Mob vs. Fear (The Biggest Threat To Mankind Fights A Physically Inept Child)

Starter_Pack · Feb 19, 2019

(Had to refer to the Knight Run wiki for this. Don't @me for anything I get wrong.)

Chaos. Destruction. Death.

This is what Fear has created by attacking the humans when they least expected it, during their annual celebration of Christmas. Cities have been leveled, and the death toll has reached the millions. And no Knights had been able to be mobilized against her that she didn't quickly cut down to size. To her, it seemed as if victory was assured. That is, until the body of her brother, Blue Beetle, came flying past her and slammed into the wall behind her. Turning to where the direction the body came from, a lone human walked forward through the streets, managing to toss away any Beast that attempted to attack without any effort. Overall unmoved from seeing her brother casually tossed away, the EX-Type Zero rushed forward to take down this human, so her invasion may continue unhindered.

In the blue corner, we have Shigeo Kageyama from Mob Psycho 100, and in the red corner, we have Fear from Knight Run.

-This is a battle to the death or incapacitation. No holds barred.
-Neither character are aware of each other beforehand, and there is no prep time.

-Neither character are allowed any outside help.

-This battle takes place in the ruined city of Tokyo, giving neither a very significant advantage.

-Shigeo is already in his "???% Mode," and Fear is equipped with "The White."

-Speed is equalized.

With all this being said, let the debate begin!

Mob: 3 (First Witch, Dargoo Faust, DragonEmperor23)

Fear: 0

Inconclusive: 0

Dargoo_Faust · Feb 19, 2019

Hoooooo boy.

Will vote here later.

Starter_Pack · Feb 19, 2019

~~Probably should get Witch over here as well.~~

Dargoo_Faust · Feb 19, 2019

So,

Mob can just abosrb the wave-based attacks like he abosrbs any other kind of energy; and before someone pops up and says he can only abosrb energy from other espers, ???% Mob passively absorbs energy from everything around him, including inanimate objects. So Mob absorbing Fear's Wave attacks isn't too out there.

I feel like Mob will just absorb Fear's energy before Fear has a chance to properly retailiate against him, or just ragdoll or crush fear with TK the instant the battle starts.

IDK if any of Fear's weapons count as technology but Mob would passively disable them from a pretty sizeable distance.

Starter_Pack · Feb 19, 2019

Oof. So, stomp or no?

Because I was hoping it was no.

Dargoo_Faust · Feb 19, 2019

I'm not sure what Fear can do to win as Mob starts absorbing his power right off the bat.

It shouldn't instantly de-power Fear considering Fear is actually on the same level of ???% Mob so there's that, but that doesn't stop Mob from holding Fear in place, ragdolling them, crushing them, etc.

Starter_Pack · Feb 19, 2019

Hmm, maybe contacting Witch would actually be a good idea, considering the knowledge that was shown during the brackets.

DragonEmperor23 · Feb 19, 2019

???% is like ultra bloodlusted in fights and when Fear's not humanoid and leader of mass murderers, she gets twisted to pieces.

First_Witch · Feb 19, 2019

Alright, Fear got her first match pretty fast.

Smol gripe from for the intro: What you described fits Blue Beetle way more than Fear. Fear is extremly stoic and woudnt even flinch after seeing Blue Beetle ragdolled, considering that shes the stronger of the 2 Type Zeroes and only cares for her objectives.

So lets move to the match itself.

Regarding the energy absorbtion. Sounds fair, the only argument i could bring up is that Waves are more akin to Chi than raw energy (I should maybe add that to the profile teehee~) And im not sure how it would interact with the Power nulling part of Wave energy.

As for TK, i find it hard to believe that Mob can just crush Fear with his lower AP. Fear with "The White" is > the 34 Ton feat, so she runs around with a existing advantage. I have said nothing if Mob has feats of crushing stronger opponents than him or maybe i missed some key mechanics.

As for Powerdraining: Wont happen even if they fight for hours. Fear with "The White" is powered by 8 A-class Nohsims. A single C-class Nohsim allowed Fear to fight extensivly against multiple Zero Breakers and Master Knights, after having a full duel with Dry.

