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Boa Hancock vs Saitama

I didn't think of Boa as an Empathic Manipulation user. Supposedly, she is, but from what I've seen of the anime, I recall her power mostly working on fodder marines who simply thought she was attractive. And in fact, most of her Amazoness subjects thought of her as the most attractive woman, too.

Who has it worked on, & what's the basis for Empathic Manipulation? Has Saitama ever shown sexual or romantic interest in anyone, especially post-training? He seems dispassionate & his primary motivation is the thrill of a real fight.

I bring all this up because:

Weaknesses: She cannot swim and becomes immobilized if more than half of her body is covered in water, she is extremely arrogant, Her Devil Fruit's passive ability does not work on someone who isn't attracted to her (Example: Luffy), or is feeling an emotion far superior at the time they would feel lust for her (Momonga was able to not be affected during the time she used her powers due to feeling the pain of him stabbing himself more than his lust for her)

And yes, her blows & projectiles could also induce it, but:

"However, sufficient concentration, being blind or blindfolded (and thus unable to experience Hancock's beauty), or simply lacking any sort of affection for Hancock can nullify these effects. On the other hand, she can also petrify her foes with her physical attacks as well as her techniques, regardless of whether or not the target feels lust for her, even working on inanimate objects or machines like Pacifistas. But this use of her powers will only affect the area struck rather than the entirety of the target's body."

Also:

Tier: Unknow, At least 7-B, probably 7-A, possibly higher

Boa is 7-A, maybe higher. Saitama is At Least High 6-A. It's true she could be higher, but to go from peak 7-A to baseline High 6-A, if I'm doing my math based on the Attack Potency chart right, you would have to multiply by: 4,969,552,501.2 times.

Meaning that Saitama's statistics are roughly a little higher than FIVE BILLION TIMES HIGHER.

If she only manages to partially petrify him, or just uses basic attacks or doesn't go for petrification from the getgo, even a VERY small portion of Saitama's AP would be sufficient to one shot her. If he can breathe with a slight amount of his AP, she'd probably die.

The risk for her of Boa not going for petrification first isn't helped by 1 of the weaknesses listed on her profile being that she's arrogant. Looking down on someone could make her just try attacking with haki or such.

So let's recap. For Boa to win, she has to:

1. Overcome her arrogance weakness & not assume this bald, non-amazon man in a dorky outfit is a threat, & use her petrification abilities ASAP, without arrogantly trying anything simple; Saitama is literally more than millions of times stronger than her & she probably doesn't know it.

2. Succed in Empathically Manipulating someone based on sexual/romantic attraction/lust who is quite dispassionate, & IIRC, has shown little to no sexual interest at all; Her petrification powers supposedly can NOT work on those who don't feel "affection" for her.

3. Ensure he isn't sufficiently concentrated otherwise (not hard) & experiencing of her beauty. Since being blindfolded can stop it, isn't it reasonable not looking at her could cause it to be avoided?

4. Not get hit by any of Saitama's attacks, including the massive AoE of his shockwaves if he punches hard enough. (Although, I'm not sure those may break her 7-A Durability.)

In any case, I'm not sure it's that easy for her, but, this is an open debate.
 
Imaginym said:
I didn't think of Boa as an Empathic Manipulation user. Supposedly, she is, but from what I've seen of the anime, I recall her power mostly working on fodder marines who simply thought she was attractive. And in fact, most of her Amazoness subjects thought of her as the most attractive woman, too.

Who has it worked on, & what's the basis for Empathic Manipulation? Has Saitama ever shown sexual or romantic interest in anyone, especially post-training? He seems dispassionate & his primary motivation is the thrill of a real fight.

