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Momoshiki 4-C Upgrade

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So basically what I have here is statements saying momoshiki was draining a star, to multiple stars which would make him obviously 4-B but let's downplay him since this would mean he jumps a whole teir and the reason why Naruto and Sasuke by default compare "However, Kinshiki's expression was peaceful.
That was because this was the law in their clan.
"Come now…Momoshiki-sama." Kinshiki said. "It looks like the time has come for you to eat my chakra as well…"
Momoshiki was staring at him.
There was nothing else he could do.
"It is my duty as your parental role." Kinshiki guided Momoshiki just as he had done in the past. "The only thing I can pass onto you is power…Do not hesitate."
"…"
"Just as my parental role once entrusted his power to me….now I do to you."
"…Of course." Momoshiki extended his right hand towards Kinshiki.
The time had come.
Sucking up the power of jutsu from its very foundation.
It was given from parental role to child.
Chakra was no more than their clan's property"

Basically showing their impressiveness of becoming greater than the two alone (Kinshiki also compares by default)

so first I will give links the the stories translations but this is basically the exchange to look out for to start things off


"Momoshiki, who had passed from being an ogre into a comrade-eating fiend and transformed into a inhumane demon, began to suck in the chakra from his surroundings.
He was even draining the chakra that was beyond the parallel dimension he'd made. Sasuke could clearly see the stream with his rinnegan.
It could mean only one thing.
"Don't tell me he's…!"
"Aa. He plans to indiscriminately eat up all of this star's chakra."
They couldn't allow such a thing to happen.
This wasn't a problem of scrambling for the bijuu anymore.
This was a question of whether mankind who lived on this star would be able to greet tomorrow.
"There will be destruction."


So the statements being, " "Don't tell me he's…! Aa. He plans to indiscriminately eat up all of this star's chakra." and "This was a question of whether mankind who lived on this star (in this solar system) would be able to greet tomorrow.". all visting the same link just giving you the statements to look out for
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As seen here with Momoshiki growing numerous god tree's that were draining the solar system completly. And even stated that earth was "An adequate harvest" implying the former wasn't.

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"He was even draining the chakra that was beyond the parallel dimension he'd made." (Again refering to the same link) but basically bare minimum here Momoshiki created a parallel dimension and drained chakra from it, the definintion of a parallel dimension alone means he was draining a bare minimum solar system this feat would make him Universal because he would be draining the infinitely expanding universe.

But alas "No LiMiTs fAlLaCy", "OuTlIEer", "HyPeRBoLE", would slap me too hard so I think this is enough evidence to jump pretty much Naruto, Sasuke, and Momoshiki would be 4-C at least


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this is a content revision my child. but ill endulge in it anyways. for one, the probality of the star drain being mistranslated is humongous. the name for star and planet is the same, in jap, i think. i could be wrong. another one is consistancy- not only was nothing of this lvl even remotly shown, he seemed to have no sold this feat, with the only other feat coming close to it is kaguya's mega expansive TSB, which is literally her strongest jutsu in her strongest state. he cant be that much stronger that her. thats it for now, from me tho.
 
We discussed this multiple times with people using that "He's absorbing the chakra from a star". 4-C, I personally think it's an outlier let alone 4-B.

Plus we don't know how long it took him to create this dimension. Also I thought it was clear having said amount of chakra =/= that level. Otherwise Kisame would have the Attack Potency of a Tailed Beast in base. So Momoshiki's absorbing the chakra from a star shouldn't turn him into a star buster.

Regardless considering the last time this was attempted it became a shit storm I'm tempted to close this but then y'all get mad. I'll leave this open for now and let others handle it, I don't have the time nor energy for this thread.
 
^^^^ Plus apparently, Kaguya could only destroy the dimension from the combined chakra of everyone on the planet
 
well, the chakra from everyone on the planet= her chakra, so its not like the ETSB was her actual max. she was prolly stronger during hamura/hagoromo era
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
We discussed this multiple times with people using that "He's absorbing the chakra from a star". 4-C, I personally think it's an outlier let alone 4-B.
Plus we don't know how long it took him to create this dimension. Also I thought it was clear having said amount of chakra =/= that level. Otherwise Kisame would have the Attack Potency of a Tailed Beast in base. So Momoshiki's absorbing the chakra from a star shouldn't turn him into a star buster.

