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About Fatalis.

According to ancient folklore, the fatalis will return to the ruins of Schrade in the event of an eclipse,so it appears the folklore is true. However, that energy radiating from the eclipse appears unnatural. It might be a power of Fatalis, but does it do anything? I don't know. If it is Fatalis' power, then it should get a range upgrade, but I don't know.

It does appear to be moving from the moon to Schrade pretty darn fast though, maybe a speed upgrade is in order. IDK, an admin will know about these things.
 
Well, actually causing an eclipse would mean moving the moon itself, but this seems to be an outlier given its actual demonstrated scale of power. Alternately it simply likes to appear during eclipses.
 
Fatalis' true power is currently unknown. I'm listing here what I know of the main series, but I know it goes far beyond that when it comes to the G rank Fatalises in Frontier. I never fought them or saw gameplay footage, so I'm choosing to just use the main series, but Frontier is canon as well, so it could be a lot more powerful than we know. It is also hard to measure the power of its elemental/energy attacks since they don't damage the environment, but if Mega Thunder Ball can insta-kill a hunder who can survive the bite and Laser beam of a Dalamadur (which can crush mountains by constricting), I think a lot can be said. Just because something doesn't damage large areas doesn't mean that it isn't still extremely powerful.
 
Well, I do not know a lot about the series, so I am afraid that I cannot gauge whether or not this is reliable, and we need input from members who are familiar with the games.
 
I'm not sure if they'd like to be bothered with this sort of thing, but the admins Kogath and BannedLagiacrus of the Monster Hunter Wiki would be able to help probably. I'm not too sure about Kogath, since he's the Moderater, but BannedLagiacrus might be useful in this situation, sice he specialises in ecologies and random bits of info, and stuff like that.
 
Okay. You can ask them about if the Fatalis really is capable of moving an entire moon? In that case we will have to upgrade it a lot.
 
Well, the energy from moving the Moon to cover the Sun would have to be calculated before we make adjustments, but Large Planet level sounds far too high.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, the energy from moving the Moon to cover the Sun would have to be calculated before we make adjustments, but Large Planet level sounds far too high.
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I see. So, should there be an upgrade thread or something? I'm honestly surprised about all of this, I used to think MH's limit was Island level (Raviente being the size of an island) but here I was wrong.
 
Rav is probably island level at most, but monsters such as Alatreon, Shantien, Dhisufiroa, Duremudira and especially the Fatalis bretheren are way stronger than Rav. I'm not too sure about just how strong, but Monster hunter getting an upgrade sounds great. Maybe soon after this I'll create pages for Alatreon, Kushala Daora, Shantien, Duremudira, the like.
 
K, I just asked Banned if he was able to find any feats for some of the monsters. It probably won't be as detailed as that link that SMG posted, but Banned has given some incredibly interesting information that many people didn't know before, and he might be able to do it again.
 
Well, you will have to politely ask Illuminati478, Alakabamm, RavenSupreme, The Living Tribunal1, DontTalk, and Kkapoios if any of them are interested in calculating the feat, or check with the Narutoforums, in case you don't know how to calculate it yourselves.

However, we have a few pages with some instructions: Calculations, Calculation Guide
 
Or if you can find the OBD profile, it may link to some finished calculations that you can use.
 
Well, Banned responed, and he gave me a few links. The first was to his blog, which contains Lore and ecologies for almost all monsters. Take a look for all three Fatalis' under "Elder dragons": http://monsterhunter.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:BannedLagiacrus/Monster_Hunter_Ecological_and_Lore_Info_Blog

The next few are about Fatalis, Schrade, the ancient civilisation and the great wyvern disaster: http://monsterhunter.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_Civilization#The_Perfect_Enemy_For_Humanity, http://monsterhunter.wikia.com/wiki/Schrade_Kingdom#The_Great_Wyvern_Disaster, http://monsterhunter.wikia.com/wiki/Fatalis_Ecology.

There are quite a few intersting facts about Fatalis there, and the first link will have info on more than just that. I'm not very good at converting things, but I'll see if I can pass on some of the feats to the people you suggested.
 
Okay. I do not have the time to check this out, as I am extremely busy with a large daily backlog, but you can mention the greatest feats to the calculation group members, or in the calculation request thread (linked in the front page), and see if they are interested.
 
Well, you can ask about getting the Moon-moving feat calculated here, or check if the Narutoforums have any calculations for the Monster Hunter games.
 
No problem. Sorry that I am unable to help further.
 
