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Sanji vs Gawain (redux)

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I just remember Sanji already fought Gawain before, and welp let's reduxing it!! Both are gentleman towards female (Thought Gawain is not extreme comparing Sanji lel), who would win!!?

-Dressrosa arc Sanji and Base Gawain are used

-Speed are equalized

-Place: Ottawa, Canada

-Range are 50 meters

-Win via death!!!

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I suppose this is 7-A Gawain with Excalibur Galatine restricted to make a 7-A match.

Okay so, without the amplification and his strongest attack Gawain is in a serious disadvantage. He holds the experience advantage but that's it. Sanji has the arguably skill advantage, Precognition, Pseudo-Flight, access to his Stat Amps that works on both power and attack speed (Diable Jambe and Armament Haki to enhance both AP and speed that will help him but he won't blitz). Also, if Gawain can use fire in this match that won't matter since Sanji can ignore the heat and flames from his own attacks.

Now for AP:

Sanji is scaled to Vergo who scales to Pica who scales to Zoro who did a 554MT feat with moderate effort. Sanji shouldn't be weaker than casual Zoro.

Gawain is on par with Artur who's 385MT.

So Sanji holds a 1.4x AP advantage that he can enhance.

Sanji takes 9/10.

Edit: What's the AP for Galatine? I couldn't find the exact number.
 
Isn't this pretty much two haxless characters against each other but one has the advantage in every category?
 
Kinda. It's decisive right now.

I'm asking because if Galatine isn't much powerful might be unrestricted to make this more interesting.
 
Nah, Galatine is Baseline High 7-A which isn't actually a one shot but usually gets restricted for some reason. If you are a Mountain+ there isn't much reason for it to be restricted.
 
Then keep it unrestricted. It's a 1.8x AP advantage that Sanji can close with his amps and the scaling chain.
 
Not too much. Zoro did the 554MT feat and Sanji shouldn't be weaker than that. He's comparable and can enhance his power to match characters that should be stronger than that like Vergo.

Gawain holds the AP advantage when using Galatine, but it should be like the AP advantage Sanji holds against non-Galatine Gawain.
 
I don't know if it really does much to change the outcome at all. Gawain doesn't exactly lead with it and he needs to throw his sword in the air to use it, leaving him open since he can't make any distance.

>Fighting someone

>Throws sword away

>To use a move that gets resisted (to an extent)

Edit:

>Move wouldn't even one shot anyway.

Funnily enough, Numeral Gawain (1.155 gigatons) hits slightly harder than Base Galatine (1 gigaton)
 
I vote for Gawain, since all he needs to do is successfully block one or two of Sanji's attacks before he can power null his haki and flame stuff. That temporarilly majorly nerfs Sanji's capacity to harm Gawain since he lacks a mystery aspect to do real damage. He can still harm him, just not as much. At this point, he can just drop his Noble Phantasm on him to win
 
I have some pretty heavy doubts that he'd be able to Power Null Sanji's Busushoko Haki. He might be able to seal Sanji's DJ attacks but I doubt he'd be able to seal his Kenbunshoku Haki and his Busushoko Haki. It'd also be hard to dodge or block attacks from someone who's faster than you and has moderate precog to counter attack.
 
Is ther any specific reason you doubt he would be able to null it? Or is it just a gut feeling? Precog is no big deal in fate, most servants combat ready servants can deal with precog similar to what you get from Haki. Also, speed is equalised
 
Mainly since we don't equate Haki to Magic, hence why his Magic Resistance is useless here. Most Servants precog isn't as versatile or as good as Kenbunshoku Haki, Kenbunshoku Haki grants the user limited mind reading, presence detection, emotional sensing, power sensing, insane vision range and other abilities. It also has the chance to accelerate and become even more potent in the middle of a battle. And Sanji specializes in Kenbunshoku Haki. Speed is equal but Sanji still has his speed increase ( Which is good enough to speed blitz people who gain massive speed amps like Jabara. )
 
I was not concerned with magic resist, I was more concerned with Gawains power null which is not exclusive to magic, but is more used on skills. Skills can indeed include specialised martial art technicques and internal energy manip such as Haki, as well as all of the sub powers you listed.

Pretty sure speed equal would get rid of the speed amping he gets, but otherwise we would probabaly need Numeral of the saint. But even without that, he has protection of the faries to tip the battle back in his favour if Sanji gets him on the ropes
 
Then he'd be able to Power Null Sanji's DJ, Kenbunshoku Haki and Busushoko would remain unsealed due to them not being his special skill. Even without DJ he wouldn't need it, Sanji already has a decent AP advantage and an advantage in pretty much every other category aside from experience.


Nah, speed amps are allowed in battle as far as i know. I doubt Protection of Faries is gonna be able to close the gap in AP since Sanji's Haki would only get stronger as a result. At best Gawain gets nears Sanji's own AP before his Haki adapts. At worst this becomes a battle of stamina which Sanji would win.
 
You missunderstand what a skill means in the nasuverse sense. A skill can be anything from being good at something, to a personality trait, to a legend, to a physiological aspect, to martial arts, to a talent, and far more. Something as simple as combat experience is also a skill, so Haki is no doubt able to be nulled. Yes, even power based on strong will are considered skills, which would include Haki


Protection of the fairies is a luck boost that will protect him. AP is not the issue for this skill. His Haki is irrelevant because the first blow that Gawain block nulls his ability to use Haki. Nah, Gawain wins a stamina battle hands down. So long as his master has a stable mana supply, most servants can keep fighting indefinitely
 
From what I understand Gawain doesn't have a Mana supply from a Master. That's something that needs to be specified in the OP which it hasn't. Fodder in One Piece can fight for 12 hours straight and he should be able to fight for 5 days like Ace did.


