Daewi Han Vs Ūryu ishida

[Specterxxxx]

Daewi Han VS Ūryu Ishida

• Fight takes place at an abandoned earth with no humans.
• Daewi is in his full power of the jade emperor key, while Uryu is in his post awakening key.
• Daewi Han starts at 27.67 ZettaFoe but can go anywhere higher with karate and blade of tagatha and increase his power with AD. Uryu Ishida starts at Base 122.26 Zettafoe, 368 Zettafoe with slavekrei amped volstanding, 1.226 Yottafoe with blut and 3.68 Yottafoe with slavekrei volstanding+ blut.
• Daewi Han has Multi Stellar LS while uryu has Class G.
• They both have limited knowledge on each other. Daewi knows exactly how powerful blut is and how it works and Uryu knows about his gravitational abilities and the full extent of it's potency. They only know these things and nothing else about their opponents.
• Speed is EQUALIZED.
• SBA Otherwise.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Uryu 0.0001 seconds into the fight:



Uryu 0.0002 seconds into the fight:

 

[Apotheosis69]

What can Uryu do about Daewi's very fundamental Physics Manipulation and even Matter destruction which is Sub-Atomic?
Could it be instant?

Lets not forget that since this is abandoned Earth and not Soul Society/Hueco Mundo… or any spiritual world, there is muuuch Reishi for him to use/absorb into Heilig Pfiel or even Sklaverei.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

With no knowledge Uryu can one shot with Antithesis.

 

[DavidTPPM]

With no knowledge Uryu can one shot with Antithesis.

Doesn't he need to consciously activate it? Kidna hard when your entire body falls apart down to the very quarks that make it up

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Doesn't he need to consciously activate it? Kidna hard when your entire body falls apart down to the very quarks that make it up

It’s instant event swap between 2 objects. This Uryu is a long range fighter spamming danmaku style attacks with flight.

 

[DavidTPPM]

It’s instant event swap between 2 objects.

Yeah but it needs to be consciously activated for the swap to happen so it can't safe him from a one shot.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Yeah but it needs to be consciously activated for the swap to happen so it can't safe him from a one shot.

It definitely can unless his head is gone. There are many different ways to one shot someone.

How exactly is he going to hit him with that attack? I presume it’s the one you posted above based off of profile description.

 

[DavidTPPM]

It definitely can unless his head is gone. There are many different ways to one shot someone.

How exactly is he going to hit him with that attack? I presume it’s the one you posted above based off of profile description.

That's exactly how it works.

Even there Zeus only got hit in his upper body alone just because he's so huge and Daewi was trying to snipe other gods with the same attack.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Bro... Uryu quite literally can't do anything about that. And it being the Strong Force... that's Macro-Quantum deconstruction... due to Quarks

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

That's exactly how it works.

Even there Zeus only got hit in his upper body alone just because he's so huge and Daewi was trying to snipe other gods with the same attack.

How will that attack hit Uryu mid-flight while Daewi is being bombarded by danmaku attacks with at least 5x starting AP advantage?

This is a stationary target.

 

[Apotheosis69]

How will that attack hit Uryu mid-flight while Daewi is being bombarded by danmaku attacks with at least 5x starting AP advantage?

This is a stationary target.

That was literally from the Light of the sun... And he could do it with anything... like just the air around him

 

[DavidTPPM]

How will that attack hit Uryu mid-flight while Daewi is being bombarded by danmaku attacks with at least 5x starting AP advantage?

How would it not? The range is ridiculously massive and Daewi dwarfs Uryu in skill to a ridiculous extent.

It'd be like a professional sniper trying to hit a pigeon except his gun produces nuclear explosions 10x the size of the one that dropped on Hiroshima

This is a stationary target.

And Uryu isn't?
Uryu is getting mind-fu©ked by passive fear and crushed by gravity trillions of times stronger than his own LS.

I mean Daewi would still no diff snipe him even if he was at full potential due to the frankly absurd skill difference but yk

 

[DarkFurious25]

Even if Daewi couldn't physically dodge of Uryu's multiple attacks, he could simply use his spatial manipulation to do so, as he did with Satan (someone who was stronger than him).

 

[Duedate8898]

This looks like a case of whoever hits first as neither looks capable of resisting the others hax, and both have some ability to avoid one another's attacks or fortify against them, though Uuryu does have the AP advantage to start which Daewi can close.

Daewi can be a bit of coinflip in whether or not he starts off going for fatal attacks, but I think it more likely than not he attempts martial arts first while adding his abilities on top of that. Uuryu is liable to stick with his normal arrows and not employ any of his hax lethally to start which would give room for Daewi to realize his general weaker status without his hax and for Uuryu to be made wary of what abilities Daewi has. They'd both probably end up going for kill moves around the same time, and there I'd
probably end up voting for Daewi due to him having an easier chance landing his fatal attacks versus Uuryu. And while Uuryu is capable of reversing any damage he takes with Anti-Thesis, I think it more likely that Daewi finishes him off before he can do the swap.

I vote Daewi

 

[Specterxxxx]

That's exactly how it works.

Even there Zeus only got hit in his upper body alone just because he's so huge and Daewi was trying to snipe other gods with the same attack.

Based off this, zeus senses something coming before it happens, what's stopping uryu from perceiving this and using heinryanku to dodge. Also the fear manip wouldn't be as effective as you think. Uryu consistently fights opponents pre thousand year blood war that can one shot him, he is going fight through it and even potentially go full power because of that.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Even if Daewi couldn't physically dodge of Uryu's multiple attacks, he could simply use his spatial manipulation to do so, as he did with Satan (someone who was stronger than him).

This isn't working against omnidirectional attacks from uryu going volstanding. And uryu has FTE techniques to go at daewi from multiple spots.

