Jiren (Dragon Ball) vs Lightning (Final Fantasy XIII)

MoonChosen · Jan 6, 2019

Both Low 2-C forms

(Limit Breaker Jiren vs Savior Lightning)

Speed Equalized

Who wins?

Note: For all those who would argue that Lightning takes this due to her time hax, keep in mind that Jiren has already proven himself against time hax and shown he can break out of it. And that was when he was only using just a fraction of his true power. If he's in Limit Breaker mode, he'd very arguably be able to shrug off time hax with ease.

ShadowWarrior1999 · Jan 6, 2019

>Type 4 immortality and soul hax.

Dead Jiren.

Rin_The_Dragon_Empress · Jan 6, 2019

Does her soul manipulation work on beings that have vessels?

Warren_Valion · Jan 6, 2019

How does Lightning's Soul hax and Type 4 work?

HST_Master · Jan 6, 2019

Pretty sure Lightnings soul hax comes from her saving people's souls upon death for the new world. Which is basically non combat applicable

Rin_The_Dragon_Empress · Jan 6, 2019

If that's the case I don't see why Jiren doesn't have the chance here.

Warren_Valion · Jan 6, 2019

What about her type 4?

Edit: I search her history, and I think her type 4 is the old type 4, not the new one.

HST_Master · Jan 6, 2019

I forget the previous definition of type 4

Warren_Valion · Jan 6, 2019

Hst master said:
I forget the previous definition of type 4

4: Immortality via godhood, or protection from a deity: A character that was either granted immortality by a god, or is immortal because of its hierarchical position due to godhood, so that its divine immortality is less a power, and more treated as a consequence of its state of being as a deity.

Examples: Future Zamasu (Dragon Ball), Zeref Dragneel (Fairy Tail), Juggernaut (Marvel Comics), Pontos(Saint Seiya), Bill Cipher (Gravity Falls)

Litentric_Teon · Jan 11, 2019

Doesn't lightning still have a plethora of status effects she can inflict on Jiren?

Warren_Valion · Jan 11, 2019

Litentric Teon said:
Doesn't lightning still have a plethora of status effects she can inflict on Jiren?

Explain what those effects are would be great.

Litentric_Teon · Jan 11, 2019

They're listed on her page.

Time slow wouldn't work.

But she has things like poison/life drain, curses, blinding effects. I can't recall whether or not she has paralysis and statistics amplification/reduction.

I don't think it's anywhere near a stomp since her main hax is time manipulation. But she has a much wider variety of skills to pull from.

Akreious · Jan 11, 2019

Litentric Teon said:
They're listed on her page.
Time slow wouldn't work.

But she has things like poison/life drain, curses, blinding effects. I can't recall whether or not she has paralysis and statistics amplification/reduction.

I don't think it's anywhere near a stomp since her main hax is time manipulation. But she has a much wider variety of skills to pull from.

Jiren also has the glare. So I think it evens out.

Litentric_Teon · Jan 13, 2019

Does the glare one shot? I'm not sure how their AP levels compare.

Akreious · Jan 13, 2019

Litentric Teon said:
Does the glare one shot? I'm not sure how their AP levels compare.

Goku in 3rd UI and MUI was still actively dodging the Glare and had to block it if they couldn't dodge rather than straight tanking it so it at least does something.

Something to someone of a level of which Lightning is nowhere near high enough to compare.

The_Causality · Jan 13, 2019

I'm pretty sure Jiren one shot.

InfiniteBlack123 · Jan 13, 2019

Jiren also has sealing tech right.

Akreious · Jan 13, 2019

InfiniteBlack123 said:
Jiren also has sealing tech right.

.... what?

AKM sama · Jan 13, 2019

Why do I remember Lightning losing to Beerus and winning against Goku?

InfiniteBlack123 · Jan 13, 2019

.... what?

This thing, its both sealing and transmutation hax.

http://www.mangadeep.com/Dragon_Ball_Super/30/41/

AKM sama · Jan 13, 2019

Wow, manga Jiren has hax. Never noticed it before.

InfiniteBlack123 · Jan 14, 2019

That's cause no weapon or things classified as weapons are not allowed.

And Jiren's was fighting to knock out even though that would have been easier with his sealing tech.

Litentric_Teon · Jan 14, 2019

Wow, that's really neat. Manga Jiren with hax.

If Jiren can oneshot then he has a really good chance here. I'd say he takes it more times than not since his glare is a legitimate attack.

Schnee_One · Jan 14, 2019

AKM sama said:
Why do I remember Lightning losing to Beerus and winning against Goku?

Because the first happened but got removed

And the second happened

Orion'sBow · Jan 20, 2019

A few things...

1) Lightning should, at very least, be low multiversal by virtue of being the Knight of Etro, then being made into borderline Etro by Bhunivelze. She lived forever in a world without time which transcended a multiverse, and she was clearly in control of it in XIII-2, and could gather souls of people who were already lost to the timeless void of death and chaos in Lightning Returns.

2) Overclock doesn't slow time in combat; it stops it. Her time hax also works against Bhunivelze, a being which transcends time via existing before it. He wouldn't be bothered by the destruction of it and the Unseen world, and was going to create a new world with a new timeline. Lightning's time hax is stronger than anything Jiren has faced.

3) Lightning yeeted said Godly being (who would stomp Jiren) with the combination of all the souls in existence. Lightning is basically a Goddess who stomped the highest ranking one in single combat which existed outside of the constrants of the world.

I vote for Lightning.

Warren_Valion · Jan 20, 2019

You can't vote for a character if the reasoning for your voting isn't on the profile.

Make a CRT, then come back to this thread.

Orion'sBow · Jan 20, 2019

I can do what I want.

Warren_Valion · Jan 20, 2019

Orion'sBow said:
I can do what I want.

You can do what you want, but your vote won't be considered valid as there nothing on the profile that coincides with your reasoning for voting for Lightning.

Make a CRT and get the changes applied if you want your vote to be valid.

Besides, if she 2-C, then Jiren has no way to win, and this would be a stomp.

Orion'sBow · Jan 20, 2019

>He has no way to win

Now you understand.

Warren_Valion · Jan 20, 2019

He has no way to win if you make a CRT and apply the upgrades of making her 2-C.

If you don't, then he just glares away the THOT.

Make the CRT.

Orion'sBow · Jan 20, 2019

DragonEmperor23 · Jan 20, 2019

Jiren fra

Schnee_One · Jan 20, 2019

Jiren via not having a shit profile I forgot to revise

Also FRA

HST_Master · Jan 20, 2019

Justice fra

The_2nd_Existential_Seed · Jan 20, 2019

Jiren fra. Unless Lightning gets the revision ( Which to my knowledge I remember most of these facts from the games and if they are included the whole fight is a 180 degree turn ) .... She gets stomped no matter how many times she gets back up.

The_Calaca · Jan 20, 2019

Owari Da FRA.

Minghaoly_god · Jan 20, 2019

Jiren seal her.

Warren_Valion · Jan 20, 2019

Minghaoly god said:
Jiren seal her.

This isn't manga Jiren.

Minghaoly_god · Jan 20, 2019

Jiren glares.

DragonEmperor23 · Jan 22, 2019

Calaca Vs said:
Owari Da FRA.

Yes

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