Regarding Nocturne's Speed

[Kepekley23]

The context for Nocturne's statement of being beyond time and space is that he exists outside of both, not that he transcends it altogether (or else he'd be tier 2). That's also an Infinite speed feat, not an Immeasurable one, as we have debated numerous upon numerous times in this wiki. Immeasurable only aplies if you time-travel via sheer velocity.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Hang on, lemme find the thing that says Noc exists beyond space and time

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Yeah this makes sense.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Beyond Space and Time, Eternum Nocturne Watches

Though if this is only Infinite i'm okay with it

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Uh Weekly, you do know that's a forum, right?

 

[Kepekley23]

^ It's canon developer lore much like TES' forums have canon lore

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes, that is how they posted new skins back when Eternum Nocturne was first released

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kep So would that be Immeasurable or Infinite?

 

[Kepekley23]

It is Infinite.

Immeasurable is only if you can time travel with your speed alone.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Mkay, ive adjusted it

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I

Wait

No nvm he does transcend time, he himself states he does

 

[WeeklyBattles]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJwkY_shE2Y

 

[Kepekley23]

Being unbound by linear time isn't Immeasurable. Again, Immeasurable is strictly for beings who can time travel with their speed.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

He...flat out says he transcends time

 

[Kepekley23]

Which isn't an Immeasurable feat

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Thats not what you said in the OP

 

[Kepekley23]

No, I said that the feat itself was out of context and that even if it weren't, it wouldn't be an Immeasurable feat.

So even with the feat being legit it is still an Infinite Speed feat. Our pages explain this distinction.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So transcending time doesnt give you immeasurable speed?

 

[Kepekley23]

Nope

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Since when?

 

[Kepekley23]

At least a year back, maybe a couple years. There is no functional difference between moving in a place where time does not exist, an Infinite speed feat, and existing outside of time.

Our Speed page states:

• Characters that are able to move backwards and forwards through time by movement alone qualify for immeasurable speed. [. . .] The difference between infinite and immeasurable is that the former can go everywhere instantly, whereas the latter can go everywhere and everywhen.

And the Timeless Voids Standards page which I wrote explains this a bit more in-depth

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Okay? Nocturne is capable of traveling through time tho

 

[Kepekley23]

With his sheer speed...?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Time not existing isn't the same as transcending it. Infinite speed beings don't transcend time, rather time would equal 0.

Past, present, and future are directly linked to time, so someone who transcends that would logically not have their movement bound to it. Now if the statement was just flowery language then that's a different story.

 

[Kepekley23]

"Transcending" in the context seems to be talking about how he exists outside of time itself, not that he literally surpasses time and space (which he doesn't for self-explanatory AP reasoning)

And existing and moving outside time isn't an Immeasurable speed feat.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

If it's just outside of time then no, it's not immeasurable.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Kep Then his AP may need to be changed if transcending time and space makes you tier 2 because he does

 

[RegisNex1232]

Since when has Nocturne travelled through time?

 

[Kepekley23]

There is no proof that Nocturne literally views time and space as fiction or that he surpasses the power contained within a time-space or anything like that. The words "transcending" and "beyond" merely indicate that you're out of something's range - and that's their literal meaning. We don't accept "transcends time and space" to mean they surpass a space-time continuum and are tier 2 unless the context is on complexity and power.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Mkay

Well ive changed the profiles so you can close this