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A monster girl faces down the tree of life.

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Here's hoping this is fair. I don't have many 8-C characters.

Anyhow, the battle takes place on a random street in some city. There's no people around so Miroku can't do any of his regen shenanigans.

Starting Distance is 5 meters.

Speed is equalized.

Chelshia is about 0.55 tons (2x baseline) while Miroku is baseline.

Who wins!?

Monster Girl: 1 (JackytheJack)

Tree of Life: 0
 
Oh yeah, in case this is a point of contention, for Miroku to use his biological manip, he has to physically place a seed inside the opponent. So he'll have to break flesh with some attack. Against Grana he aimed for his eye.
 
One, why is Monster Musume a tag.

Two, how does his mind, memory, life manipulation and absorption work exactly? He needs specific items?

Also just a real quick three, she should be above that by a considerable margin considering that feat is with her weakest attack, while she has two others that are definitely stronger, but whatever.
 
Wrong verse, lol. My fault.

He needs to break skin and implant a seed. Against someone lacking supernatural senses he can do this without them noticing apparently, as that's how he can do it to humans without them realizing. But, he really needs to break the opponent's skin to place a seed within them. And from there he can manipulate their memory, drain their life force, etc.

And alright. I was only going based on the calc linked to her page.
 
It's all good man no worries.

So Chelshia is stronger and therefor more durable, has greater stamina and possibly lifting strength...hmm. Unknown durability doesn't help but I'll assume building level for this..

Miroku is smarter though and outranges so I guess I gotta ask his preferee method of fighting.
 
Oh, yeah. Sorry, I forget which Psyren pages I've updated and which ones I haven't. But yes, his durability should be building level since he fought against Grana.

He normally tries to gain distance to spam his tree of life. And if he sees an opening he'll get close to attempt to plan his seed.

A combination of using PSI to enhance his physical characteristics to move about the battlefield, and using his tree of life to attack from various angles, act as platforms on surfaces like water, etc.
 
Well, to be fair the distance doesn't mean much, as Chelshia's speed amplification can just cause her to close the distance real quick, as she can move around super stupid fast. She can even charge her saucy shot while doing so to lead to a combo of stupid speed and slamming him with marinara sauce.

Also if she finds any projectile too dangerous she could likely just go into chest form as well.
 
True. But also to be fair, he can amp his speed and strength with PSI, specifically rise. Rise is detailed on the verse page if you're interested.

Also...

If she turns into a chest could he open her up and plant his seed?
 
That sounds super wrong, but if he tries that Chelshia could likely just turn into a normal person again, hop up once and literally crush him, and frankly he wouldn't be able to do anything I don't think.

She could literally just pin him down
 
Most he can do is spam is tree, lol. Which is pretty effective given his range. Though if she turns into a chest he might just Tk her depending on their respective lifting strengths. I also can't recall if he can use his tree from afar to plant seeds. I'm pretty sure he's done it to humans, but I can't recall if he's ever done that to another person. Though if she hops up he would either immediately get distance, or hop up there with her.

Though I feel like if he got pinned he would definitely TK out, if his tree doesn't work. But he doesn't really use his TK all that much.

This match seems like it would be really fun to watch.
 
It'd be pretty hilarious honestly considering that Chelshia would liekly change her plans like five different times.

Dies this basically become a ranged match or..?
 
Yeah, lol.

Against someone like Chelshia, whom is a physical powerhouse, he'll definitely play keep away. His tree of life has enough range for him to do that in most cases.

I actually need to reread the series again. And get some more feats for them. LS, speed, AP, etc.
 
To be fair she's dealt with people who've played keep away before and her whole goal would be to close the gap with some pretty good mobility. It wouldn't take that long or too much effort
 
Fair enough. Though trying to weave around the tree is hard just because it can sprout stuff at any point on its branches at any time. And then it just becomes a mess. He can also mold the thorns around himself as a kind of shield.

The first instance of his tree
 
I mean...to be fair while it seems hard to predict it doesn't seem all too difficult to dodge all things considered, especially when she'll be going around all over the place anyways, and with a lot of movbikity options it's be difficult to predict her movement
 
Oh yeah, no doubting her mobility. I'm just saying the tree will be taking up more and more physical space around him to the point where she won't be able to successfully approach without having to deal with the tree. Assuming she hasn't found a way in already.
 
Would anything stop her from brute forcing her way through to the tree?

Also going to bed now night
 
Not really, aside from injuring herself to do so. I also have to check to see if the plants can insert their seeds without him having to do so personally.

Goodnight. Sleep well.
 
To be fair if it hurts her to punch it she could also just saucy shot it, and just busting a hole through it to get to the dude on the other side.

Currently leaning toward Chelshia because of seemingly better versatility and strength, and a hard to adapt to strategy of "do it all until something works."
 
True. But he can also regenerate the trees as they're being destroyed. Multiple characters have blown his tree of light to bits and he just grows it anew. Sprouting it from under the ground, behind and around him, etc. He only really has one main gimmick, but it's pretty good. Combined with his intelligence and you get someone who's really tough to get around.

