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Monika and Non-existence

It's not an "ability" or something that can be turned on or off. It's literally just a consequence of her being erased. It's as good of an idea of having a character starts heavily crippled if they died in their original series.
 
Yes she does.

As I said already, it's not a temporary state or powerup she gets.

Once she entered it, she stayed like it permanently, it never runs out, and she refuses to vecome existe t even if you force her too.

We tend to use characters from the last parts of their apearence in the keys being used, and any powers they get throughout the key (like post time-skip naruto having rasenshuriken) is allowed. She narratively never becomes existent after the deed, and I see no reason why we should assume that it's start of game or mid-game Monika that is being used, especially since those are even less skilled with info manip.

This is like saying that chara automatically doesn't have the anomalies soul.
 
The question is there even prove that she has nonexistence because after you delete her the game restart, though she was had short speech?

https://youtu.be/EqnVcucve3k?t=249

Ricsi-viragosi said:
Nedge1000 said:
Then, she comes back or is it another walkthrough?
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No she doesn't. She never once becomes existent after that. Hell, she plain erases herself if you copypaste her back, and tells you to leave her alone. She can still interact with reality by erasing stuff and in speech bubbles, but that's because she keeps her info manip.
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This action is caused by Sayori not Monika: https://youtu.be/1BFT3kSCnI8?t=897
 
I repeat what I said earlier.

"It's as good of an idea of having a character starts heavily crippled if they died in their original series."

This is borderline Monika near death. It's not another form or anything. It's literally no different from what I mentioned earlier.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
It's not an "ability" or something that can be turned on or off. It's literally just a consequence of her being erased. It's as good of an idea of having a character starts heavily crippled if they died in their original series.
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That is just wrong.

It is an ability, she litirally "activates" it every time you try to make her existent again, and if a character becomes and undead or a ghost we would allow that.

Atost you can ask for another key to be made, because after she enters it she never leaves it, it makes her harder to combat, and she isn't weakened by it in the least.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
I repeat what I said earlier.

"It's as good of an idea of having a character starts heavily crippled if they died in their original series."

This is borderline Monika near death. It's not another form or anything. It's literally no different from what I mentioned earlier.
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That's just plain wrong. She isn't crippled in the least, proceeding to erase another being on her level and doing the feat that gives her her tier in this state.

She isn't borderline dead, and she littiraly refuses to be in anything but this state, erasing herself every time that she is recreated.
 
It's as much of an activable ability as "Small Size" is an ability that can trigger if you're maimed into your body being this small.

If a character gets killed and then turns into a ghost for a short while, it's certainly not worthy of a key.
 
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
Then isn't it more mid godly than nonexistence?
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No, why would it be?

She doesn't exist. Only the player can bring her back by copypasting her file. To which she responds by deleting herswlf and telling you to **** off.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
It's as much of an activable ability as "Small Size" is an ability that can trigger if you're maimed into your body being this small.

If a character gets killed and then turns into a ghost for a short while, it's certainly not worthy of a key.
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No, again. She isn't weakened by this, and she littiraly will not be in any atate but this.

For a whole? This is permanent. She litirally erses herself over and over if you try and restore her. It's also where her tier comes from.
 
It's doesn't matter whether or not she's weakened by it. She still has been damaged to reach this state. It's damage, not a form.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
It's doesn't matter whether or not she's weakened by it. She still has been damaged to reach this state. It's damage, not a form.
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Not really, no. While it hurts, she is not damaged by it, and she plain refuses to leave this state.

Like, it canonically makes no more sense to make monika start existent (when only the player can do this, and she chastases him for it) than saying that the anomaly hasn't met chara yet or that naruto part 1 doesn't start in kurama mode. Sure, using the kurama mode hurts him, but it gives him new skills and more power.
 
My dude, her body no longer exists. She has been erased from existence. No matter how you put it, she's been damaged.

By that logic, it makes canonically no sense for any dead character to start not dead. It's not a form. It's not a power up. How many times will I have to say this to you?
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
I repeat what I said earlier.
"It's as good of an idea of having a character starts heavily crippled if they died in their original series."