How would it not? The range is ridiculously massive and Daewi dwarfs Uryu in skill to a ridiculous extent.

Uryu is not going engage in a cqc with daewi, he is long range fighter and he is going to continually flash step to a far distance from daewi that daewi is going to continually try to reach everytime making giving uryu the advantage here.

It'd be like a professional sniper trying to hit a pigeon except his gun produces nuclear explosions 10x the size of the one that dropped on Hiroshima

I don't get this analogy, please elaborate.

EDIT: I do get it now.

And Uryu isn't?
Uryu is getting mind-fu©ked by passive fear and crushed by gravity trillions of times stronger than his own LS.

Passive fear isn't going to make uryu stand in one position. He can fight through it and also based off daewi's his profile his gravity crush only increases the actual gravity of the earth not apply his multi stellar LS. Uryu can use shadow to get out of range to another distance.

I mean Daewi would still no diff snipe him even if he was at full potential due to the frankly absurd skill difference but yk

Skill difference isn't really stopping uryu from going long range and sniping. Uryu doesn't physically engage opponents often he goes a distance and start spaming Homing arrows.

 

[Specterxxxx]

In character, Daewi’s first tactical option would likely be gravity manipulation to restrict Uryū’s movement. However, Uryū can immediately evade this by using shadow portals, relocating himself outside the effective range of the gravitational field. Once Daewi realizes that this method is ineffective in securing Uryū, he is unlikely to rely on gravity manipulation in the same straightforward manner again. From that point onward, Uryū would remain cautious of any further gravity-based attempts and would deliberately avoid close-quarters engagement, where Daewi is at his strongest.


It is also important to note that Uryū is fundamentally a long-range combatant, whereas Daewi excels in close and mid-range combat. After experiencing Daewi’s superior physical skill early on (this is already assuming Daewi is even able to force an initial engagement), Uryū would have no incentive to fight him directly. With pseudo-flight and Hirenkyaku, Uryū can rapidly reposition across vast distances and maintain long-range spacing, continually sniping Daewi from afar. Even with equalized speed, closing this distance would be extremely difficult for Daewi, especially against a mobile ranged specialist who is actively avoiding engagement.


At extended range, Uryū remains extremely dangerous. His mastery of Quincy archery grants him exceptional precision and accuracy, even at extreme distances. He can freely control the trajectory of multiple arrows simultaneously, fire up to 1,200 arrows at once, and increase this output further through Licht Regen. While Daewi does possess the means to counter or mitigate this level of projectile pressure, it would require constant attention and resource expense on his part. This is all base mind you, uryu in character wouldn't go full power if he knows he can win without it so he wouldn't from the start of the fight go full power.


In character, Daewi would also be unlikely to immediately resort to his strongest options, such as strong force manipulation. Even if he did attempt to use it early, the activation and buildup of such attacks can be detected, giving Uryū ample opportunity to evade. As a highly intelligent and analytical fighter, Uryū would not deliberately tank an attack he can avoid, especially when he has superior mobility and range control.


If Daewi’s AD or martial skill begins to pose a serious threat, Uryū can escalate by going full power. At that stage, Uryū can trap Daewi using Fletcher constructs and detonate them with Daewi confined inside. And daewi gets annihilated by the 132× times difference in AP.

If uryu sustains any non lethal or lethal damages that do not kill him ri instantly, he is going to swap that with daewi.

 

[M2u12]

After skimming through it, it seems like Daewi's main problem would be danmaku and long-range attacks.

But danmaku really shouldn't be an issue for Daewi at all, since he can use telekinesis/gravity manipulation around himself to stop Uryu's danmaku and pin his arrows to the ground or used Zero Friction to ignore all physical damage.

For long-range attacks, if Uryu wants to keep his distance from Daewi, I’m not sure he’d be able to do so effectively, since Daewi can pull a planet and hurl it at him if he tries to run away.

Which is all without even taking the Infinity Punch/Barrier into account.

 

[Specterxxxx]

After skimming through it, it seems like Daewi's main problem would be danmaku and long-range attacks.

If daewi does this, he would then be the one getting skill checked by uryu who is by far the superior long range and damanku fighter.

But danmaku really shouldn't be an issue for Daewi at all, since he can use telekinesis/gravity manipulation around himself to stop Uryu's danmaku and pin his arrows to the ground or used Zero Friction to ignore all physical damage.

He isn't ignoring a hole in where is his heart or brains is supposed to be. Uryu is ruthless, he consistently aims for specific organs especially when he is going for the kill and he can target these organs from a pretty huge distance.

If he uses zero friction to block the attacks coming, its gonna be very funny when he sees uryu change the trajectory of the arrow as soon as his about to block it. Or slime him with omnidirectional arrows like Licht regen that shooting thousands of arrows per shot or even go full volstanding and starts going full creative mode on daewi.

For long-range attacks, if Uryu wants to keep his distance from Daewi, I’m not sure he’d be able to do so effectively, since Daewi can pull a planet and hurl it at him if he tries to run away.

I mean this is very ooc for daewi to do very early on, this is already assuming uryu hasn't already killed him early with blut enhanced arrows to the chest or head. But even if he does this, Uryu can simply remove both him and daewi out of the battle to heuco mondo with his shadow teleportation, which doesn't need a reishi transformer to change daewi's body to reishi. It does this automically.

Which is all without even taking the Infinity Punch/Barrier into account.

Would this protect daewi from getting detonated when he is surrounded by multiple flechers and exploded on. Thats already assuming the barrier can stop uryu from using blut enhanced arrows which he can at will change the trajectory to land on any vital spot daewi has.

 

[Specterxxxx]

This looks like a case of whoever hits first as neither looks capable of resisting the others hax, and both have some ability to avoid one another's attacks or fortify against them, though Uuryu does have the AP advantage to start which Daewi can close.