I tried sending a request to Illuminati478, but he doesn't seem to be active right now. So, after a couple of days of waiting, I've sent a request to Don'tTalk. If there's still no response, I'll try another member of the calc group, and then, it will appear that they're simply not interested and have better things to do, and we'll leave it at that, I suppose.

I would use the calc thread, but my computer gets funny when a thread gets too long, and ends up not loading the bottom of the page (which means I can't post comments.).
 
You can send each of them a message without waiting in-between, and see if any of them are interested.
 
just as I posted it to the others, Don'tTalk responed. He calculated that the feat of speeding up the moon to keep in line with the sun for an endless eclipse is small planet level. I'm curious to one thing, however, which is that the eclipse is staying in the same place in the sky, which means that either it is slowing down the sun, or speeding up the earths rotation. I'll wait for him to respond to that, but in any case, the feat is at least Small Planet level according to him.
 
I have done a similar calc to this for Yu-Gi-Oh and it was planet level-large planet level. However, depending on time interval, it can be small planet level as well.

In this case, it seems like a very small interval so it's likely to be on the larger end. However, estimating the time that it is held in the sky isn't something easily calc'ed because I assume there is no time limit associated with the Fatalis fight, meaning that we can't assign it a value. It can be used as a reference for the actual calc, however.

I'd be willing to take a look but it looks like this link (http://gimmyjibbsjr.deviantart.com/art/MH-Feats-585099384) already has sort of done it, if roughly.
 
That sounds acceptable to me. I'm looking through the feats, now, seeing what would equal what and such...
 
Well, it seems like stopping both the earth and the moon in their rotation around the sun is a worse feat then speeding up the moon. Fatalis appears to be moon level according to Don'tTalk.
 
@Alakabamm: Hmm... yes, that probably is the more notable part.

I count 19 seconds though, which would mean planet level.

(0.5*7.34767309*10^22*(3474000/19)^2 = 1.228e33 J)


Then again one could debate whether or not this really just is a badly made depiction of a natural solar eclipse, I believe?

A clear indication on its involvement in causing it might be good, especially if this would otherwise be far above what the rest of the verse demonstrated.
 
After looking through it, I propose

Oroshi Kiri

AP/Dura: At least Large Town level sounds good enough for me, as suggested for the low end

Speed: Massively Hypersonic

Ceadeus

AP/Dura: Not really sure, shaking/sinking islands looks like it might need a calc? We could just default to Island level, I suppose, but I'm not really sold on that...

Speed: Not really sure about this guy's standing in the food chain, you just always list him as being "At least so and so low-tier Monster's speed, possibly higher" and that should be fine.

Kiri

AP/Dura: If you're going to take the whole "1000 lightning bolts" thing seriously, then according to this the average lightning bolt holds one billion joules. Thusly, 100 of these per hit would be one trillion joules, or one terajoule: Multi-City Block.

Speed: Also Massively Hypersonic. That's the standard speed we use for lightning, right?

Rajang

AP/Dura: These things being casually far stronger than Kirin shouldn't mean we can assume they're any given amount much stronger than them. Small Town? That's probably all you'll get out of that.

Speed: Massively Hypersonic.

Raviente

AP/Dura: Now, that thing's quite obviously not literally the size of a small island, unless they're talking really small: you can see the end of it in the very video Gimmy linked. That being said, it causing a volcanic eruption, a very violent one at that, isn't anything to be sneezed at. Typically, that comes out to around Small City-City level, though if you want an exact value I'd recommend a calc.

Speed: Same as Ceadeus, I don't really know.

For the sake of not making this a single gigantic wall of text, and because I must leave for a bit, I'll post this for now and come back for the rest later.
 
I was reading through the lore of Fatalis and it said they can burn the world...planet level is a bit above that but Fatalis are certainly far and above all other monsters.

But yea, I generally agree, need some more facts about the moon eclipse before we say it is the Fatalis' doing.

I haven't counted the seconds yet of the feat btw, I just speculated based on the scene.
 
@ThePerpetual: Lightning is actually Massively Hypersonic+ (ranges from Massively Hypersonic to Massively Hypersonic+, but the average lightning is about Mach 1280.5.

That said, where does Massively Hypersonic come from? I skimed through the deviantart link and just one is suggested to be MH due to being lightning.

Is the rest powerscaling? If yes, are you sure that powerscaling the rest speedwise to the incarnation of lightning is a good idea, given that a usual trait of such beings is being especially fast?
 