I bring all this up because:

Weaknesses: She cannot swim and becomes immobilized if more than half of her body is covered in water, she is extremely arrogant, Her Devil Fruit's passive ability does not work on someone who isn't attracted to her (Example: Luffy), or is feeling an emotion far superior at the time they would feel lust for her (Momonga was able to not be affected during the time she used her powers due to feeling the pain of him stabbing himself more than his lust for her)

And yes, her blows & projectiles could also induce it, but:

"However, sufficient concentration, being blind or blindfolded (and thus unable to experience Hancock's beauty), or simply lacking any sort of affection for Hancock can nullify these effects. On the other hand, she can also petrify her foes with her physical attacks as well as her techniques, regardless of whether or not the target feels lust for her, even working on inanimate objects or machines like Pacifistas. But this use of her powers will only affect the area struck rather than the entirety of the target's body."

Also:

Tier: Unknow, At least 7-B, probably 7-A, possibly higher

Boa is 7-A, maybe higher. Saitama is At Least High 6-A. It's true she could be higher, but to go from peak 7-A to baseline High 6-A, if I'm doing my math based on the Attack Potency chart right, you would have to multiply by: 4,969,552,501.2 times.

Meaning that Saitama's statistics are roughly a little higher than FIVE BILLION TIMES HIGHER.

If she only manages to partially petrify him, or just uses basic attacks or doesn't go for petrification from the getgo, even a VERY small portion of Saitama's AP would be sufficient to one shot her. If he can breathe with a slight amount of his AP, she'd probably die.

The risk for her of Boa not going for petrification first isn't helped by 1 of the weaknesses listed on her profile being that she's arrogant. Looking down on someone could make her just try attacking with haki or such.

So let's recap. For Boa to win, she has to:

1. Overcome her arrogance weakness & not assume this bald, non-amazon man in a dorky outfit is a threat, & use her petrification abilities ASAP, without arrogantly trying anything simple; Saitama is literally more than millions of times stronger than her & she probably doesn't know it.

2. Succed in Empathically Manipulating someone based on sexual/romantic attraction/lust who is quite dispassionate, & IIRC, has shown little to no sexual interest at all; Her petrification powers supposedly can NOT work on those who don't feel "affection" for her.

3. Ensure he isn't sufficiently concentrated otherwise (not hard) & experiencing of her beauty. Since being blindfolded can stop it, isn't it reasonable not looking at her could cause it to be avoided?

4. Not get hit by any of Saitama's attacks, including the massive AoE of his shockwaves if he punches hard enough. (Although, I'm not sure those may break her 7-A Durability.)

In any case, I'm not sure it's that easy for her, but, this is an open debate.
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I think Boa does often lead with petrification in character. And given that Saitama has below average intellect iirc, making sure he's distracted doesn't seem like to much of a problem.

On top of that, Saitama often lets himself get hit by weaker opponents. If she wants to go in with a petrifying melee attack, Saitama might let her just to see how strong she is. If she aims for the face, it might be a wrap in that aspect given how her attacks ignore durability.
 
@MaverickIsTheHype: If I understand Boa's profile right, it's making sure her opponent ISN'T distracted. (Also, I don't disagree that her attacks ignore durability. It's that her own durability may be a few billion times weaker than Saitama's AP that may be the issue.)

"However, sufficient concentration, being blind or blindfolded (and thus unable to experience Hancock's beauty), or simply lacking any sort of affection for Hancock can nullify these effects."

Nonetheless, I can see the case that, supposing the petrification goes beyond the face, it would get Saitama oneshot, simply because he doesn't know that it will. So if he does that, he gets one shot.

(Yay, another Saitama match where both could oneshot.)
 
Oof. You right. Don't quote posts that large.

I also want point out most people Saitama fight also aim for the face ovo.

Wish I could bump the thread right about now.
 
As I recall, Hancock has already induced love in animals and people who have never seen her before (People of the opposite sex, such as Domino of Impel Down staff). So, yes, if Saitama is a living being and is capable of feeling love, he will immediately fall in love with her, and will transformed in stone.
 
And by Saitama's personality, would not he let Hancock attack first?
 
He would. He normally lets his opponent knock him around for a few minutes or so until he gets bored and strikes back. And what's Saitama like in terms of his durability? Does he not feel pain unless it's a threat he needs to take seriously? And how would that work with Boa's ability to negate durability?
 