Daewi can be a bit of coinflip in whether or not he starts off going for fatal attacks, but I think it more likely than not he attempts martial arts first while adding his abilities on top of that. Uuryu is liable to stick with his normal arrows and not employ any of his hax lethally to start which would give room for Daewi to realize his general weaker status without his hax and for Uuryu to be made wary of what abilities Daewi has. They'd both probably end up going for kill moves around the same time, and there I'd
probably end up voting for Daewi due to him having an easier chance landing his fatal attacks versus Uuryu. And while Uuryu is capable of reversing any damage he takes with Anti-Thesis, I think it more likely that Daewi finishes him off before he can do the swap.

I vote Daewi

The problem with this, is that a good portion of this win con depends on uryu engaging with daewi in CQC or melee range. Uryu is NOT gonna do that. He is going to keep kilometers worth of distance between him and daewi and start snipping him damanku attacks, each attack more powerful and more tricky than the last if daewi can successfully counter them. This is not saying daewi can't find him, he too can fly but uryu has heinryanku an FTE technique along with pseudo flight. He will be the one with superior mobility and its gonna take a lot for daewi who he can keep tabs on him to get to him faster than uryu flash stepping out of that position to another place. Heck, atp I don't even see uryu depending on the antithesis. His danmaku, precision, long range combat mentality, superior intelligence and the ability to become 30× more powerful gives him more control over the fight than daewi who has to get to him to win and all his extended range attacks can be dodged with flash step or shadow portals.

You really think daewi is gonna easily counter all that?

 

[M2u12]

If daewi does this, he would then be the one getting skill checked by uryu is by far the superior long range and damanku further.

He isn't ignoring a hole in where is his heart or brains is supposed to be. Uryu is ruthless, he consistently aims for specific organs especially when he is going for the kill and he can target this organs from a pretty huge distance.

For Daewi to have a hole in his body, Uryu's arrow would have to hit him first right...? And it could be avoided if Daewi did what I mentioned.

I mean this is very ooc for daewi to do very early on,

Why wouldn't Daewi do that, considering he already did something like this when he first obtained his new powers, after realizing that CQC alone wasn't enough to defeat his opponent.

this is already assuming uryu hasn't already killed him early with blut enhanced arrows to the chest or head.

Daewi could just use a repulsive force to push the arrow away or use weak force to destroy it.

But even if he does this. Uryu can simply remove both him and daewi out of the battle to heuco mondo with his shadow teleportation, which doesn't need a reishi transformer to change daewi's body to reishi. It does this automically.

It doesn’t stop Daewi from throwing a planet or a celestial body at him, or using a attraction force to pull Uryu into CQC range.

Would this protect daewi from getting detonated when he is surrounded by multiple flechers and exploded on.

I’d say yes. Just using it already bending surrounding space, so it can be argued that the arrow wouldn’t be able to hit him due to the bending of space around him.

Thats already assuming the barrier can stop uryu from using blut enhanced arrows which he can at will change the trajectory to land on any vital spot daewi has.

Infinity Punch/Barrier is a combination of all four fundamental forces, which gives it the property of durability negation based on those four forces, and also boosts its power to the point where it can one-shot Ryong who tank an attack from a one-shot amp.

And Infinity barrier also has a multi-continental range.

 

[Specterxxxx]

For Daewi to have a hole in his body, Uryu's arrow would have to hit him first right...? And it could be avoided if Daewi did what I mentioned.

And what you mentioned has far too low coverage to protect daewi from omnidirectional and homing arrows that can charge their trajectory mid shot and attack daewi han from all angles. You are presuming daewi han with zero Friction that doesn't cover him fully, will protect him continously from a GENIUS MASTER ARCHER who can alter his arrows path mid shot and can shoot from all angles.

Why wouldn't Daewi do that, considering he already did something like this when he first obtained his new powers, after realizing that CQC alone wasn't enough to defeat his opponent.

He did it by mistake not intentionally here tho, and this is not me saying he won't do it here, it's the reason while I said the planet is devoid of humans allowing him to do that. But I don't think he is pulling that early on in the battle, where uryu would have most likely killed him but even that is not the case. Uryu can counter this with shadow transportation by moving to a different dimension.

Daewi could just use a repulsive force to push the arrow away or use weak force to destroy it.

Daewi is not pushing ALL arrows from a master archer that can shoot thousands of arrows per second from different sides at different angles. He doesn't have the precision to do that. Not even ichigo can do that effectively, someone who has deflected millions of projectiles before in one hand.

Also your scans shows daewi needing time and touch to use weak force something that gives the arrows the advantage because unlike the dimwits in your scan, the arrows aren't trying to restrain him, the moment they touch him he gets impaled.

It doesn’t stop Daewi from throwing a planet or a celestial body at him,

Takes Daewi and Leaves the planet with shadow to another dimension that doesn't have planets to toss around. I.E heuco mondo.

or using a attraction force to pull Uryu into CQC range.

Swaps between his position and daewi's with Anti-Thesis which elimates the success of that happening.

I’d say yes. Just using it already bending surrounding space, so it can be argued that the arrow wouldn’t be able to hit him due to the bending of space around him.

And he can maintains this for how long? Cause uryu can shoot arrows for literal days, he can outlast the effect. Also if he gets bored he can just go into volstanding trap him in cage of flechers and detonate it and then explosion of over 132× difference will destroy daewi while he is inside that space.

Infinity Punch/Barrier is a combination of all four fundamental forces, which gives it the property of durability negation based on those four forces, and also boosts its power to the point where it can one-shot Ryong who tank an attack from a one-shot amp.