Fear's actual means to attack back are probably only Balisarda and Morglay. Balisarda can split itself into hundrets of smaller pieces, each of them capeable of oneshotting Knights and Warships. Morglay can accelerate with zero repulsion and ignore barriers that can cover entire planets. Both are mindbased, so getting restrained wont hinder Fear much. "The White" gives Fear multiple spears too, that she can fire with her mind.

This is what i can provide for now, i dont know enough about Mob Psycho to elaborate more, more information is appreciated.

Starter_Pack · Feb 19, 2019

Starter Pack said:
(Had to refer to the Knight Run wiki for this. Don't @me for anything I get wrong.)

Still, I'll make a change to the OP to fix that little personality niche you so helpfully pointed out.

First_Witch · Feb 19, 2019

This shot basically shows how Fear thinks lol:

Oneshotted a Knight barehanded, walked calmly towards a group of Knights and allowed them to surround her

Starter_Pack · Feb 19, 2019

Eeh, I think I did a fair rewrite already, then.

"Overall unmoved from seeing her brother casually tossed away, the EX-Type Zero rushed forward to take down this human, so her invasion may continue unhindered."

That seems about right. (Reading that could be enticing later.)

DragonEmperor23 · Feb 19, 2019

How does TK vs Ap work? Even if he can't crush her, he could still put her into a ball with it being Class G vs Unknown. Mob might even be able to copy her ability to amp herself with her power.

Dargoo_Faust · Feb 19, 2019

First Witch said:
Regarding the energy absorbtion. Sounds fair, the only argument i could bring up is that Waves are more akin to Chi than raw energy (I should maybe add that to the profile teehee~) And im not sure how it would interact with the Power nulling part of Wave energy.

Actually, Chi is a thing in Mob Psycho and he should be perfectly capable of absorbing it as it's used through an esper's ability.

First Witch said:
As for TK, i find it hard to believe that Mob can just crush Fear with his lower AP. Fear with "The White" is > the 34 Ton feat, so she runs around with a existing advantage. I have said nothing if Mob has feats of crushing stronger opponents than him or maybe i missed some key mechanics.

28 Tons was just Mob walking; the feat was incredibly casual. So the gap isn't that wide.

First Witch said:
As for Powerdraining: Wont happen even if they fight for hours. Fear with "The White" is powered by 8 A-class Nohsims. A single C-class Nohsim allowed Fear to fight extensivly against multiple Zero Breakers and Master Knights, after having a full duel with Dry.

Base Mob and 100% Mob have frequently fought for a full day without passing out.

First_Witch · Feb 20, 2019

Fair enough, the power nulling part is still up in the air though.

Fair enough too. Does Mob have any feats of crushing people in his power level?

That wasnt my point. My point is that Mob wont drain Fear empty with 8 full power cores.

Dargoo_Faust · Feb 20, 2019

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly if the powernull still activates if the energy from wave techniques are absorbed.

Not really; as ???% Mob is sort of the god-tier of his own verse. 8-A 100% Mob has crushed/broken apart people on his level though.

I never really said Mob would drain Fear empty; he's never done that to someone of his level as ???% Mob. I'm mostly saying Fear would be fighting an uphill battle as Mob would continuously get stronger with Fear's energy.

First_Witch · Feb 20, 2019

Thats something i cant answer you too.

I see, but that ties with the third point

So Mob will put a clear hard timer on Fear. If he cant oneshot her with TK crush now, he will be able to later. If its in character for Mob to TK hold her to restrain her movement then the only way for Fear to win is to throw Morglay and Balisarda at him. If Mob face tanks them or block them with his barriers hes dead. Morglay ignores Forcefields and Balisarda's splits oneshot.

So this wholy depends on Mobs character. Regardless of the outcome i dont think Mob stomps here.

Dargoo_Faust · Feb 20, 2019

100% Mob's "character" entirely depends on the emotion that placed him in 100%. That said the 'strongest' 100% Mob was fueled by Resignation, whose first move was to directly TK Touichirou's limbs apart.