Regardless considering the last time this was attempted it became a shit storm I'm tempted to close this but then y'all get mad. I'll leave this open for now and let others handle it, I don't have the time nor energy for this thread.
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Again 4-C is downplay considering it was multiple planets including a start around him


You can infer he was equivalent to Kaguya since he does scale FAR above her. Kisame doesn't use Samehada's chakra in terms of attack. and even then Kisame scaled to Bee using tailed bijju mode even Guy going 7th gate all in base 7th guy was capable of this
7th gate GUy
 
^^ Far above bijju level


So to conclude I used evidence that can't be swatted by outlier seeing as how Momoshiki has more than one statements and confirmation scans to back it so you need direct contradicting evidence because the burden of proof is on those saying no
 
If that were the case then Madara can just destroy anything in the universe since it was stated to be the case.

And if it was that way, all the ninjas and other life on the planet must be above planet level, even children
 
CNBA3 said:
If that were the case then Madara can just destroy anything in the universe since it was stated to be the case.
And if it was that way, all the ninjas and other life on the planet must be above planet level, even children
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Does he have contradicting evidence against him? The answer? Yes he does whereas again where is your contradicting evidence against this? And saying in part that Momoshiki was probaby bolo'ing tf out of those "other life on planets" doesn't put them anywhere.


So I don't know what the point of that arguement is but if that was your way of calling outlier then it was petty and quite honestly pathetic.
 
It is a outlier because there is no way for even regular humans to have more chakra than a Tail beast, even a Juubi has a chakra estimated to be a small planet, which would be utterly crazy. well that is easy, because that puts Momoshiki at planet level because we don't see him doing it all at once in an entire volume of space which is different, plus there is the fact that Naruto and Sasuke who have not been in top condiction nor improved from their peak since Kaguya.
 
Is Kisame regular? Is Tsunadi regular? Is Hashirama regular? Is Madara regular? Is Guy regular? The list goes on to a high degree man...


The fact that unironically claimed that Adult Naruto and Sasuke don't finger flick their teen versions auto exempts any further arguements from you I reccommend you go to my blog or other Momoshiki scaling that got verified for more on why you shouldn't make that claim agai

Also scans confirmed Kagyua no matter how you look at it created another universe or solar system low-balled in that dimension, not just a planet so she should actually be 4-C with downplay but a downplay that can pit her at 5-A is she wasn't going to erase that dimension just the planet.
 
Regular enough to be below god tiers which makes it just PIS, especially when Sakura punched Kaguya in the face. Whelp, everything you just said is just screaming outlier. It is just reality warping, doesn't apply to AP
 
Not that I really agree with either, but the raikage has already been stated to have chakra on the level of tailed beasts, Madara with susanoo is more than comparable to kurama so you can in fact have chakra levels comparable to tailed beasts as a human.
 
I may have over exaggerated with scaling but i mean come on, a regular human having chakra that can make planets? Because apparently this is what the thread is going for
 
actually, the juubi is legit stated to look like the moon, when comparing both of its and earth's chakra. this is more backing up tbh lol
 
I never said Momonshiki was regular human, but "a" regular human having planet level chakra for Kaguya to harvest for the ETSB
 
Kaguya would normally not even need humans to do that, she literally made her dimensions way before she came to Earth. Which her ETSB was going to do. In fact it is more likely that the only reason she needed human chakra to perform it was because she ran out from hopping around to other dimensions too much and so needed to replenish quicker than usual.
 
And that is where the issue comes in, regular humans having planet level chakra reserves or higher? That would put everyone on that level at least. And in the end, she was sealed in a moon, way below star or universe level
 
The size of the seal does not mean anything it is the power behind the seal that matters. Orochimaru was sealed in a gourd the size of a cupboard.

I don't think you understand that seals are had not ap based. You do realize the like 50 ninja were going to help provide chakra to teleport a while moon right?

I don't know why you are bringing up universal level either. And what her getting chakra enough to blow up at least a planet is not more has to do with anything.
 
That gourd is not even relevant as it is supernatural in nature while the moon is just collection of earth which can be calced

Teleport is not the same as AP, that is just BFR.

She said it would destroy the entire dimension to create a new one, which this thread says it is big enough to hold countless stars
 
A collection of earth with specific black hole like center and after it is used a huge sage guy appears out of no where and puts his hand together, where a dimensional teleporter could not teleport yeah bull shit. It is definitely no normal moon what do you think the guy appearing behind her was doing. Calling chibaku tensei a simple collection of earth is so disingenuous it is ridiculous. Like call the infinite tsukuyomi moonlight. You do know that her physical body is not sealed in the moon after the CS is don't right? She becomes a literal gedo statue, which you can only call her out of by feeding tailed beast chakra to.

Does not matter to shift something that huge a huge amount of chakra is needed.

Yeah and it had at least a planet I'm it if not a star as well, I don't get your point here either you are saying black zetsu was lying and people could not provide the chakra to destroy the planet or people were going to provide the chakra to destroy the planet. So considering she was not lying I am going for the latter. The dimension with countless stars in it is momoshiki's.
 