And alright, cool. Should I count that as a vote for Chelshia?
 
While yeah it's a good gimmick, and nothing that Chelshia has really fought before, if he keeps playing range she'd be happy to do the same and blast him from a distance.

Yeah Chelshia for me, and I'll keep dismantling arguments along the way

also can I ask you to vote on a different Chelshia match
 
Alright.

Lol, okay. I'm mostly debating just for the fun of it here. And because folk from Psyren get little love.

And of course. Just link it somewhere I can see it.
 
A few hours

So. I think Miroku could potentially take this. The primary reasons are as follows:

1. AP difference is only 2x, not much of a difference. Especially considering Miroku's feat was super casual, it was his first attack in the entire series.

2. Miroku has a range advantage.

3. Saucy shot has a charge time.

Presenting the argument in turn and addressing each point listed above, the small AP difference means that Chelshia has to take Miroku's tree of light somewhat seriously. As she can't just casually break it and receive no damage. Miroku having the range advantage by far and he can simply spam attacks like this and can even attack from places that she might be able to see, like how the old man was caught here. Him having the range means she'll have to fight just to get in close. Furthermore, since Saucy shot has a charge time, she can't simply spam ranged attacks. Not only because they have inferior range, but also because they're not as fast. Meaning she'll have to work just that much harder to get in.

Overall, she'll have to work extremely hard to get in. And Miroku can always retreat to the top of a building or something using rise, and further spam his tree from there. The chest helps her not take damage, but it also means that she can't attack. And Miroku could also gain distance during that time if he so chose. Engaging in CQC with him is dangerous anyway as a singular cut means he can implant his seeds in her to do anything he wants, like rewrite her memories. So even if she does manage to get in, it'll likely be after she's sustained decent damage from the tree, and will likely not be in tip top shape to be fighting Miroku in CQC at that point.

Funny thing is, Miroku defeated Grana in verse, but I think Grana has a much better time against Chelshia because his TK is just that good.
 
I will tackle this at a later time. Just gimme a bit and hopefully it won't be tomorrow morning
 
For point number one, it should be known that Chelshia's AP is actually greater than that if she was to use full strength, as that feat is performed with her most casual attack ever, which is a simple half assed punch, and her greater attacks, the actually trying pinch and the saucy shot, are both twice and thrice as strong as the weak punch as part of her moveset, and there's the fact that her stronger punch will literally shoot fire as long as she's uninjured, so she could possibly burn the trees. Not only that but she also has her heserk mode, which would I believe triple the amount of damage that she does. She may not be able to casually destroy them, but she's probably gonna put not much effort into it when she could maybe just run through the trees.

Onto point 2 and 3 (and merging a bit more): While he has better range it doesn't mean much when she can still close the distance rather easily while running towards him with her fist out, and though the saucy shot has a charge time it's still not that long at all. It's a couple seconds, and she can still move around and punch and dodge and do literally everything in her arsenal while she does so. It isn't like a Dragon Ball charge up where you gotta stay still (I think). She can still avoid attacks, run up and punch him, literally go into her chest and charge it while in there, or just run up up to him and shoot him point blank.

If he gets up on a building Chelshia can scale other nearby buildings with harpy boost and double jump and reach him on the roof where he gets blasted with a saucy shot of marinara sauce. Also I'd she realizes going into CQC with him is a bad idea, which to be fair she probably would realize that if he's quick to resort to that, she'd think that, hey, range would be a good idea to mess with him. And then she wouldn't allow him much time to actually back up unless he has some skill I don't really know about.

Also if he tries to come in for a good slash she can still just go into chest form to block it or something before coming back and slamming her fist into his face.
 
>Burn the trees

Umm...the trees are pure energy, lol.

And he also is more of a ranged guy. He doesn't really go for CQC, but he can if he sees an opportunity.

Other than that, everything else looks solid. So I was definitely right when I said Grana would have a much simpler time, lol.
 
How would he have a simpler time? Just curious. It just all relies on TK?

Oh, well, guess she can't burn them.

And alright, well, if she gets close enough there's no way in heck she's gonna let him get far away enough to range attack again.
 
That, and he can oneshot with Nichrin since it carbonizes the skin on contact. But TK is super helpful, since it'll be hard for her to do literally anything as he can just send her flying back several hundreds of meters casually.

Yeah, lol.

Probably not, unless he retreats to somewhere with water. I mean, he can still amp himself with rise, and rise is used by everyone and their mom in the series, so he's far from helpless. And his tree can be used from up close as well. But yeah. Knowing Miroku he'd try to retreat to a place she can't follow him to like a body of water since he can plant seeds in the water to stand on and spam his tree of light from there. But given it's in time square I'm pretty sure the closet body of water is a good distance away, so that's likely a non factor.
 
Would I mean it should.

She can swim actually but her golden hand weighs her down too much and she sinks.
 
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