It's in character to TK restrain people but in all fairness that usually doesn't work on people at his level.

I don't think Mob stomps either, Fear has ways of winning although Mob will probably win before they're used properly.

First_Witch · Feb 20, 2019

Well, if he normaly cant restrain people on his level then limb ripping will not work that great either. Especially if it would have to rip through her dura AND her barrier. So Fear can still move then? Even restricted, thanks to TK, that will give her a huge boon with her Aurora System.

So i would have to imagine the fight, Fear rushes at Mob. He prolly TK's her? She tries to Wave lazer him, but sees that her attack gets absorbed, together with feeling a draining effect on herself. So Fear will most definitly throw Morglay and Balisarda at Mob.

So now you have to fill my blanks here. What will Mob throw after he realizes that Fear dosnt let herself get raggdolled? And how will he realize if he sees 1. A gigantic sword flying at him, while accelerating itself and 2. Hundrets of small glowing blades surrounding him? Each of them will kill Mob if they connect. Morglay HAS to be stopped with force, because Forcefields gets ignored by it. Balisarda's blades are fully capeable of oneshotting Knights and their DC coates.

Dargoo_Faust · Feb 20, 2019

IDK, that's what he does to Touchirou in 100% mode.

How would Fear react to having her wave blasts sent back at her?

Mob can also directly TK the weapons if he notices his forcefields not working.

If they oneshot people only ten megatons higher than Mob I don't think they'd one shot Mob considering 28 Tons is a huge lowball for his AP

First_Witch · Feb 20, 2019

So we dont know what Mob will start with for sure?

Suprised but not for long. Attack reflection isnt uncommonin Knight Run and she should be able to face tank at least one with her her 8 Nohsim powered Barrier. Shes extremly fast in catching things like that up, so she will stop using them and switch to her physical attacks.

If he tries to stop Morglay with a Forcefield than thats too late. Morglay dosnt disable Forcefields, it bypasses them. At that point Fear probably accelerated Morglay another time to suprise Mob. Morglay is gigantic, the tip alone would cover Mobs entire body. Not only that, Fear can use the distraction caused by her Phenomenom Weapons to close the distance with her Aurora System and cut Mobs head open or pierce his heart.

Dargoo_Faust · Feb 20, 2019

First Witch said:
If he tries to stop Morglay with a Forcefield than thats too late. Morglay dosnt disable Forcefields, it bypasses them.

Not really, Mob's forcefields cover a massive area and he can react to something bypassing them with thought-based TK.

Ciruno_Fortes · Feb 20, 2019

Is Morglay physical or a mental attack? Not denying it passes through barriers but just want to know since there's a chance Mob might survive it depending on the answer.

First_Witch · Feb 20, 2019

Dargoo Faust said:
Not really, Mob's forcefields cover a massive area and he can react to something bypassing them with thought-based TK.

Even if it further accelerate midfly?

First_Witch · Feb 20, 2019

Ciruno Fortes said:
Is Morglay physical or a mental attack? Not denying it passes through barriers but just want to know since there's a chance Mob might survive it depending on the answer.

Physical sword.

Dargoo_Faust · Feb 20, 2019

First Witch said:
Dargoo Faust said:

Not really, Mob's forcefields cover a massive area and he can react to something bypassing them with thought-based TK.

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Even if it further accelerate midfly?

Speed is equal tho.

First_Witch · Feb 20, 2019

Its a speed amp.

Ciruno_Fortes · Feb 20, 2019

Thinking about it, would speed unequalized make it not too unfair?

@FW I'd say definitely on the range. Mob has 'caught' numerous attacks from before from afar so if it slips out of his graps that might give an early warning.

Dargoo_Faust · Feb 20, 2019

First Witch said:
Its a speed amp.

Enough to blitz?

Because the TK is with a thought-based action.

Even then the amp needs to be activated by Fear from the looks of it, who with reactions equal wouldn't have the chance to amp them before Mob TKs them in place.

I also still doubt the one-shot.