This is borderline Monika near death. It's not another form or anything. It's literally no different from what I mentioned earlier.
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I disagree.

A more valid comparison is if a person was attacked by something/one and they have a scar from their encounter.

The scar being what would be comparable to Monika's non-existence.

It's a physical change to Monkia's body that has left an irreparable mark, but it in no way affects Monkia's ability to fight.

A person can't heal a scar and Monika can't regain a physical existence, but both a person and Monkia are still able to fight and exist after either obtaining a scar or being erased from existence.

So it isn't like Monkia is crippled or anything, she can still function in her state of non-existence.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
My dude, her body no longer exists. She has been erased from existence. No matter how you put it, she's been damaged.

By that logic, it makes canonically no sense for any dead character to start not dead. It's not a form. It's not a power up. How many times will I have to say this to you?
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She looses her largest weakness, her glass canon status.

Most WH 40K character are hurting themselfs pretty bad while they serve the chaos gods (nurgle more than others), we still assume those keys unless specified otherwise.

No. When a character is dead, they are weaker, shocking right? Naruto is litirally burning his lifespan while using the kyubi. If part I is used we still assume that unless specified otherwise.

Point is, we don't care for the characters feelings. Being nonexistent makes her more capable of fighting and takes away her main weakness. Also, what's the point? She litirally erases herself first things first.
 
Except the scarred character still exists and fights normally. It doesn't affect them in a significant way.

And Monika being erased isn't treated as just a scar that she shrugs off, considering how she can't come back from it at all and treats it the same as death. If it was something so minor, the ending wouldn't have happened and she would have continued to do whatever forever.
 
What? She doesn't want to come back, even if given the chanve. Also, what do we care about what she wants or not? She becomes stronger with this, and looses a weakness.

If the character becomes an OP undead after death yeag we use that version. Sure, he will never be able to interact with humans the same way as, say, a skeleton, but on a vombat prespective they just gained positives. Them not wanting to be undead doesn't matter.
 
When she deletes as shown above there no evidence that she can use her powers in the video, hence the ending or reset.
 
Nedge1000 said:
When she deletes as shown above there no evidence that she can use her powers in the video?
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What? You know she erases Sayori and all of reality while she doesn't exist right?

The whole reason sayori goes nuts is because she becomes the club president due to monika not esisting, and gaining 4th wall nreaking that drives her crazy.

Not to say that you can't coent if it's true, but have you not played the game?
 
She CAN'T come back. She only started refusing to come back waaaay later.

She doesn't become "stronger" with this, my dude. Her being nonexistent doesn't change anything. If she can't be mindhaxxed while nonexistent she can't be mindhaxxed normally either. It doesn't change anything except for the fact that she can't interact with things physically anymore.
 
And? What does it matter what she want to do? And she starts to not want to pretty much right after you erase her. She also has the ability to restrote all or reality through files, so she should tecnically be able to.

Exept it does? She becomes a noncorporeal, invisible, and nonexistent across time. Like, it is obviously better.
 
Nedge1000 said:
Technically is not enough
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What are you on about? It doesn't remotly matter if she can come bacj willingly or not.

Again, if a character becomes immune to physical damage after getting slapped by zeus, we don't take it away because he doesn't like it.
 
Except that she automatically becomes Nonexistent if she were to die. It doesn't actually help her survivability at all to start in this ""form"". It's like having a Mid-Godly character start erased. It doesn't make them harder to kill.

"She will erase herself in any match"

The hell are you even talking about anymore?
 
Nedge1000 said:
Then, do you have a scan that she shown she can?
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What?

Erase stuff while non-existent? That is the littiral ending of the game.

Restore data? She does that just after getting erased, and there is no reason why she couldn't do it to herself (it on her profile too)
 
Lightbuster30 said:
So is she just physical or complete? I've heard people say it was just physical, while others say complete.
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Complete need Statemate, in Monika's case, it's Physical.
 
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