This is a daewi that has been pushed to the limit in battle, it's an ending move not a starter and he would have to touch uryu to pull that off remember? Uryu who can kill him long before that happens. And if he manages to do this, it gets reflected back to him with antithesis GGs.

And Infinity barrier also has a multi-continental range.

This wouldn't do anything to stop Uryu from leaving with his portal, and it looks to be a cage not an attack.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Okay so first things first danmaku is NOT an issue. Daewi could counter danmaku homing attacks of a MUCH higher caliber that were targeting many people at once literally with a single stare. And that Daewi was far less skilled and more limited with the forces.
Also any danmaku Uryu could pull off gets erased by strong or weak force since strong force has enough range to decon the entirety of Asia.

Secondly, it's not exactly a coin flip on what Daewi starts off with. Daewi only avoided using the fundamental forces in the keys before this because he lacked Okhwangs body which makes the forces extremely stamina tasking (and even then he spammed tf out of them against Mira). This Daewi has Okhwangs body and not only spams them nonstop but he uses them in tandem with his cqc where is strongest move is literally him infusing his punch with all 4 forces.

And lastly, as far as I'm aware Uryu has no willpower feats that'd let him get through Daewis aura without extreme struggle. Besides having 5 layers it's potent enough to cause intense panic, paralysis, hallucinations, and straight up KO him while destroying his mind. He'll at best be a sitting duck and at worst just insta-lose.

So yeah Daewi slams

 

[DavidTPPM]

Now to address some misconceptions.

Uryu is NOT gonna do that. He is going to keep kilometers worth of distance between him and daewi

Uryu wouldn't have a choice. Daewis gravity manip isn't restricted to controlling earth's gravity, he can very much control attracting and repulsive forces individually such as to pull entire planets like Mars and Jupiter at MFTL+ speeds towards him with gravity manip. It is also very much in character for him to do this.

So if Daewi decides Uryu is going cqc, Uryu IS GOING CQC whether he likes it or not.

he too can fly but uryu has heinryanku an FTE technique along with pseudo flight. He will be the one with superior mobility

No not really. Daewi doesn't even need FTE amps because in this key Daewi grows constantly jumps in stats by FTE amounts. His entire fight with Ryong was basically them constantly trying to outgrow each other. Daewi also uses his own fundamental forces on himself to increase his mobility, and on his opponents to decrease theirs so Uryu will have to deal with Daewi messing up his inertia as well as the increased air resistance constantly.

superior intelligence

Uryu is not smarter than Daewi…

 

[M2u12]

He did it by mistake not intentionally here tho, and this is not me saying he won't do it here, it's the reason while I said the planet is devoid of humans allowing him to do that.

He didn’t do it by mistake lmao

Also your scans shows daewi needing time and touch to use weak force something that gives the arrows the advantage because unlike the dimwits in your scan, the arrows aren't trying to restrain him, the moment they touch him he gets impaled.

No, Daewi doesn't need time to use it, he can use it immediately if he want to. The reason he let those monsters surround him is more likely because he wanted to deal with them all at once rather than one by one.

And he can maintains this for how long? Cause uryu can shoot arrows for literal days, he can outlast the effect.

I’d say that as long as he hasn’t attacked yet, since space bending is simply the side effects

Also if he gets bored he can just go into volstanding trap him in cage of flechers and detonate it and then explosion of over 132× difference will destroy daewi while he is inside that space.

In that case, he can destroyed it using natural forces.

This is a daewi that has been pushed to the limit in battle, it's an ending move not a starter and he would have to touch uryu to pull that off remember?

No, He’s perfectly fine using it as an opening move if he wants to, it’s not a finishing move at all. And he doesn’t need to touch Uryu either, the Infinity Punch didn’t even make contact with Ryong but Its DC alone is enough to one-shot him.

This wouldn't do anything to stop Uryu from leaving with his portal, and it looks to be a cage not an attack.

But Daewi can use that attack together with recoilless which is perception blitz Amp, it wouldn't be easy for him to escape before the attack hits.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Now to address some misconceptions.

Uryu wouldn't have a choice. Daewis gravity manip isn't restricted to controlling earth's gravity, he can very much control attracting and repulsive forces individually such as to pull entire planets like Mars and Jupiter at MFTL+ speeds towards him with gravity manip. It is also very much in character for him to do this.

I already said how uryu counters this but I will repeat myself once more. He will swap between he and any target even daewi himself once daewi tries to use repulsive or attractive force to pull or push him.

He can also leave the planet with his shadow portals should daewi attempt to blow the planet not to mention the fight will have to prolong for long before daewi does this long enough for uryu to go for a kill shot first.

So if Daewi decides Uryu is going cqc, Uryu IS GOING CQC whether he likes it or not.

Unless daewi is countering FTE speed techniques than can traverse literally 10s of KM in one single step. Daewi is doing nothing to force Uryu going CQC whether he wants to or not.

No not really. Daewi doesn't even need FTE amps because in this key Daewi grows constantly jumps in stats by FTE amounts.

This only applies to CQC lol, Uryu flash step can cover 10s to potentially thousands of KM in a literal step. What Daewi has is subpar to even match that.

His entire fight with Ryong was basically them constantly trying to outgrow each other.

Basically a death sentence because Uryu wouldn't let the fight last and would in fact kill daewi as soon as he gets the chance.

Daewi also uses his own fundamental forces on himself to increase his mobility, and on his opponents to decrease theirs so Uryu will have to deal with Daewi messing up his inertia as well as the increased air resistance constantly.

This gets flipped so daewi is the one who's mobility is getting decreased and uryu gains the increased mobility.

What's the air resistance gonna do here tho lol.

Uryu is not smarter than Daewi…

He is, his profile shows that.