This sounds like an NLF. Could you show me what's he's been shown to be able to negate? To assume he'd be able to negate Sanji's Haki sounds like an NLF especially if he's never been shown to negate such a thing. So scans in this case would be appreciated. I'm also gonna call BS on Gawain being able to seal away his opponents experience.


Again, this could easily be an NLF. I have serious doubts that he'd be able to make Sanji's AP irrelevant, especially whenever you factor in Sanji's speed advantage and his Kenbunshoku Haki into the equation.
 
Servants are always assumed to have unlimited mana or a good/whatever master they had or else the vast majority disappear in a minute at best. Gawain would have someone at the level of Leo at the very least, under whom he was able to just swing around is beam sword easily and was usually hopped up on his Numeral which makes him cost x3 mana, at least.

PotF probably would make it far less impactful seeing as Lancelot's enabled him to fight Numeral Gawain for hours on end despite being at a x3 AP, dura and speed advantage. They still only tied.
 
@Rin

Gawain would have to, otherwise he would disappear within a minute and a half. It's a basic assumption that a servant has a master of some kind


He should be able to negate anything short of the Sakura 5's specialized skills, noble Phantasms in skill form, and anything with a backing of Authority. Those are its limits. I can provide you the statement, and then show you examples of skills that would fall in the same manor as haki. If he can null phisological powers, then Haki should be easy


You misunderstand. I meant that boosted AP wouldn't change how luck effects him, not that it would make it totally irrelevant. I'll say that the AP advantage doesnt matter as much when Gawain has the skill advantage by leagues. Artoria, whom he is loosely comparable to skill wise, was able to take on people far stronger than her, and even take one of the lives of Hercules, while she was severely weakened. Sanji's boost shouldn't be to much of a deal, and may just make it more fair for him tbh
 
>Sanji's kicks won't harm Gawain because he lacks supernatural mistery around his feet

Immunity to Modern Weaponry (Servants are Divine Mysteries that cannot be harmed by modern weapons such as guns, knives, or bombs unless they are infused with a supernatural aspect such as magical energy or possess a certain amount of age)

Kicks aren't modern weaponry.

>About Haki

Observation Haki's Precog is so good that lets the user reacts to attacks at SoL. Speed is equalized but that doesn't mean Sanji is in any disadvantage here considering that. He'll still see the attack right before Gawain attacks. And Sanji surprised even Katakuri, who has the best Precog in the verse so far at the point of being able to see several seconds in the future, which I think is far above Fate's precog.

>Gawain's power null

I'd like to see scans of Gawain's power null working on skill and abilities. And affecting inner spiritual energy means nothing since he's nulling magic traits, and Magic can't be equalized with Haki nor any of Sanji's techniques.

>Speed equal

Speed equalized matches allows speed enhancements. Sanji's attack speed gets increased with DJ but not at the point of blitzing.

>Gawain's stamina

I asked Reppuzan about this. Going by his profile Gawain can last over a day fighting which is like Low Tier levels of stamina in One Piece. AFAIK every Fate match doesn't use the mages that summons the Servant to work.

And even if he has a master assuming said master has a supply of infinite mana it's a wrong assumption AFAIK.
 
So Sanji has lost his only way of harming Gawain, right? Because he doesn't have any mistery involved in his attacks and even the DJ can be explained with the friction.
 
Didn't say they wouldn't harm him, I said they wouldn't do as much. I am working based off of the revisions that are about to go through, so this match doesn't get scrapped for being out dated. You need sufficient mystery to properly effect a servant. Sanji can still damage him, just not that much


I am aware on how aim dodging works with precog. Kirei, whose precog works similar to that or a servant's with mind of the eye false, can keep up with servants that are leagues faster than him just cuz he always knows where they are aiming. Gawain can keep up with servants who have this, so he should at least be able to manage it. Also, if Sanji just keeps dodging then Gawain is gonna drop his AoE NP on him and win that way


I have statements that it works on skills, and I can provide you examples of conventional skills that he can null. I never said he was nullifying magic. Most skills aren't even magic based, yet he can nullify then anyway.


Good. Gawain had the vast skill advantage so he should have no issue with a few times speed advantage


That is not my experience, and it does not make sense for him to not have a master. Servants need a master providing mana for them to function. His profile is wrong and needs to be fixed, I'll bring it up in the Nasu discussion thread.

Not so much an infinite supply, but they can replenish their mana mid fight
 
The revision put the Servants as highly resistant to harm done by normal means and they're saying that only natural phenomena for example would bypass it. Sanji's way of fight relies on kicks and nothing more. I don't see any mistery behind his style.

I won't keep discussing about a match that has no wincon for Sanji since his only way of winning is nulled the moment Gawain blocks.
 
The Haki would be able to work, and although supernatural things work better, if he is just using normal kicks it would be better then a modern weapon. The saying is that would would be better off trying to harm a servant with a paper knife held by a servant, then an atomic bomb used by a normal person.

His win con would be to not get any of his attacks blocked. It's not likely, but it is possible
 
You're saying that after saying that Gawain will block an attack and null every Sanji's powers with the skill difference.

Sanji is a normal human, not a Servant. So if an atomic bomb works worse than a paper knife held by a Servant, Sanji's kicks will do nothing.

Sorry but no, with the new input and the resistance clarified Sanji has no way of winning this.
 
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