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Regarding Nocturne's Speed

Kepekley23

Kepekley23

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The context for Nocturne's statement of being beyond time and space is that he exists outside of both, not that he transcends it altogether (or else he'd be tier 2). That's also an Infinite speed feat, not an Immeasurable one, as we have debated numerous upon numerous times in this wiki. Immeasurable only aplies if you time-travel via sheer velocity.
 
It is Infinite.

Immeasurable is only if you can time travel with your speed alone.
 
Being unbound by linear time isn't Immeasurable. Again, Immeasurable is strictly for beings who can time travel with their speed.
 
No, I said that the feat itself was out of context and that even if it weren't, it wouldn't be an Immeasurable feat.

So even with the feat being legit it is still an Infinite Speed feat. Our pages explain this distinction.
 
At least a year back, maybe a couple years. There is no functional difference between moving in a place where time does not exist, an Infinite speed feat, and existing outside of time.

Our Speed page states:

  • Characters that are able to move backwards and forwards through time by movement alone qualify for immeasurable speed. [. . .] The difference between infinite and immeasurable is that the former can go everywhere instantly, whereas the latter can go everywhere and everywhen.
And the Timeless Voids Standards page which I wrote explains this a bit more in-depth
 
Time not existing isn't the same as transcending it. Infinite speed beings don't transcend time, rather time would equal 0.

Past, present, and future are directly linked to time, so someone who transcends that would logically not have their movement bound to it. Now if the statement was just flowery language then that's a different story.
 
"Transcending" in the context seems to be talking about how he exists outside of time itself, not that he literally surpasses time and space (which he doesn't for self-explanatory AP reasoning)

And existing and moving outside time isn't an Immeasurable speed feat.
 
@Kep Then his AP may need to be changed if transcending time and space makes you tier 2 because he does
 
There is no proof that Nocturne literally views time and space as fiction or that he surpasses the power contained within a time-space or anything like that. The words "transcending" and "beyond" merely indicate that you're out of something's range - and that's their literal meaning. We don't accept "transcends time and space" to mean they surpass a space-time continuum and are tier 2 unless the context is on complexity and power.
 
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