 

[Specterxxxx]

He didn’t do it by mistake lmao

Didnt he immediately fix everything by pushing Mars back? Doesn't really even matter uryu leaves the planet with shadow transportation.

No, Daewi doesn't need time to use it, he can use it immediately if he want to. The reason he let those monsters surround him is more likely because he wanted to deal with them all at once rather than one by one.

So he activates weak force to destroy the first arrows cool, uryu goes full power and detonates daewi or sends additional thousands of arrows literally every second overpowering his rate of destroying the arrows.

I’d say that as long as he hasn’t attacked yet, since space bending is simply the side effects

Cool, gets exploded by trapped flecthers while he looks like he is trying to take a shit lol

In that case, he can destroyed it using natural forces.

Not while he is busy dealing with other arrows or in a stance. If he destroys that with natural forces, uryu creates another in that same position where reishi exists.

No, He’s perfectly fine using it as an opening move if he wants to, it’s not a finishing move at all.

Cool that the damages gets reversed back on his ass killing him.

And he doesn’t need to touch Uryu either, the Infinity Punch didn’t even make contact with Ryong

Its not gonna make contact with someone is constantly kilometers away from his opponent.

but Its DC alone is enough to one-shot him.

Its enough to kill him not one shot and during that process the effects gets reversed.

But Daewi can use that attack together with recoilless which is perception blitz Amp, it wouldn't be easy for him to escape before the attack hits.

That's if he reaches him from KMs away and uryu would not immediately loose brain activity because of that attack allowing him to swap damages and win.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I already said how uryu counters this but I will repeat myself once more. He will swap between he and any target even daewi himself once daewi tries to use repulsive or attractive force to pull or push him.

Then Daewi pulls himself towards Uryu which achieves the exact same result lmao.

He can also leave the planet with his shadow portals

Isn't this completely out of character? Also not helpful given Daewi can just open his own portal to him or just use his interplanetary range.
Meanwhile Uryu can't do anything at that range so if anything, running away is going to give Daewi an advantage.

Unless daewi is countering FTE speed techniques than can traverse literally 10s of KM in one single step. Daewi is doing nothing to force Uryu going CQC whether he wants to or not.
This only applies to CQC lol,

What? No it doesn't…? Where did you even get that his AD is somehow limited to cqc?

Basically a death sentence because Uryu wouldn't let the fight last and would in fact kill daewi as soon as he gets the chance.

I agree the fight wouldn't last but that's because Uryu has literally no counters to fear + SF gg

This gets flipped so daewi is the one who's mobility is getting decreased and uryu gains the increased mobility.

Remind me when did Uryu spam the reversal that much. Because as far as I'm aware he's only really used it once or twice per fight.

That aside this is irrelevant because Daewi just removes the nerf from himself and reapplies it to Uryu. Since unlike Uryu, Daewi can absolutely spam the shit out of this.

What's the air resistance gonna do here tho lol.

Have you ever tried sprinting through water? Do you know why that's so much harder?
Because water has much greater resistance/drag which creates more friction making it far more difficult.

And Daewi can control friction.

He is, his profile shows that.

1. That's not how intelligence works, read literally any intelligence related staff thread and you'll see IQ should be compared based on feats but on a vague stat because of how subjective it can be to a situation (a genius scientist is not going to outsmart a gifted martial artist in a fight?
2. No it doesn't, Daewis profile directly scales his intelligence to Mira who's also a genius like Uryu.
3. Is this why you picked Daewi over Okhwang? Because Okhwangs profile is far more developed so you wouldn't be able to just go "erm it's not in the profile yet "?

 

[Foriaa]

these goh character's getting outta hand, might have to read this manwha

 

[DavidTPPM]

these goh character's getting outta hand, might have to read this manwha

You totally should, the story is absolutely beautiful

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

You totally should, the story is absolutely beautiful

I see what your doing

 

[DavidTPPM]

I see what your doing

Nothing
I'd rather have 1 person who read GoH because of the story than 10 people who read it for the powerscaling

 

[M2u12]

Didnt he immediately fix everything by pushing Mars back?

Ngl, I don't really understand what you mean.

So he activates weak force to destroy the first arrows cool, uryu goes full power and detonates daewi or sends additional thousands of arrows literally every second overpowering his rate of destroying the arrows.

Thousands of arrows are NOT overpowering his rate of destroying them. A single attack using a strong force which is capable of destroying the entire Asia would be enough to deal with those arrows.

Cool, gets exploded by trapped flecthers while he looks like he is trying to take a shit lol

Then he can just destroy those exploded with an Infinity Punch.

Not while he is busy dealing with other arrows or in a stance. If he destroys that with natural forces, uryu creates another in that same position where reishi exists.

then he just keep spam natural forces to destroy it, and he doesn't need to be in a stance, recoilless allows him to attack with 100% effectiveness even from the most awkward positions.

Cool that the damages gets reversed back on his ass killing him.

Uryu would get perception blitzed before he could reverse the damage back onto Daewi.

Its not gonna make contact with someone is constantly kilometers away from his opponent.

I'm not sure about that, since Infinity Punch has this much range.

Its enough to kill him not one shot

Killing and one-shotting are basically the same thing here, what are you even talking about lmao.

and during that process the effects gets reversed.

again, Uryu would get perception blitzed before he could reverse the damage back onto Daewi.

That's if he reaches him from KMs away and uryu would not immediately loose brain activity because of that attack allowing him to swap damages and win.

Bro, how would he still have brain activity if his head got blown up by an Infinity Punch

 

[Specterxxxx]

Okay so first things first danmaku is NOT an issue. Daewi could counter danmaku homing attacks of a MUCH higher caliber that were targeting many people at once literally with a single stare. And that Daewi was far less skilled and more limited with the forces.

