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Earth-Two Spectre (New Earth) vs Original Living Tribunal (Multiverse)

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Living Tribunal (Multiverse) from All-New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Vol 1 6 001


Rules:

1. This is Earth-Two Spectre at his strongest in New Earth Detective Comics without any injuries; whereas this is Original Living Tribunal at his strongest in Multiverse Marvel Comics without any injuries.

2. Spectre wears Ring of Life; whereas Living Tribunal wields Staff of Polar Power.

3. 1-on-1 death battle.

4. No interference or holding back allowed.

Location:

Map of the Multiverse 002
Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Vol 4 17 Textless


Fusion of both Detective Comics Multiverse and Marvel Comics Multiverse, now let the death battle between the Spirit of Vengeance and Caretaker of the Multiverse begin!

Spectre: 5 (JackJoyce, Nether nine, AndrewBennet, IvoryAS, ABoogieYesSir)

Living Tribunal: 1 (Shivansh Garg)
 
Living Tribunal also has absorption though, as well as sealing

TLT got absorbed by HOTU Thanos previously. If that means something?
 
The problem is that Spectre's True Godly Regenerationn prevents him from getting beaten, but there is no way to know if Spectre can put Tribunal down

Some additional stuff, Tribunal can summon Scathan to aid him, who has Plot Manipulation.

Does Spectre has any 'opposite'? Because if he does, Tribunal can invoke In-Betweener's ability to summon opposite and cancel out Spectre as well
 
@Shivansh

So you're saying that LT would just summon Scathan (who is 1-A) to help beat up Spectre? That's assuming the OP allows it.
 
There is nothing living Tribunal can do to put down true godly spectre. LT also never faced and defeated true godly foe. This 1A spectre scales ridiculously higher then the 1A characters like Night, Time and Lucifer. He merged and became one with the void which exists beyond all the high tier voids in DC.
 
@Nether Yes, I am assuming it, since summoning is a part of Living Tribunal's and In-Betweener's power sets

@Andrew already said Tribunal can't put down Spectre with raw power. He didn't beat Protégé with raw power either. Scathan simply 'disapproved' Protege's victory and boom, game over. Tribunal then simply absorbed the kid. He could simply repeat the same process all over again

Unless you can prove Spectre is as much above baseline as you claim
 
LT's best 1-A feats is that it literally took three Beyonders (who are 1-A) to take Living Tribunal down in a real fight. I would say that LT is a few degrees above baseline 1-A thereby since you need three 1-A Beyonders to kill the Living Tribunal in a hard fight. Scathan was enough to overpower Protege.

Spectre being fused with the Void beyond all Voids would put him above Pralaya and Mother Night. I'm not sure if being a Void embodiment is baseline 1-A or whatever.

Bottom line, there is already evidence VIA powerscaling that LT and Spectre are both above baseline 1-A.

I'm not sure how Spectre is going to deal with two 1-As (LT + Scathan) who are proven to be above baseline. Very interesting fight.
 
@Nether oh, alright. So Spectre scales above Mother Night and Pralaya since he's one with void beyond all voids while Pralaya and Night are embodiements of voids right?
 
Archetypal abstract analogues like opposites only exist within the Endless.

The Spectre has no opposite as far as I'm aware. And yes, Spectre would be above Mother Night and Pralaya.
 
If you ask me, it would be Oversoul Spectre. It took three 1-A Beyonders to kill LT. That's evidence of being above baseline. But Oversoul Spectre is beyond Pralaya and Mother Night and IIRC, being Void/Nothingness was decided to be above baseline around here.

LT doesn't really have a lot of good feats fighting other 1-As or scaling to them. Whenever the Living Tribunal fights other 1-As, it either goes really badly for him ( like when LT faced HOTU Thanos, Beyonders) or ALMOST badly for him (dealing with threats like Protege, Pre-Retcon Beyonder) and other Void 1-As equal to Pralaya and Night in Marvel would be something like Oblivion, and nobody agrees that LT would scale to Oblivion.
 
Nether nine said:
If you ask me, it would be Oversoul Spectre. It took three 1-A Beyonders to kill LT. That's evidence of being above baseline. But Oversoul Spectre is beyond Pralaya and Mother Night and IIRC, being Void/Nothingness was decided to be above baseline around here.

LT doesn't really have a lot of good feats fighting other 1-As or scaling to them. Whenever the Living Tribunal fights other 1-As, it either goes really badly for him ( like when LT faced HOTU Thanos, Beyonders) or ALMOST badly for him (dealing with threats like Protege, Pre-Retcon Beyonder) and other Void 1-As equal to Pralaya and Night in Marvel would be something like Oblivion, and nobody agrees that LT would scale to Oblivion.
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That is subjective now about LT scaling to oblivion. He didnt before because of the tier difference, but he is now 1-A and the guide book that supported him > oblivion cpuld still be valid.

Id go for inconclusive.
 
In the same guidebook oblivion is stated to be limited by cronal dimension. Originally he was only rated high 1b based on that
 
@Andrew @Ovrhide

Oblivion's relationship with LT and the other abstracts had always remained unclear. Perhaps the reason why Oblivion doesn't do anything directly away with the Multiverse already is because the Living Tribunal is preventing him from doing that.
 
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