Rei Rubro said:
As I recall, Hancock has already induced love in animals and people who have never seen her before (People of the opposite sex, such as Domino of Impel Down staff). So, yes, if Saitama is a living being and is capable of feeling love, he will immediately fall in love with her, and will transformed in stone.
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I'm wondering if that isn't some sort of NLF. Luffy is definitely not romance or sex driven himself, & his profile lacks any mention of Resistance to Empathic Manipulation, & is very clearly unaffected.

Quoting her weakness section: "Her Devil Fruit's passive ability does not work on someone who isn't attracted to her (Example: Luffy)"

(Also, it could be argued from this: "or is feeling an emotion far superior at the time they would feel lust for her (Momonga was able to not be affected during the time she used her powers due to feeling the pain of him stabbing himself more than his lust for her)" that Saitama might be unaffected not only for his lack of... "affection" for her, but for desiring the thrill of a real fight. But that might be a weak case. It could be that he's in such a state in this battle, but I'm not sure Saitama shows even that emotion very strongly.
 
Saitama only let's people that look like they could be a threat attack him, while one shotting fodder without a second thought. And to him Boa would be just a random chick so he will go for the one shot from the start. Question is would he be affected by her Mero Mero no Mi, since it doesn't have an effect on Luffy I would say the effectiveness on Saitma is questionable.
 
Imaginym said:
I didn't think of Boa as an Empathic Manipulation user. Supposedly, she is, but from what I've seen of the anime, I recall her power mostly working on fodder marines who simply thought she was attractive. And in fact, most of her Amazoness subjects thought of her as the most attractive woman, too.
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Hancock's powers works on animals (correct me if I'm wrong but RL snails are asexual and Hancock petrified a transponder snail) and non-organic beings such as the Pacifistas (Perfume Femur).

Who has it worked on, & what's the basis for Empathic Manipulation? Has Saitama ever shown sexual or romantic interest in anyone, especially post-training? He seems dispassionate & his primary motivation is the thrill of a real fight.
Hancock doesn't have Empathic Manipulation aside from the Conqueror Haki which is meaningless here. She manipulates people to make them feel attraction and then she petrifies them exploiting that.

Her Devil Fruit's passive ability does not work on someone who isn't attracted to her (Example: Luffy), or is feeling an emotion far superior at the time they would feel lust for her (Momonga was able to not be affected during the time she used her powers due to feeling the pain of him stabbing himself more than his lust for her)
This is assuming Saitama wouldn't feel attraction which is a big assumption. And he doesn't have the knowledge about Hancock's powers to prepare himself before being turned into stone.

Meaning that Saitama's statistics are roughly a little higher than FIVE BILLION TIMES HIGHER.
Hax doesn't care about AP tho.

The risk for her of Boa not going for petrification first isn't helped by 1 of the weaknesses listed on her profile being that she's arrogant. Looking down on someone could make her just try attacking with haki or such.
Ignoring the fact that everysingle time she has fought she uses the petrification. Only instance when this didn't happen was against Smoker. Her weakness isn't a combat weakness because she nearly always goes for the petrification.

3. Ensure he isn't sufficiently concentrated otherwise (not hard) & experiencing of her beauty. Since being blindfolded can stop it, isn't it reasonable not looking at her could cause it to be avoided?
Saitama doesn't dodge often tho. His In-Character mindset let the enemy attack first. That's why he often loses against characters with hax in the wiki.

4. Not get hit by any of Saitama's attacks, including the massive AoE of his shockwaves if he punches hard enough. (Although, I'm not sure those may break her 7-A Durability.)
First, Saitama doesn't open the battle. The enemy does. Second, a High 6-A shockwave would vaporize a 7-A durability. But this won't happen here. Hancock aims for the head using Perfume Femur. Once he touch Saitama's face it turns into stone nulling the durability difference. And don't bring the skill gap because that's even worst for Saitama since this match has speed equalized.
 