Those are NOT higher caliber in both attack potency or skill simply because Mira isn't as strong or as skilled with projectiles as this uryu. This isn't me saying it is going to work here if uryu sends his arrows from an horizontal angle, i just wanted to clear that out

More importantly what's stopping uryu from utilizing licht regen and firing him directly above his brains tens of km away? because the nature of that attack in your scan shows the path of the arrows moving horizontally so the force was easily neutralized by the gravitational force. Uryu switching to a vertical shoot stance will use the gravitational as an additional boost to his own AP in that moment. Uryu will most likely decide to go aerial and start sniping daewi from angle 90 position which will most likely force daewi to use other forces tho.

Also any danmaku Uryu could pull off gets erased by strong or weak force since strong force has enough range to decon the entirety of Asia.

A powered up strong force isn't the same as the casual one he uses right? and is there anything showing he can maintain strong force output for a long time because uryu can keep that at bay for days if he wants and wouldn't run out of reishi.

Secondly, it's not exactly a coin flip on what Daewi starts off with. Daewi only avoided using the fundamental forces in the keys before this because he lacked Okhwangs body which makes the forces extremely stamina tasking (and even then he spammed tf out of them against Mira). This Daewi has Okhwangs body and not only spams them nonstop but he uses them in tandem with his cqc where is strongest move is literally him infusing his punch with all 4 forces.

Except strong force, I don't see any force preventing uryu from using antithesis to reverse especially since his strikes with the force concentrates the range to a smaller surface area which wouldn't kill uryu giving him ample time to reverse.

And lastly, as far as I'm aware Uryu has no willpower feats that'd let him get through Daewis aura without extreme struggle. Besides having 5 layers it's potent enough to cause intense panic, paralysis, hallucinations, and straight up KO him while destroying his mind. He'll at best be a sitting duck and at worst just insta-lose

Uryu consistently fights people that can kill him. He fought ulqiourra whose reaistu caused intense despair and after he easily deleted ichigo (who was wayyy stronger than him at that point) right in front him and managed to combat as best as he could even after loosing an arm and getting thrashed in that fight. I genuinely don't see him standing still because of that, in fact it is going to start the opposite and make uryu stay KMs away from him and start his attacks there.

So yeah Daewi slams

Your arguments don't show it's a slam.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Then Daewi pulls himself towards Uryu which achieves the exact same result lmao.

That's not what would happen? Bruh that would mean Uryu has the power to pull him towards him which he doesn't.

Isn't this completely out of character?

Not its not? Uryu isn't gonna die when he can escape lol..

Also not helpful given Daewi can just open his own portal to him or just use his interplanetary range

Cool and as soon as he does that uryu flash steps kilometers away continuing the same thing.

Meanwhile Uryu can't do anything at that range so if anything, running away is going to give Daewi an advantage.

His attacks can traverse hundreds of kilometers, he is going anything that you think he would do at a closer range.

What? No it doesn't…? Where did you even get that his AD is somehow limited to cqc?

Did I say that? It doesn't even matter what is limited to. Daewi is not reaching uryu while uryu is dodging everything daewi has.

I agree the fight wouldn't last but that's because Uryu has literally no counters to fear + SF gg

This isn't true but sure.

Remind me when did Uryu spam the reversal that much. Because as far as I'm aware he's only really used it once or twice per fight.

Every quincy can spam their shrift, uryu uses it in situations that only depend on his shrift to counter so he wouldn't be spamming it if the character isn't spamming it back.

That aside this is irrelevant because Daewi just removes the nerf from himself and reapplies it to Uryu. Since unlike Uryu, Daewi can absolutely spam the shit out of this.

Uryu can spam antithesis literally every quincy can spam their shrift. They would both be spamming the shit outta each other until daewi decides to stop using that. And there is no reason daewi is gonna apply that continuously when he sees uryu counters it already.

Have you ever tried sprinting through water? Do you know why that's so much harder?
Because water has much greater resistance/drag which creates more friction making it far more difficult.

Characters like uryu can move through dense reaitsu which should be a similar feel so I think he will do just fine since he is literally walking on air and not flying with his ability.

And Daewi can control friction.

To do what, that uryu can't survive or counter?

1. That's not how intelligence works, read literally any intelligence related staff thread and you'll see IQ should be compared based on feats but on a vague stat because of how subjective it can be to a situation (a genius scientist is not going to outsmart a gifted martial artist in a fight?

Maybe you should be the one to read uryu's intelligence in his own profile, his genius extends to both his battle IQ and regular IQ so I am making my argument based off that and what I know of both.

2. No it doesn't, Daewis profile directly scales his intelligence to Mira who's also a genius like Uryu.

It's not my fault I didn't see "genius" in his profile lol and why are we scaling his intelligence to another character without any relating statement?.

Also moving on, Uryu due to being a long range fighter with far more experience with cqc fighters than daewi's with primary long range fighters and the ability to constantly monitor daewi will give uryu the edge in utilitising his intelligence here far more than daewi with out without genius intelligence for daewi.

3. Is this why you picked Daewi over Okhwang? Because Okhwangs profile is far more developed so you wouldn't be able to just go "erm it's not in the profile yet "?

Bruh could you actually stop with the accusations, I don't pair based off AP alone, I pair based on who is more similar in character to the other. Uryu and daewi are both the third most important character to the story in their own way and they are both calm headed and not damned geezers lmao so I didn't put Okhwangs old ass against uryu. Hell I even forgot about bro till you made comment. So relax.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Ngl, I don't really understand what you mean.

No need.

Thousands of arrows are NOT overpowering his rate of destroying them. A single attack using a strong force which is capable of destroying the entire Asia would be enough to deal with those arrows.