I don't find a gravitational well to be bs, that is how Celestial bodies are made, not conventional of coarse but relavent to scale to. And that sage dude is not really relevant either besides calling the gravity well as it doesn't really serve any other purpose other than to show the sealing is complete. If it doesn't destroy the moon then it is just teleport, it would be range but no DC. I am saying that if the dimension is the size of the universe or holds enough space to be filled with planets then each individual human or animal must have enough chakra collectively to destroy this entire dimension, likely Solar System with what the past threads said. Do you are saying that Momoshiki is Universe Level?
 
Or it just means the jutsu is that powerful regardless of chakra. You are extrapolating things to ridiculous levels to prove you point.
 
And what does kaguya have to do with momoshiki statements not to mention you ignored the rest of my points about the gedo statue.
 
Also she was simply gaining back the chakra she gave to her kids a lot of it was most likely from the tree as well. Either way all this have been discussed before and not accepted wait for more feats OP.
 
Not really as the Juubi/Kaguya Level is based on what the fruit alone provided which is equivalent to the planet itself. So there is no extrapolation here. The hero statue is irrelavent as it relates to the point I made above. Which again was chakra from the planet, which we would know how much one holds in comparison to the rest of the population in current time. Though this could be added to the chakra she already holds but I digress

Wait you mean the this upgrade is not accepted?
 
I don't even know what you said in that last comment or how it relates to anything I said.

Kaguya created her dimensions before the juubi was even a thing. The fruit have her more powers. The juubi came much later during her fight with her sons. The gedo statue point is that she is not physically sealed because she is not physically in the statue or else black zetsu would just break the statue and get her out. She instead had to come out of Madara. In other words the size of the seal does not matter only the power behind the people who put it there do. Why do you think Sasuke only sealed momoshiki in a building sized chibaku tensei in episode 65 after he knows her is more powerful than kaguya physically.
 
Did you see planets or stars inside those dimensions before eating the fruit? How is the good statue relevant? The point is that she became one with the god tree which become the Juubi that seeks to absorb all the chakra of the planet, and the sons managed to rip out the chakra. Which doesn't change anything and is is stated above. It is not the size that counts, it is the power behind it, and we can tell by the creation of the moon, Sasuke cannot do the same thing without performing the SPCT, his CT is not the same thing, even without getting some new extrapolent power up they still managed to beat Momoshiki who powered up as well and needed an external source to help him out.
 
What has this got to do with anything, her dimension is not the same one that earth is in. That is literally what I have been saying that it is not the size of the CT that matters that is my point. Saying she cant destroy a moon sized seal has got to do with the seal not the size. Holy shit...

My point is the size of it does not matter because CT is not just a moon but one that seals their abilities as well and relies of the strength of the user, if not Sasuke would not have used it
 
It has to do a lot actually, because a regular CT is not enough to seal someone like Kaguya, it had to be a more powerful one with the sage's chakra and seal away the rinnesharingan. I have been saying the same thing all along, it is not the size, it is the power behind it. Sasuke could not do it alone, he had to have Naruto as well and the sages chakra to do it.
 
It has to be a specific one using sage chakra because you need the sun and moon seal, that is it.

Then if you are saying it is not the size that matters why did you mention it being moon sized in the first place.
 
That is my point as well, that is why a regular one is not strong enough. It may seal her rinnesharingan but that is just about it for the supernatural part, everything else is scalable. Wait, when did I say the size of the moon to be sealed in? I said that it has to be something strong enough to hold her. Which is the power to create the moon.
 
The word for star and planet is the same on Japanese (hoshi), so Japanese speakers have to add context to differentiate between either.

It's stated that there were living beings and wildlife on the surface of the celestial body Momoshiki drained, so in context the correct translation is clearly planet.

In the movie we even get to see the dead planet.

Draining a planet is barely High 6-A, let alone 4-C. This feat has been debunked countless times by now.
 
And there we have it, no upgrade. Not to mention his is the retconned movie ln anyway. The new anime based lns are the canon ones now and have a better star type feat, but again not enough evidence so this should probably be closed.
 
Kepekley23 said:
This is nonsense. The word for star and planet is the same on Japanese (hoshi). It's stated that there were living beings and wildlife on the surface of the celestial body Momoshiki drained, so in context the correct translation is clearly planet.
Draining a planet is barely High 6-A, let alone 4-C. This feat has been debunked countless times by nw.
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You definietly see multiple if not numerous planets hence "solar system"

And again there are possibly an arguement to be made for the planets I could debunk that later...

But then again the dimension feat and via scaling this should just default make him 4-C "at least"

Also draining "one" planet maybe ;3
 
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