Rei Rubro said:
As I recall, Hancock has already induced love in animals and people who have never seen her before (People of the opposite sex, such as Domino of Impel Down staff). So, yes, if Saitama is a living being and is capable of feeling love, he will immediately fall in love with her, and will transformed in stone.
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What? Are you implying Luffy is not capable of feeling love?

And the people of the opposite sex also were startled by her beauty, so they at the very least found her atractive. And pretty sure the snake also found her hot, the transporter snails are pretty constantly depicted with having feelings.

She can stone objects as well, but people not finding her atractive obviously counters her petrification. This is so blatant. And Saitam gives zero ***** for people like Blizzard of Hell.

And Saitama rarely tanks like that. There are instances where he did, but people like Boros are a special case, and the other one that comes to mind is Kabuto, and he was in shock there and wasn't even thinking about Kabuto himself.

In-fact, I remember him dodging plenty times, like most of the genos fight, against Beast King and against sonic. And the sheer fact that she is as fast as him would get his hopes up and go and make him actually put effort into it.
 
"Hancock's powers works on animals (correct me if I'm wrong but RL snails are asexual and Hancock petrified a transponder snail) and non-organic beings such as the Pacifistas (Perfume Femur)."

A toonforce-esque argument could be made about the animals & Transponder snails. Also, in the case of Pacifistas, wasn't that by physically striking them? Because her profile does seem to addres that:

"On the other hand, she can also petrify her foes with her physical attacks as well as her techniques, regardless of whether or not the target feels lust for her, even working on inanimate objects or machines like Pacifistas. But this use of her powers will only affect the area struck rather than the entirety of the target's body."

Hax vs AP wasn't my point. I'm aware her hax oneshots if she lands it. The point of that statement was that even a very light hit from Saitama could one shot her, if he did so.

You claim she doesn't have it except with Conqueror's Haki, but her current profile's Powers & Abilities section says: "Empathic Manipulation and Petrification with the Melo Melo Fruit." Anyway, that's revision material if she doesn't have it, not relevant here.

I'm aware of why Saitama loses so often.

"'Meaning that Saitama's statistics are roughly a little higher than FIVE BILLION TIMES HIGHER.'

Hax doesn't care about AP tho."

I wasn't going to bring up the skill gap. Saitama is often clueless, & has no formal martial arts training. Boa is one of the seven Warlords.

Good points, though. Thank you for the response.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Rei Rubro said:
As I recall, Hancock has already induced love in animals and people who have never seen her before (People of the opposite sex, such as Domino of Impel Down staff). So, yes, if Saitama is a living being and is capable of feeling love, he will immediately fall in love with her, and will transformed in stone.
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What? Are you implying Luffy is not capable of feeling love?
And the people of the opposite sex also were startled by her beauty, so they at the very least found her atractive. And pretty sure the snake also found her hot, the transporter snails are pretty constantly depicted with having feelings.

She can stone objects as well, but people not finding her atractive obviously counters her petrification. This is so blatant. And Saitam gives zero ***** for people like Blizzard of Hell.

And Saitama rarely tanks like that. There are instances where he did, but people like Boros are a special case, and the other one that comes to mind is Kabuto, and he was in shock there and wasn't even thinking about Kabuto himself.

In-fact, I remember him dodging plenty times, like most of the genos fight, against Beast King and against sonic. And the sheer fact that she is as fast as him would get his hopes up and go and make him actually put effort into it.
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Yes, Luffy is not capable of feeling sexual love for someone, Luffy is an extremely pure person, he has never even felt sexual attraction for anything. To say that the same thing would happen to Saitama because he did not give the ball to a character like Fubuki is an alarming fallacy.

Luffy was the only character in the verse that did not fall into the charms of Hancock (Love inducement), when even asexual animals fell.

And Hancock's Slave Arrow allows her to petrify everything her arrows make contact with, even lifeless objects like cannonballs.
 