That was a powered up strong force, you would have to prove daewi can spam strong force of that range for it to even be a sufficient counter because when it counters the first thousands of arrows, the next batch is coming immediately after until the strong force attack dissipates.

Then he can just destroy those exploded with an Infinity Punch.

Thats assuming an infinite punch attack that shows a charge up from daewi calling all fundamental forces one after another is faster than the detonation of that cage which is invalid. He gets exploded. And if he does that cage sets up again because it depends on reishi manipulation.

then he just keep spam natural forces to destroy it,

Then he gets outlasted via uryu's ability to keep that up for literal days if uryu sees that attack has the best outcome of a win.

and he doesn't need to be in a stance, recoilless allows him to attack with 100% effectiveness even from the most awkward positions.

In a CQC, Uryu is not going to be in a CQC position for that to happen.

Uryu would get perception blitzed before he could reverse the damage back onto Daewi.

That extends to the speed of the attack not the attack killing him. You would have to prove that for this statement to hold merit.

I'm not sure about that, since Infinity Punch has this much range.

Can dodge this with interdimensional shadows

Killing and one-shotting are basically the same thing here, what are you even talking about lmao

They are not the same thing, all one shots are kills but not all kills are one shot. Killing uryu doesn't mean he can't reverse damage before he dies as long as he can think while that happens. Your own scan shows ryong in a less physical durable body had a chunk of his body still intact after that attack. And infinity punch is going to be used close to uryu when daewi knows he got hit not when uryu is KMs awa

again, Uryu would get perception blitzed before he could reverse the damage back onto Daewi.

That's not how it works reicolless doesn't perception blitz death lol, the attack lands at perception blitz not the cause of death.

Bro, how would he still have brain activity if his head got blown up by an Infinity Punch

He is more durable than ryong and daewi wouldn't go for his head. It's out of character for him to do that he is going to go for his torso area like he did to ryong and uryu being more durable with blut. So he isn't getting incinerated with that attack.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Those are NOT higher caliber in both attack potency or skill simply because Mira isn't as strong or as skilled with projectiles as this uryu.

When I say "higher caliber" I mean because their quantity is far greater and trajectory is far more complex as they attack multiple different people at once.

Also skill here isn't even a question because these projectiles were homing attacks.

More importantly what's stopping uryu from utilizing licht regen and firing him directly above his brains tens of km away because the nature of that attack in your scan shows the path of the arrows moving horizontally so the force was easily neutralized by the gravitational force.

The direction doesn't matter. Daewi can easily crush and redirect both horizontal and vertical attacks.
It doesn't matter whether it's in front, above, or even below him. He has no issues using attractive force, repulsive force, and inertia to stop the projectiles. Or yk the easier option, strong force which covers thousands of kilometers in a single sweep.

A powered up strong force isn't the same as the casual one he uses right+?

There's no such thing as "powered up strong force" here. Both Okhwang and Mira could instantly pull out strong force with enough range to deconstruct all of Asia and like I already sent, Daewi could instantly create a strong force blast large enough to be seen from space.

and is there anything showing he can maintain strong force output for a long time because uryu can keep that at bay for days if he wants and wouldn't run out of reishi.

He doesn't need to because it literally one shots Uryu the second the fight starts.

Except strong force I don't see any force preventing uryu from using antithesis to reverse especially his strikes with the force concentrates the range to a smaller surface area which wouldn't kill uryu giving him ample time to reverse.

Weak force can erase several humanoid beings entire bodies in a single swoop.
Gravity can crush Uryu into a 1cm² ball of flesh.
And on top of that any attack should powernull his shrift given its almost identical to Borrowed Powers.

Power Nullification (Okhwang damaging Daewi directly made him incapable of using his Borrowed Power)

So once Uryu takes damage he's not using Antithesis even if the attack wasn't be fatal (which it'd be)

Uryu consistently fights people that can kill him.

That has nothing to do with him resisting fear manipulation. Especially not in this absurd level of potency.

He fought ulqiourra whose reaistu caused intense despair

Great that's the baseline resistance to fear manipulation which is granted by standard soul physiology. Not only does the potency og of the fear itself not come even remotely close to the potency of Daewis fear but the magnitude doesn't either.

Your arguments don't show it's a slam.

My arguments show Daewi literally one shots an immobile target but if you don't think that's a stomp then I'm perfectly fine adding this win to Daewis profile.

Tho I'd personally consider an unavoidable one shot to be a stomp.

That's not what would happen? Bruh that would mean Uryu has the power to pull him towards him which he doesn't.

No? You said Uryu would reverse Daewis use of the gravity.
Which means instead of Uryu being pulled towards Daewi, Daewis would be pulled towards Uryu.

Not its not? Uryu isn't gonna die when he can escape lol..

He can't escape because he can't overpower 5 layers of mind breaking fear and trillion times stronger gravity hax holding him down.

Cool and as soon as he does that uryu flash steps kilometers away continuing the same thing.

He doesn't because he's paralyzed and immobilized.
Also dead because Daewi one shots.

His attacks can traverse hundreds of kilometers, he is going anything that you think he would do at a closer range.

You said Uryu will run away an interplanetary distance away.
Uryus range is hundreds of kilometers.

If Uryu escapes he's effectively BFRing himself because he can no longer reach Daewi.

Did I say that? It doesn't even matter what is limited to. Daewi is not reaching uryu while uryu is dodging everything daewi has.

Daewis gravity, which he can and does use on himself, can reach Jupiter and Mars which are 140-900 million kilometers away. He also far outscales Satan who can instantly zoom towards the sun which is 150 million kilometers away, Mori who can zoom between solar systems which the nearest is 40 trillion kilometers, and even by himself could easily reach Mujins fortress that was floating above earth's atmosphere at least 100 kilometers above him.