First_Witch · Feb 20, 2019

Ciruno Fortes said:
Thinking about it, would speed unequalized make it not too unfair?
@FW I'd say definitely on the range. Mob has 'caught' numerous attacks from before from afar so if it slips out of his graps that might give an early warning.

I would, hence speed is equal to begin with

He can definitly catch it if he starts with his TK instead of his Forcefields, i didnt say otherwise. Im just saying that if he tries to stop it with his Forcefields he would have to do that from a save distance, or else he would get suprised and Morgd by its force controll and Zero repulsion acceleration. Even if he flings Morglay back at Fear, Fear only needs think back to accelerate Morglay against his TK back. Now i ask how his TK works and how he normally uses it. Is it more akin to throwing things back or is he activly pushing them back? The first allows Fear to rethrow Morglay and annoy Mob, the second will make Morglay useless after the first throw, because she cant permanently accelerate Morglay.

Dargoo_Faust · Feb 20, 2019

Mob usually uses TK in tandem with forcefeilds, especially if the attack is a physical sword.

Forcefields are usually used to block other psychic energy attacks.

First_Witch · Feb 20, 2019

Dargoo Faust said:
Enough to blitz?

Because the TK is with a thought-based action.

Even then the amp needs to be activated by Fear from the looks of it, who with reactions equal wouldn't have the chance to amp them before Mob TKs them in place.

I also still doubt the one-shot.

Probably not. There is no known upper limit so i wont step into the nlf.

Yes it needs to be activated, but Fear only needs a thought too. Even if Mob stops them, she can still amp against it.

You should voice your doubts directly instead of editing it into a older comment, makes me look like i ignored it lol. I mean, his AP isnt helping him tanking a attack though? How high is his dura actually. Because Mob's dura says he scaling from being unhurt by people who arent even city level to begin with.

First_Witch · Feb 20, 2019

Dargoo Faust said:
Mob usually uses TK in tandem with forcefeilds, especially if the attack is a physical sword.
Forcefields are usually used to block other psychic energy attacks.

So he will actually intercept it with his TK then, got it

But this still didnt answer my question. Is Mob's TK more the throwing type or a pushing typ? I doubt he can only do one of them, considering that hes a all powerful esper, but what does he more and firstly?

And what is his answer for Aurora Sytem teleport kills?

Dargoo_Faust · Feb 20, 2019

Amping against Class M/7-B TK probably won't do much if its through speed.

I tend to edit my comments a lot after I post them, sorry.

Mob's dura scales to his AP as it's via the same powers that give him his AP. Plus he's at the epicenter of all the attacks he demonstrates.

And before you claim it would just be via forcefields, espers amp their physical AP/Dura through channeling psychic energy through their bodies.

Dargoo_Faust · Feb 20, 2019

First Witch said:
But this still didnt answer my question. Is Mob's TK more the throwing type or a pushing typ? I doubt he can only do one of them, considering that hes a all powerful esper, but what does he more and firstly?

And what is his answer for Aurora Sytem teleport kills?

Both. Espers can just move things around in whatever direction they want, even with piercing, slashing, crushing, displacing, restraining, and blunt motions for direct attacks.

Could you explain how that works?

First_Witch · Feb 20, 2019

Alright, so Morglays only use in this fight will be averting Mobs focus for a little bit then.

Its basically raising the travell speed of the user to such hights that they teleport.

Dargoo_Faust · Feb 20, 2019

First Witch said:
Its basically raising the travell speed of the user to such hights that they teleport.

Does it also raise attack speed and reactions to that level too?

If it's just teleportation Mob has technically fought and defeated people who abuse that before.

First_Witch · Feb 20, 2019

Attack speed not but reaction speed definitly, else Aurora System users would consistently crash into buildings with that speed.

Dargoo_Faust · Feb 20, 2019

First Witch said:
Attack speed not but reaction speed definitly, else Aurora System users would consistently crash into buildings with that speed.

I mean in a sense where she's be blitzing Mob or would effortlessly evade Mob's attacks. If it's functionally like teleportation Mob can deal with it, but if it raises reactions and movement speed to that level Mob would have to abuse omnidirectional attacks; even then IDK if that would stop her from just yeeting away.

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