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Meliodas vs Lille Barro

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No, he hasn't and he gets stomped badly by Barro. He can't Full Counter his X-Axis since it just penetrates and is a projectile and he can't hurt him through the intangibility.
 
Coleworld12 said:
No but reflecting it should work shouldn't it?
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No, because there's no projectile, no energy, nothing to reflect. Barro's X-Axis shots simply penetrate through him.
 
Coleworld12 said:
Not X axis the trumpet
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The Trumpete has X-Axis properties. And Nanao didn't reflect energy or anything like that, she reflected his POWER. Meliodas can't full counter power.
 
The X-axis is a line, there is no projectile. Meliodas can't reflect w/o damage what he can't react to/block. However, this is Lille without Trompete, correct? Meliodas can survive for quite a bit of time then. If Meliodas just turns this into a reflecting contest (as Lille is vulnerable to his own X-axis being reflected), he might win.
 
Alakabamm said:
The X-axis is a line, there is no projectile. Meliodas can't reflect w/o damage what he can't react to/block. However, this is Lille without Trompete, correct? Meliodas can survive for quite a bit of time then. If Meliodas just turns this into a reflecting contest (as Lille is vulnerable to his own X-axis being reflected), he might win.
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I think there's some misconception here. Nanao's God Slaying Sword is not the same as Mel's Full Counter. Mel's Full Counter reflects casted abilities (water, energy beams, even TK), while Nanao's sword reflects the power, the ability of the god itself. Proof? Well, how about the fact that she was able to hit and damage Barro while he was intangible. Mel can't do that.
 
when used against Lille's Trompete, a large blast of energy that destroyed most of the area in its path,Shinken Hakkyōken protected a thin strip of land while erasing a vertical section of Lille's body, causing him to disintegrate into energy shards. However, the energy attacks dispersed by the sword can harm Nanao herself if she is not careful.

^ Doesn't his power but energy...
 
That's a wiki article. I'm going to go straight to the source and prove that wrong. It's the power, not the energy that is being reflected.

http://********.me/manga/bleach/vTBD/c651/16.html
 
RavenSupreme said:
why are people arguing when mel cant hit an intangible in the first place?
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He can't hit them but Lille barros own energy blast being reflected and damaging him already worked on him
 
Coleworld12 said:
Tivanenk
Because we're on a wiki and that's from nanao"s profile
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Oh my god, I just literally pinpointed you to a page and you believe the wiki over source material?
 
Not really I did go by the source material she reflected his trumpet which is energy it is a power but it's made of energy regardless
 
Coleworld12 said:
Not really I did go by the source material she reflected his trumpet which is energy it is a power but it's made of energy regardless
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Where does it state that it's made of energy?
 
if lille already got his own blasts redirected and we utilize verse equalization meliodas actually stands his ground then, yes.

anything else would just be an unfair match tho
 
Where does it state that it's made of energy?

http://www.**********.com/bleach/653/9 Light is energy obviously
 
RavenSupreme said:
if lille already got his own blasts redirected and we utilize verse equalization meliodas actually stands his ground then, yes.
anything else would just be an unfair match tho
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Lille had to actually be faced with a weapon specifically to counter him to actually beat him. And it reflected not energy, not projectiles, but rather his power itself. I don't where they get this energy argument from. Nowhere does it state that it's made of energy. And it doesn't make sense for him to lose his X-Axis all of a sudden in Vollstandig just because his attacks look different. Pernida maintained his nerves, Askin still has his lethal dose manipulation. Why would Barro lose his Schrift?
 
Coleworld12 said:
Where does it state that it's made of energy?
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http://www.**********.com/bleach/653/9
Light is energy obviously

Erm, no? It literally states that the sword is diffusing the light from the Barro's power:

http://********.me/manga/bleach/vTBD/c652/4.html
 
RavenSupreme

We have verse equalization in the standard battle assumptions so I didn't bother mentioning it and barro starts off in second form in which case his attacks are light so..
 
Granted, unless you actually want to imply that his attacks are actual light, then that would mean Mel gets shotted before he even gets a chance to react.
 
It's not actual light...

http://********.me/manga/bleach/vTBD/c650/10.html

^Divine light of punishment.
 
Coleworld12 said:
It's not actual light...
http://********.me/manga/bleach/vTBD/c650/10.html

^Divine light of punishment.
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OK, so you're saying it's light, but not actual light, even though there's nothing on the panel that says about the light being fake, and that it doesn't have X-Axis properties?

Someone's trying to twist this match into Mel's favor.
 
I'm not saying it's light I'm repeating what's on panel.

Why not make a thread about it being light and bleach being FTL as if I care I just went by profiles on this and nothing I've stated up to this point has been wrong.
 
I'm not saying it's light, you're saying that it is. It's an X-Axis attack that simply penetrates.
 
just because a power utilizes "light" does not mean it is actual lightspeed

for example gowther is using "light" attacks (e.g. rewrite light), yet its not lightspeed

the closest in terms of NNT regarding actual "light" might even be escanors sunshine, and even there we have no confirmation

so if its "light" as a means of power meliodas can use his ability on it (full counter)

if however there is confirmation on it having actual lightspeed it ofc. is out of his leauge
 
@ravenSupreme The light that he has is more of a god's light. His attacks aren't actually light, it's just his power. And his attacks simply penetrate, there's no projectile.
 
i dont see how "god light" could be quantified in terms of vsbattle rules tho. and from what i got here, he already got his own power reflected back at him. can his own power damage him or is it like FT, where the own element does no damage?
 
RavenSupreme said:
i dont see how "god light" could be quantified in terms of vsbattle rules tho. and from what i got here, he already got his own power reflected back at him. can his own power damage him or is it like FT, where the own element does no damage?
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Since his own power is the X-Axis, it can also penetrate his intangible form as well. However, Mel has never shown to be able to reflect things that simply penetrate, giving off no energy and no projectile.
 
I understand how the X-axis and Nanao's power works, Raven. It was described as a "projectile" earlier in this thread, which it is not. However, the description of it is that it pierces the space between the gun and the target. It may be possible for Meliodas to use his own body as the receptacle of the X-axis (that is, tank the attack) and then send it right back at Lille after tanking it. This would bypass intangibility because Lille is weak to his own power.
 
Alakabamm said:
I understand how the X-axis and Nanao's power works, Raven. It was described as a "projectile" earlier in this thread, which it is not. However, the description of it is that it pierces the space between the gun and the target. It may be possible for Meliodas to use his own body as the receptacle of the X-axis (that is, tank the attack) and then send it right back at Lille after tanking it. This would bypass intangibility because Lille is weak to his own power.
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Highly doubt that it would work though.
 
yeha i just take the information from lille as i get it here, and the informations are contradicting..

however if it can be like: lille attacks - attack connects - meliodas full counters then yeha he has a shot. while not used massively throughout the series, he has used full counter after hit already

http://b.*************/store/manga/11925/001.0/compressed/n050.jpg?v=1351136521

http://b.*************/store/manga/11925/001.0/compressed/n051.jpg?v=1351136521
 
Well, yeah, he has used Full Counter even after being hit (TK included), but he isn't going to survive an X-Axis shot hitting him.
 
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