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Uryu Ishida Vs. Sasuke Uchiha

ZephyrosOmega

ZephyrosOmega

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Because the last one kinda died, and this one has stronker versions.

Both are High 6-A, and speed is equalized. Who wins?

Uryu Ishida:

Sasuke Uchiha:

Inconclusive:
 
i mean... both have ways to win easily here , sasuke via genjutsu and ishida via the Antithesis switching sasuke state to whatever damaged thing lying around .

wich one is more likely to happen first ? i'd say sasuke genjutsu . ishida doesn't spam the Antithesis or lead with it .

hate to say it but genjutsu is op against anyone who doesn't have a way to break out of it or know how it work .
 
ZephyrosOmega said:
Warren Valion said:
What's to stop Uryu from swapping Sasuke's existence to a crushed leaf?
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That being an NLF as he hasn't shown anything near that level
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in that case, i guess that we can't say that genjutsu work on souls because it never shown the ability to do that ?
 
ZephyrosOmega said:
Warren Valion said:
What's to stop Uryu from swapping Sasuke's existence to a crushed leaf?
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That being an NLF as he hasn't shown anything near that level
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Yes, he has. It's called The Antithesis, said ability allows him to switch the "states" between any two objects he desires.

He has shown that he could switch the damage between himself and Juram.

I don't really see why it is a no limits fallacy, it's just how the power works, and when the SBA makes them in central park, there are plenty of trees and plenty of leaves to do it with.
 
Warren Valion said:
ZephyrosOmega said:
Warren Valion said:
What's to stop Uryu from swapping Sasuke's existence to a crushed leaf?
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That being an NLF as he hasn't shown anything near that level
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Yes, he has. It's called The Antithesis, said ability allows him to switch the "states" between any two objects he desires.
He has shown that he could switch the damage between himself and Juram.

I don't really see why it is a no limits fallacy, it's just how the power works, and when the SBA makes them in central park, there are plenty of trees and plenty of leaves to do it with.
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Transferring wounds is completely different from instantly turning someone into a leaf. I'm well aware of what the Antithesis is.
 
Naeblis495 said:
ZephyrosOmega said:
Warren Valion said:
What's to stop Uryu from swapping Sasuke's existence to a crushed leaf?
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That being an NLF as he hasn't shown anything near that level
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in that case, i guess that we can't say that genjutsu work on souls because it never shown the ability to do that ?
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Genjutsu manipulates Chakra, which is similar to reishi. Verse Equalization and all.
 
ZephyrosOmega said:
Transferring wounds is completely different from instantly turning someone into a leaf. I'm well aware of what the Antithesis is.
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I never said it would transmute Sasuke.

I said it would trade their existence, what I meant by that was their state.

I'm saying Uryu could just crush a leaf and then trades the leaf's state with Sasuke, and then Sasuke would be dead.
 
ZephyrosOmega said:
Naeblis495 said:
ZephyrosOmega said:
Warren Valion said:
What's to stop Uryu from swapping Sasuke's existence to a crushed leaf?
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That being an NLF as he hasn't shown anything near that level
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in that case, i guess that we can't say that genjutsu work on souls because it never shown the ability to do that ?
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Genjutsu manipulates Chakra, which is similar to reishi. Verse Equalization and all.
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the Antithesis switch the state between two target . no problem with him switching sasuke state with a broken object state .
 
TheC2 said:
No. No, no, no! Not this again! Oh God!
This was a train wreck last time! And it's going down the exact same route!!
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Statements like this are the actual reason threads end up being "unmanageable". People are just debating, they aren't going at each others' throats. That said...

@Warren

Does Uryu uses that in-character starting a fight?
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Statements like this are the actual reason threads end up being "unmanageable". People are just debating, they aren't going at each others' throats. That said...

@Warren

Does Uryu uses that in-character starting a fight?
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I'm not entirely sure, he used The Antithesis defensively in his fight with Jugram, which ended up biting him in the ass because of Jugram's The Balance. And that was really the only fight he used it in.

Here are the fight links:

It is speculated, however, that he used it offensively against Yhwach in the final battle. As a keynote in the final fight is that the arrow (something that Power Nulls Yhwach temporarily) appeared to have entered Yhwach from his back...but Uryu was in front of Yhwach...meaning that Uryu had to have used Anti-Thesis to get the arrow to Yhwach's back, he didn't fire it at Yhwach in the first place. He had to have used his Anti-Thesis. So he possibly has used it offensively.

Here's the scan: https://i.imgur.com/CPmiFHy.png

But going from his fight with Jugram, he'll probably use it defensively, which would still **** Sasuke over.

So I have to say that he wouldn't start with it.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
TheC2 said:
No. No, no, no! Not this again! Oh God!
This was a train wreck last time! And it's going down the exact same route!!
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Statements like this are the actual reason threads end up being "unmanageable". People are just debating, they aren't going at each others' throats. That said...
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Maybe I overreacted a little, but my experience with this topic doesn't fill me with much confidence. I honestly consider those to be some of the most fustrating and exhaustive experiences in all my time as a member. Also, threads can get unmanageable for many reasons, but you are free to your opinion and I'm not going to fight you on it.

