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Transduality in WoD

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A follow up from the World of Darkness revisions thread here:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2402480

So, to quickly go over things we found out:

Archmage's can make a Paradise immune to the ravages of Karma, Duality and Death:

https://imgur.com/Kpqx4Mu

Then there's

a direct statement saying that a location in WoD is Non-dual / has non-duality:

https://imgur.com/M4DGWIm

Duality is actually something called "the Lie" and is an element of it.

https://imgur.com/fQwLd87

And the Lie is actually just the Flawed Shadows of the Supernal:

https://imgur.com/EGmSalc

Additionally, there's a whole hierachy and that there are beings who are Rulers of the Lie (Duality):

https://imgur.com/4pIZ4Ni

Lilith is the embodiment of Yang:

https://imgur.com/AaQ4JY

There's also the Mystagogues who are based around breaking duality:

Here they are achieving a state of Non-Duality:

https://imgur.com/tf5HvRK

And here they are training to think outside of duality:

https://imgur.com/VAMmwH

Duality is a concept and thus would be in the Supernal at least and the Epiphanies at most:

https://imgur.com/dCvjvR

I've found what is basically Taiji:

https://imgur.com/YrGVoLE

And I've found Yin and Yang:

https://imgur.com/xZ7Uv0s

Triality, duality but in 3s:

https://imgur.com/ChtgSL

The God of Duality:

https://imgur.com/ru9nxd6

Infinite Transcendant Archetypes:

https://imgur.com/mPsawtI
 
I also don't understand why the other thread was closed. There was very little discussion in the last stretch of pages but you're already acting like 1-A is almost accepted.
 
1. The other thread was closed on request, and the fact the thread was getting full with approaching 400 messages.

And since we was talking about a completely different topic from the OP, opening another thread is the most optimal thing.

2. Never said it was almost accepted, I'm saying it's undeniable.

Which it blatantly is.
 
You need a lot of staff approval for such a massive upgrade.
 
Okay.

Eitherway, I've disprove the Outlier thing, showing it's consistant and constantly shown.

There's nothing left up to speculation, it's clear as day, and I believe throwing around "vaguness" is someone surcoming to sudden Blindness.
 
Okay but specifically what?

Like, some of them gives their own context, so which one's need context?
 
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A transdual nature is an uncertain gauge for 1-A. Within real world philosophy it certainly is enough to qualify, but within fiction it can be contradicted by the overall feats, scale, and limitations of the characters.
 
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

"There is no limit to the number of realms and dimensions surrounding the Planet..."

https://imgur.com/oYcDwjq

Okay, so, this is evidence of High 1-B:

Okay, so let's go with this: Naturally, it makes a distiction between the words "realms" and "dimensions", we've seen that WoD takes the use of the word "Dimensions" much more seriously, as we've seen Hyperdimensional theory, transdimensional fields etc.

We also know that WoD has dipped it's feet into Quantum physics, talking about Superstring theory, Wave-Particle Duality and Superposition, so we know they know what dimension means and this is reinforced by the notion that they use the word "realms" as well, to tell us that there is a difference, meaning it doesn't mean an alternate Universe.

So in this assumption, it's High 1-B.

The next assumption is that both of them mean Realm, however, this still leads to High 1-B due to the fact we know each realm is transcendant over the other, as proven in the last thread.

With this, we know that there is an unlimited amount of realms that are transcendant over the other.

So we still get High 1-B.
 
I believe things like no limit or uncountable are 1-B quotes rather than High 1-B quotes. At least going by Undertale revisions
 
Ah, well, I guess it'd be much like an endless amount then, partically, as close to High 1-B as one could get without being High 1-B?
 
Yeah. There's a few 2-B and 1-B people with that reasoning. High 1-B and 2-A need a solid infinite statement to my understanding. E.g.

  • There's an uncountable number of universes = 2-B
  • There's an infinite amount of universes = 2-A
 
Fair enough, but, this does give a ... unlimited... amount of credibility to 1-A WoD since I have demonstrated 1-B WoD
 
It just looks like you Control + F any mention of the word duality and copypasted here with no regard for context. I don't see any legitimate proof for 1-B much less 1-A.

Also you need to demonstrate that dimension = spatial dimension, you are also taking every single usage of the word and interpreting that way which is equally unnaceptable.

The very scan talks about planes and dimensions contained in only single planets, so I don't know how you could possibly assume that's High 1-B. It's not.
 
 
Again you've been struck with sudden blindness, which isn't anything new.

You're talking about no context, yet, I've given entire pages which gives you more than enough context, if you want more, go read the books yourself.

Actually, no, I don't. This is the equivocation fallacy, and I've already gone over that, you've chosen not to read my comment and how I went through both scenario's. But you've chosen to ignore that, so I will not only dismiss you based on the Equivocation fallacy, but the Appeal to Ignorence.

As for them being contained with in a single planet, I dismiss this based on the Argument from belief, just because you cannot believe/see it doesn't mean it's not true.

This is fiction, and obviously, WoD follows different rules than our own, you're making to appeal to reality fallacy and trying to downgrade WoD based on our reality and the rules of our reality.


I've gone over the two scenario's, where if it means dimensions or not, and both lead to 1-B. As for 1-A, you're making another call to ignorence, and this is why I said in the previous thread that you were biased, as even Ultima Reality and everyone else can see that they mean Transduality, which in itself is 1-A by its very nature, everyone else disagrees with you.

I've gone above and beyond with the amount of scans and proof I've given for WoD being Transdual, I've got more proof than I bet mostly any verse on this cite, yet you choose ignorence.
 
I have to agree with Matt on this one. Only like, two or three of the scans are referring to actual Transdualism and Duality as a concept, and even then they have questionable context in relation to the setting it seems.

Like, the scan describing the "Dualistic Cosmos" is just saying that the Player can modify the setting in their playthrough, either making it a Universe dictated by classic Black and White Morality with defined ideas of "Good" and "Evil", or one where such concepts are relative to the person comitting the acts and overall far more ambiguous.
 
Sudden blindness, really? Are you going to dismiss everything I say as nonsense or wrong with no effort to prove your point?

None of your scans talk about transdualism other than like a couple, and those have questionable context in relation to anything else. You just searched for the word duality and pasted every single appearance with little regard for logic.

You haven't gone above and beyond with your effort on this profiles. Rather, your effort has been continually minimal when it comes to internal logic, sufficient explanations, reasonable interpretations and even tiering.

Minor pocket dimensions contained within single planets are not High 1-B worlds, period. And you haven't proven that they are spatial dimensions in the slightest.
 
Okay, so your only issue is with 1 screenshot?

Why does that make it ALL questionable in any way?
 
I read it, but you once again, lack giving any reason why, you're ducking from giving a response besides: "I think it's too vague, I think there's no context, I think it's wrong"

You've given no context to your own reasons and thus I'm dismissing what you're saying until you're saying anything of value.
 
Nope, I explained myself over and over. You are the one who haven't said anything of value with your insistance that any usage of the word duality means 1-A, to the point that you interpret a line saying that angels are genderless as meaning that they are "Transdual 1-A beings!!!111"
 
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