Hell a MUCH weaker Daewi could easily reach The Unknown's head which was outside of earth's atmosphere.

So I honestly don't understand why do you keep talking about few kilometers as if they were this unreachable distance when any tier 4 and above GoH character travels FAR more.

Every quincy can spam their shrift, uryu uses it in situations that only depend on his shrift to counter.

As far as I'm aware different shrifts do vastly different things so I don't think you can equate them like that.

Especially since Uryu never spams it. He uses it like once or twice in the entire manga.

Characters like uryu can move through dense reaitsu which should be a similar feel so I think he will do just fine since he is literally walking on air and not flying with his ability.

So? That's still going to be a massive debuff in a speed equalized fight.
Daewi can manipulate inertia and friction to the point swords shatter before even reaching him and characters relative to him can't move.

To do what that uryu can't survive or counter?

Do you know what friction is…?

Maybe you should be the one to read uryu's intelligence in his own profile, his genius extends to both his battle IQ and regular IQ so I am making my based off that and what I know of both.

I didn't say his intelligence doesn't extend to both I'm telling you that deciding who's smarter in a specific situation off of the rating is objectively incorrect because of how vague it is.

It's not my fault I didn't see "genius" in his profile lol and why are we scaling his intelligence to another character without any relating statement?.

It is your fault that you didn't see his intelligence section directly compared him to Mira in the very first sentence lol.

And YOUR goofy ass decided to purposely cherry pick a profile that hasn't been revised yet. Okhwang has almost the exact same moveset but has been previously revised yet you picked Daewi. GoH has like 7-8 profiles in a good state so if you make a vs thread with one of the profiles not on that list that's entirely your fault.

Also moving on, Uryu due to being a long range fighter with more experience with cqc fighters than daewi with primary long range fighters and the ability to constantly monitor daewi will give uryu the edge in utilitising his intelligence here far more than daewi with out without genius intelligence for daewi.

Daewi "doesn't have experience with long rangers" because
1. Almost nobody in the verse can out-range him. Even Uryu has MUCH smaller range.
2. Because anyone who tries to go long range against him gets gravity checked.

Bruh stop with the accusations, I don't pair based off AP alone, I pair based on who is more similar in character to the other. Uryu and daewi are both third most important character to the story in their own way and they are both calm headed and not damned geezers lmao so I didn't put Okhwangs old ass against uryu. Hell I even forgot about bro till you made comment. So relax.

Then you either could have
A) Asked when Daewis profile is getting fixed and posted it after that.
Or
B) Just accepted the fact that Daewis profile is going to be missing some things since it's incomplete.

What's the point of making a vs thread with a character that you know doesn't have an up to date profile and then trying to weaponize that fact?

 

[DavidTPPM]

Also side note, you're using the wrong tag.
It should be
"The God of High School"
Not
"The God of Highschool"
I kept forgetting the space between them as well but like this it won't appear on the primary GoH tag

 

[M2u12]

No need.

That was a powered up strong force, you would have to prove daewi can spam strong force of that range for it to even be a sufficient counter because when it counters the first thousands of arrows, the next batch is coming immediately after until the strong force attack dissipates.

WHAT? Where did you even get the idea that he has to "power up the strong force" first? He doesn’t need to do anything like that at all, and his strong force already has that range by default.

Thats assuming an infinite punch attack that shows a charge up from daewi calling all fundamental forces one after another is faster than the detonation of that cage which is invalid. He gets exploded. And if he does that cage sets up again because it depends on reishi manipulation.

No, chargeing is only the first time he use that attack, after that he can use it at least 4 times consecutively, and it doesn’t require him to charging an all.

Then he gets outlasted via uryu's ability to keep that up for literal days if uryu sees that attack has the best outcome of a win.

His physics manipulation has essentially become a part of his nature after obtaining the Okhwang body, and he was already spamming it even before getting that body. So outlasting him was not an good option.

In a CQC, Uryu is not going to be in a CQC position for that to happen.

If Daewi used telekinesis to pull him towards himself or to pull himself towards him, then it CAN happen.

That extends to the speed of the attack not the attack killing him. You would have to prove that for this statement to hold merit.

If the speed of the attack is faster, that means the attack that killed him must also be faster. I don't understand what you mean.

Can dodge this with interdimensional shadows

Ok cool, Daewi could have killed him with something else.

They are not the same thing, all one shots are kills but not all kills are one shot.

BUT IN THIS CONTEXT IT'S THE SAME THING

Killing uryu doesn't mean he can't reverse damage before he dies as long as he can think while that happens.

How can he reverse the damage when he's already dead???

Your own scan shows ryong in a less physical durable body

WHAT? Where did you get that from? He actually became stronger than before due to AD, and on top of that, he even transforms to further increase his stats.

had a chunk of his body still intact after that attack.

Yeah, that’s because Daewi didn’t aim for the center of his body or his head, and his punch was about at least 20 cm away from Ryong lol.

And infinity punch is going to be used close to uryu when daewi knows he got hit not when uryu is KMs awa

No, in this case, Infinity Punch doesn’t need to be used at close range, and if it is used up close, Uryu is screwed immediately because he would get perception blitzed.

That's not how it works reicolless doesn't perception blitz death lol,

Ok, Who said it perception blitz death?

the attack lands at perception blitz not the cause of death.

It’s absolutely the cause of death since it comes with a one-shot amp as well.

He is more durable than ryong

No lol, Ryong is far more durable due to AD

and daewi wouldn't go for his head. It's out of character for him to do that he is going to go for his torso area like he did to ryong and uryu being more durable with blut. So he isn't getting incinerated with that attack.

No, In-character, Daewi also aims for his opponent’s head when using the Infinity Punch.

Like, fr, what you’re saying is completely opposite to what Daewi would do in-character lol.