Don't qoute walls of text, please.

There is a huge difference between not feeling love and not being horny. Wanting to **** something is hardly love, and Saitama has repeteadly not cared for hot people and foung them annoying instead.

Both me and Imag have answered the snail one, stop using that as a reason. Hell, she specifically needed to pose and act nice to stone the girls, so it's not like she can do it to everyone.

And Saitama would merely dodge the arrows and such, get exited for the first thing as fast as him, and accidentally blast her with a shockwave.
 
Why would he bother dodging the arrows? Seems more likely he would catch them like when he fought Sonic which is gg.
 
You mean the sword? He was frustrated as hell there.


Here he would get his hopes up that she is an equal to him, and she would use her bullet as that is what she tends to use at this range. Which would fail.
 
Ok...

So, let me try to understand you, if Saitama did not feel horny for a hot woman, would not he feel for any other? Even if this woman has a specific power to make others feel such emotion? And as far as I remember, Fubuki never even tried to seduce him.

Saitama is in character, he has no wisdom about the powers of the opponent, so he would not dodge from the arrows, since he usually lets the opponent always attack first since he expects to be hurt by them, and speed is equal, Hancock can do a shower of arrows at once, making conventional dodge impossible. Also, I'm not sure if Saitama will actually try to dodge, as he does not dodge from any hits, at most defending them with another attack (which is useless here).
 
A toonforce-esque argument could be made about the animals & Transponder snails. Also, in the case of Pacifistas, wasn't that by physically striking them? Because her profile does seem to addres that:

Toonforce-esque? What?

I said her powers works on inanimate beings. Being with strikes or with the Mero Mero Merrow doesn't matter since all of them works based on the Devil Fruit powers.

Hax vs AP wasn't my point. I'm aware her hax oneshots if she lands it. The point of that statement was that even a very light hit from Saitama could one shot her, if he did so.

Of course he can one-shot. Don't see the point on bringing this up. He's High 6-A, there's no doubt that he'd one-shot Hancock.

You claim she doesn't have it except with Conqueror's Haki, but her current profile's Powers & Abilities section says: "Empathic Manipulation and Petrification with the Melo Melo Fruit." Anyway, that's revision material if she doesn't have it, not relevant here.

The profile is wrong. I'll make a revision later. He usually tricks her victims to induce lust or make them find her atractive.

@Ricsi

With speed equal an arrow spam would likely hit before. And Saitama doesn't usually gets excited for people who's fast but strong.

I don't remember the transponder snail having feelings. When people comunicates throught them they simply mimic the person's expresions. And still the cannonballs don't have feelings and Hancock still petrifies them.
 
He wouldn't remotly care what she looks like if he tought she can give him a challenge, no.

Ususally let's his oponents hit? He doesn't, no. Neraly every time he did was due to an outside factor, like the shock of loosing out on a sale or having had his nerves stretched for the entire day. He very much does dodge even against absolute fodder like the Beast King.

And again, she would use the bullet here, not the arrows. The arrows never realy hit past a few tnes of meters at most, while the shot actually hit Lufy from pretty damn far.


Calaca

I remember the snails being afraid at one point, but I honestly can't remember it. But instead of toonforce, it was more of a gag that he meant. But her powers obviously need lust to work, that was made as clear as day. Of course, she has some powers that petrify regardless, but her shot is not one of them for sure, and that is her best range thing that I remember.
 
He wouldn't remotly care what she looks like if he tought she can give him a challenge, no.

Just because she's fast he won't give a care. He cares for strong people, not fast people.

And again, she would use the bullet here, not the arrows. The arrows never realy hit past a few tnes of meters at most, while the shot actually hit Lufy from pretty damn far.

The range difference is meaningless. The fact that Luffy wasn't petrified by attacks that would petrify inanimate beings and things (Pacifistas and cannonballs) it's something you can't argue for Saitama.

She kicks Saitama's head and boom, his bald head is petrified. Then Hancock kicks a second time and he dies for having his head broken.
 
