have a 616 and in transformers has a multiverse so on so forth. Dragon Ball has a continuity called the manga which is the main canon as we don't have a canon mess in that medium unless put everything into it like super is where contradictions begin.

Filler is obvious canon to super as alot of it is shown in the anime and bardock's crew is also as toyotaro a writer on manga said so and saying otherwise goes against author intent. GT is no different from Super in anyway such as them being a movie original in super's case and anime only in gt and pushing it being canon more or less for marketing for both. Tarble is canon to super but is put in non canon for some reason do stay consistent to your logic or not.


Toeiverse is dumb as it is just you compiling a canon out of cameos and references. I can get why you would see it as toei's version is canonical mess. let's over statements such as movies being not canon to manga or anime by a statement by torayama and hatchiyack and super saiyan bardock is video game only and has a anime tie in to promote the games and heroes does this to in fact. The bardock super saiyan form was a way to promote heroes also.
 
How about we just use "continuity" instead of "canon" when it comes to dragon ball. At this point, "canon" doesn't mean much anymore. We have the DB Manga, Toei Anime/Movies, Super Anime, Super Manga, Kai Anime, Xenoverse, heroes, etc.

With Super, we have to judge which continuity connects to them respectively.

For example, do we connect Super Anime with just the DB Manga or with the Kai or Original Toei Anime?

The Super Manga obviously connects with the DB Manga.

Also, what is this revision about?
 
Wasn't this thread conclude this same day? And yes, Super Anime is technically following Kai, but is still considered canon; similar with the manga, although this one have less filler, is considered equally canon (at least for our wiki standards).
 
^ I never said anything about canon. I was just talking about how it connects to previous continuities.

Also, no one said that the movies were in the same continuity as the manga.
 
We consider all of them to be equally acceptable, but we call the manga Chou now. Both of them are their own thing.
 
KLOL506

Tell me what makes GT and Super (Anime) different in terms of canon. The whole toeiverse thing makes no sense as it would include super with your logic and cretit needed to be part of it super is by toei and is fillerr up to the end of z
 
The original Toei Anime continuity is the Dragon Ball Anime/Movies, Dragon Ball Z Anime/Movies, and GT. This is one complete timeline of the original Toei contnuity

In the late 2000s, Toei decided to remaster the DBZ Anime as DBZ Kai with reduced filler and accurate dialogue. The Dragon Ball Super Anime then stems from the DBZ Kai Anime.
 
Firestorm808

Proof,statement or evidence to prove any claim you made. If kai is canon to super then show a statement otherwise it is made by toei and has filler from them so it be can assumed that it would be part of that canon. Speaking of which may you show takao or any of the anime writers or gt writers elborated on this otherwise this whole thing is just fan fic non sense amd theres a toei timeline can you show me it i would love to see it did toei make or you did

Yea they did make kai as a more accuarate apation of the manga like brotherhood and super stems from that can you show a statement to prove that headcannon or no
 
AFAIK, the difference is that Super is in line with DB/Z manga. Those together form the main canon.

GT is in line with the Toei Anime/Movies.

DB Kai is just a more faithful adaptation of the DB/Z manga. We don't use it for anything on site though (scaling and the like).
 
TheC2

GT is with same continuty as Toei Anime/Movies. Proof show a statement by anyone takao,gt writers,toei writers,The Company and other movie writers. GT was stated to be canon and canon for dragon ball is whatever there hoping to make bank off of. Being real show me this timeline everyone talks about. I don't have burden of proof cause im not the one making the arguments on this
 
Firestorm808 it did not answer anything about this toeiverse idea and it said everything i knew from watching these videos a while back. Don't link a video of a fan explaining something instead show me the timeline you talked about toei made it right if your saying it's a thing it can't just be headcanon where's the official toei dragon ball timeline. Your debating me not geekdom okay
 
The interviews in the video directly say that Toei wanted to continue production of the Dragon Ball Z Anime, and GT is the result.

Also, I used the word timeline loosely, but my point stands that the plot of GT stems from DBZ.
 
How is it headcanon that Toei said that they wanted to continue the Dragon Ball Anime story and proceeded to do just that?
 
Firestorm808

Cause continuing a story does not make said story automatically canon and your using headcanon by assuming it is. Still waiting on the timeline made by toei that everyone loves to talk about. Super stems from the Z anime and the BOG Movie and yo son which are all non canon by the wiki's defination.


There are such thing as non canon installments in fiction Kai,GT,Super could just be that
 
I am not talking about canon. I am talking about continuity, a continued story.

The original manga story is continued in the Super manga story.

Dragon Ball anime story is continued with Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT on one branch.

Later on, Toei has the Dragon Ball anime story continued in Dragon Ball Kai.

Dragon Ball Kai is continued with the Dragon Ball Super Anime.

It's not that complicated.

In regards to an official timeline of events to the respective series, they are found in the Daizenshuu 7 and GT Perfect Files.

On the DBH: Ultimate Mission official website, they have their own timeline of Dragon Ball Z & GT
 
Firestorm808

I want a more defined canon with more sources to prove what your saying about it and being more define on your logic and better scaling for the toei characters as well as others.

The official Toeiverse timeline is in Daizenshuu 7 and GT Perfect Files could you send me a link as your the one trying to prove this

Prove that Kai is anymore canon then the original Toei run

Alot of that is headcanon such as you saying the movies are in the toeiverse despite you saying it's only the anime in the official timeline so adding movies goes against author intent of that timeline so that's headcanon.

Kai is canon to super Proof

Saying something does not make that said thing fact like i could say Turles is goku's brother but your not gonna take me at face value your going to be like how can you prove that

Toriyama did not state the super manga as the canon he said the medium as a whole manga,anime,movies and gt are on the list of things he called canon just from memory and yo son is also on there by extension as is the anime of toei as there is flashbacks of it super and garlic jr happens in that same canon and ties into the movie
 
I would like to know what your current perception of the various continuities is. Could you describe it? What media follows what?
 
Firestorm808

I would say GT is a sequel to the anime of z as there is statements pointing towards the fact and the fact that it follows that same narrative and it begins where z ends off and filler concepts are in there reinforces that fact and it's not made by toriyama as for super in general it would be a sequel to the z anime by having filler characters and flashbacks from the filler and not being made by toriyama. The movies are non canon to any main series sequel or prequel as toriyama said their non canon and they often have little canon connection to each other and the anime as well alot of times like the og broly movie just starts in a park and goku trying to get gohan a degree or something like that and having entirely different scale of power in compare to the anime.
 
There is just 2 continuity. One in which Beerus awakes, and one in which Beerus doesn't wake.


The one where Beerus awakens leads to super.


The one where Beerus is still asleep leads to GT.


Makes sense?
 
I would say that "Toeiverse" is more of several histories rather than one consistent continuity (few movies do not fit with each other). And no, Super Anime is no more canon than Kai nor the other way around; and since I'm sure that was concludef in other thread, I think this one should be closed.
 
Okay. Feel free to close this then.
 
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