@DontTalk In the case of the Kirin and the Oroshi Kirin, its due to them simply straight-up moving at those speeds, and in the case of the Rajang it's due to being able to casually catch up to and prey upon these things. That's why the other two, I'm unsure on.
 
Continuing...

Dalamadur

AP/Dura: Well, easily reducing mountains to rubble sounds Mountain level to me, and it's slew of other feats listed (creating valleys just by twitching, being as hot as the Sun all throughout its body, etc.) certainly add to its impressiveness next to the other monsters. Possibly higher maybe?

Speed: Not really sure if it's any faster than any other monster, and nothing I've seen indicates that it is, so...

That being said, it's attack speed with those sun meteorites is pretty darn great, if Sun to Earth in 10 seconds holds. If some quick math on my end is right (Distance from Earth to Sun = 92.96 million miles, /10 for miles per second, then x3600 for miles per hour), that attack speed yields 33465600000 miles per hour, or 49.90 x the speed of light. That being said, I have a hard time believing that everyone and their mom can react to that when the most impressive monster around demonstrates slower speeds, plus the fact that it roars to signal the attack and so on and so forth. It doesn't really fit too well. Maybe list it under attack speed with that attack?

Rathalos

AP/Dura: Not much to work with here other than the baby Rathalos's fire pillar at 2:04 in this video here. How much would that yield? Is a fully-grown one considerably stronger? By how much? Can we use it?

Speed: Again, no idea.

Diablos

AP/Dura: Again, not really much to go off of, here, savethis.Apparently it's "Roughly equal to The Massive Rust Duramboros and near equals with Deviljho and Tigrex."That should help with scaling I suppose.

Speed: Nothing to work with, really. Seemingly just another low-tier in this regard.

Agnaktor

AP/Dura: Well, it can effortless plow through stone/soil, and lots of it, in a short time. There's that going for it I guess.

Speed: Ooh a Hypersonic+ guy. Is this the low-end speed value that scales to most things we were looking for?

Kushala Daora

AP/Dura: Not really sure if assuming City level for its hurricanes is the best idea. Someone here an expert on this?

Speed: It's dispersing some clouds really fast, here: roughly 2 seconds or so: and you can see immediately afterwards that the effect spread them to the very edge of the horizon. Now, according to this the horizon line is as far as 64 miles when one is barely half a mile up, and given that the Hunter here is at the very top of a mountain that seems roughly accurate. Given this and a timeframe of two seconds, that would be dispersing the clouds at a rate of 32 miles/second, which in turn translates to Mach 150.14. If it's usable, though, it wouldn't translate to anything other than combat/attack/reaction/etc. speed, which conveniently is in keeping with the idea that the Kirin is a speedster among the monsters.
 
@ThePerpetual The problem is that shaking an island or destroying a mountain are not necessarily remotely "Island level" or "Mountain level" feats if they are small islands or mountains. For example, Gildartz destroyed a small mountain in a single blow, and it was calculated as Town level.

It might be best to not create most of these profiles, if we are only going to get "Unknown" statistics for most of them.
 
W-wow this escalated quickly. From just the Fatalis to the other monsters! So I guess we don't have a definite answer for the speed and AP for White Fatalis huh? The possible result is Moon to Large Planet level.. And I haven't found the OBD Calc, I can't seem to find it anymore..
 
@Antvasima This is a problem that can be solved by finding the sizes of the mountains and islands involved, then? I'm fairly sure I can acquire maps and screenshots and stuff, or can get Gimmyto, if that's what we need.
 
Well, we need calculations based on the type of destruction as well, and frankly, I am not sure if this is worth the effort. The calculation group are needed for evaluating or rescaling several already listed series after all.
 
Sorry it's taken me a while, almost forgot about this.

Dire Miralis

AP/Dura: Well, there's the easily sinking islands thing from before, but as stated that might not be exact enough. It's also apparently a "dangerous first class monster", these things being able to scale to each other.

Speed: Huh. MHS+ attack speed and presumably reactions now, huh? Looks like there's some monsters that can actually do things quickly now.

Alatreo

Long story short, scales to the other Dangerous First Class Monsters.

Akantor

Slightly below an Alatreon in both speed and AP/Dura, but not too far behind.

Amatsumagatsuchi

Not really sure where this thing would go. It doesn't seem to be any faster than the others, but it apparently is constantly surrounded by a gigantic storm, which probably yields a good result. It can also do this.So there's that.

Gore Magala

Easily above Tigrex. That's all there is to work with...

Garuba Daora

One of the stronger ones, not really sure otherwise.
 
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