She is the fastest person he ever saw in his life, and he only one remotly comparable to him. He hoped that Vaccine Man could give him a challenge, this is much more.

Yes I can. Her profile litirally makes the distinction to point out that her powers work on those that find her horny, and she even needed to pose to actually affect the girls, which should work regardless if she could affect inanimate things normally. Her kicks and arrows work on other characters, but neither is exactly the best ranged opinion, and I'm pretty sure that she tends to get close more often then use the arrows.

If she goes for a kick he dodges and taps her. Or raises his hand to parry, and her leg gets completly oblitarated, at the cost of his hand.
 
Vaccine Man, the monster with no speed feats AFAIK. He hopes that for power, not speed. Speed is meaningless unless you can do something to the enemy. Hancock can't w/o her powers.

Nobody has ever tried to seduce Saitama. I could say that since nobody has ever tried to mindhax Hancock she's resistant to it and it'd be the same. Saitama's mindset let people do whatever they want before the battle. He even let Boros transform so he'll let Hancock do what she wants.

She used the arrows before getting close to the marines and pirates. So that was her opening attack

Okay, when has Saitama blocked an attack ever? You have a point about dodging but claiming that he blocks without scans isn't the same.
 
@Risci

Your point about this is stupid because will does not justify loss of emotions, and you have no concrete point to affirm that Saitama is unable to feel sexual love as Luffy is.

The distance of both will be no more than 10 meters, there is no reason for her not to use her fatal blow instead of a blow that will not even scratch the opponent. I see no reason for her not to use her Slave Arrow and defeat Saitama instantly.
 
Dude, she would be the fastest being he ever saw. Saitama expected someone who had nothing comparable to him to put up a better fight, someone that is plain comparable to him would make him intrested.

Saitama still doesn't remotly care about it, and Boa would not cross two kilometers of distance just to try and seduce him. And really, Boros? Boros was a completly different deal, he did that out of pity.

So she will cross kilometers instead of using stuff like bullets, and Saitama will also be crossing kilometers instead of just slapping in her direction and being done with it?

Plenty of times. He almost always either blocks or dodges.
 
With speed equalized and the skill gap and experience he won't land an attack so easily if it's not a shockwave which is OoC.

What was due to pity was the final answer he gave to him. He let him power up to see how strong he was.

Scans, your claims don't help me.
 
OOC? Nearly all of his attacks cause shockwaves.

No, he didn't. He simply symphatised with him, as was mad obvious by him trying to lie by saying that boros was a hard fight.

You didn't really give scans about him tanking attacks in his normal mentality, did you?
 
I remember only two shockwaves. One that didn't destroy Genos's head and the one he used against Boros. One is meaningless since even Genos was unharmed and the other happened after Boros attempted to destroy the surface of Earth.

He let Boros transform. You can't deny that. If he wasn't thinking of Boros being a threat before knowing how strong he truly was then he'd have one-shoted him like he does with the rest of non-threats characters.

Because I stopped arguing about the tank argument and conceded you about him dodging since I remember those instances. Now you're arguing for him blocking attacks and I could say that if those parries don't destroy the enemies's body it's unlikely that Hancock's body would be destroyed.
 
It not destroy Genos' head was abolutely bull and you know it. And he also made shockwaves against the Giant Centipede and Sea King. Sweet Mask was specifically impressed/disgusted (Because someone like saitama just can't be strong because he's too ugly) because he didn't touch it.
 
In the manga the shockwave only moved dust so Genos's head doesn't getting vaporized it's perfectly fine to me. The anime is inconsistent with that part.

I don't remember Saitama using a shockwave against Elder Centipede. Sea King yes, but that was the side effect of his punch. At close range Hancock dodges the punch and the shockwave is generated behind her. He doesn't use Shockwaves as an offensive method. It's just the after effect.

Dunno what are you talking about Sweet Mask? Is it in the webcomic? I haven't read it yet.
 
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