As for the debate itself, Antithesis works by reversing events that have already occurred between the two targets. The two targets have to actually have interacted with each other. There has to be something between to even reverse in the first place.
 
@TheC2

What I said was a hyperbole. However, those statements annoy people, which then leads to shitstorms. Specially when the thread is actually going quite nicely. Same with stuff like posting "no" every hax vs hax thread. Just explain why the match doesn't work and go on.

But enough about that, let's get back to the fight! ovo

@Warren

So Sasuke may have a winning condition right off the bat through genjutsu, though I don't remember if he starts with it in this form. Heck, I don't even remember this form! ovo May remind myself about what Sasuke can do here from the profile then comeback.
 
IIRC, Sasuke doesn't really ever start with Genjutsu, he's more likely to spam Amaterasu for offensive and use the Susanoo for defense. It has been a long time since I saw anything Naruto though, so I might be wrong.

And if Uryu gets hit with Amaterasu, then he would just use The Antithesis to switch his state with Sasuke.

AFAIK, the only Uchiha that starts with Genjutsu is Itachi.
 
Warren Valion said:
IIRC, Sasuke doesn't really ever start with Genjutsu, he's more likely to spam Amaterasu for offensive and use the Susanoo for defense. It has been a long time since I saw anything Naruto though, so I might be wrong.
And if Uryu gets hit with Amaterasu, then he would just use The Antithesis to switch his state with Sasuke.

AFAIK, the only Uchiha that starts with Genjutsu is Itachi.
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Sasuke can turn off amateratsu with his eye, and its worth mentioning that is very slow when it burns.
 
Okay then.

Well, if this is Sasuke in the Susanoo, and Uryu mainly uses a long-range weapon, then I don't think he will mindhax him.

I'd probably give it to Uryu for his cunning in a fight and with him eventually using The Antithesis.

Wait, what are the AP values?
 
Genjutsu can still hit tailbeast from very far away while in mid-combat. I don't think Uryu can handle Sasuke.
 
The problem is Sasuke isn't alone. Ishida will have a problem with deciding who is the attacker because Senjutsu enchanted Susanno has Jugo along with it.
 
And immediately used it against both Danzo (correct me here if I'm wrong) and Orochimaru in their respective fights, If I remember correctly.
 
AstralKing7 said:
No he actually doesn't rarely use genjutsu. He used genjutsu in that same arc
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Just because he used it in an arc, doesn't mean that he doesn't rarely use it.

Sasuke uses his Sharingan for its offensive properties more than its Genjutsu.

Look at his fight with Danzo for instance, he spamed Amasterasu and uses his Susanoo for defense, it was only until he was almost blinded that he decided to trick Danzo with a small Genjutsu.

Like he used Genjutsu, but only when it was the only way to win, so I'd say it is fair to say he rarely uses Genjutsu.
 
He put Zetsu, and all of the tailed beast into genjutsu and Sakura in the same arc. What makes u think he rarely uses genjutsu???
 
AstralKing7 said:
He put Zetsu, and all of the tailed beast into genjutsu and Sakura in the same arc. What makes u think he rarely uses genjutsu???
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Didn't he do that to further his plans? That's stripping away context, IIRC.

And Tailed Beasts?

Isn't that Rinegan Sasuke or Sage of Six Paths Sasuke, this is EMS Sasuke (Juugo Curse Mark and Kyuubi Cloak), who AFAIK, didn't do stuff like that.

Unless of course, if you are counting the entire ******* war arc. Well then, yeah, he used it, but the arc is enormously long, so that's not entirely fair or accurate.

But he doesn't spam it or use it often as his means of attacking.
 
The question shouldn't be if Sasuke will use it, the question should be if he will decide to do it before is too late.
 
He did it to Sakura and the Beasts so they wouldn't interfere in the fight between Naruto and him. Also, he wanted to use the Beasts as batteries.
 
I think Yhwach and Aizen vs Kaguya were banned.

Mainly because even CIS Yhwach casually solos the HST.

The god tiers were banned from fighting anyone from the opposing Verse.
 
No, using genjutsu isn't anything Sasuke either commonly does or starts with. If he's hurried, not really wanting to bother or whatever else, he's more likely to rely on it. Just see his battle at the Kage Summit, putting Genjutsu on A's sensor attendant and then battling the hyper fast beast without trying to Genjutsu even once.He doesn't even really try with any of the Kage, and tries only once momentarily to **** up Danzo's perception and kill him.
 
LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
No, using genjutsu isn't anything Sasuke either commonly does or starts with. If he's hurried, not really wanting to bother or whatever else, he's more likely to rely on it. Just see his battle at the Kage Summit, putting Genjutsu on A's sensor attendant and then battling the hyper fast beast without trying to Genjutsu even once.He doesn't even really try with any of the Kage, and tries only once momentarily to **** up Danzo's perception and kill him.
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Exactly.
 
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