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Okay so
Here's the jist of it
Right now, our Stomp Page says this:
"A Stomp thread is when one character is immediately able to win against another, whether it is via battlefield removal, incapacitation or killing, with the opponent having no chance to retort with their own abilities or statistics."
On several occasions is that highlighted bit not in need to be the case for someone to have absolutely no chance of winning. For example, Ryüko Matoi's existence for one and The Lich (Enter the Gungeon)'s existence for two. Immortality that makes you unbeatable not instantly winning you the fight does not make the fight any less onesided, if you feel me.
That's fine and dandy, but, let's talk about the main problem on our hands:
Determining if a character has a win condition using out of character actions
The first notion where this has really shined to light is Yang vs Dio
Now, if you look in that thread, you'll see I did not take Weekly's side (because let's be honest, even if you like Weekly, you don't like some of his forkery), but in retrospect....
Let's lay it out
Yang's ability to win and not get stomped is 100% based on essentially getting bloodlusted out of nowhere and rangespamming for dear life so Dio doesn't just outright freeze her arms and probably pull an Adam Taurus (no I'm not sorry)
Which is ludicrous and I don't see any possible way that would happen
An even worse example is Superman vs Godzilla
Superman's wincon relies on both getting bloodlusted out of nowhere, not passively dying to the rads Godzilla is leaking out (which is up in the air, let's be fair), and Godzilla's radar teleporting getting smacked with PIS
Specifically, he would, and I am not kidding you, Nuke the entire planet Earth so Godzilla doesn't have anywhere to dodge via his auto radar teleporting. Despite the fact said teleport can go to other planets and quickly figure out to not stick around wherever Superman is aiming, and the fact that it's forking Superman why would he ever in the history of ever want to nuke his hometown over a stupid lizard
There are probably worse examples of this, but, let's just get to the point I'm getting at.
Here's what to discuss:
Should the Stomp Page be updated?
With which suggestions out of these?
Are victories via going extremely out of character valid to make something not a stomp?
Are conditions where one side is impossible to really beat, but doesn't win immedately, rather overtime, a stomp?
I won't really be able to say much in this thread for a bit, but, that's all I have to say, now you need to say stuff.
Here's the jist of it
Right now, our Stomp Page says this:
"A Stomp thread is when one character is immediately able to win against another, whether it is via battlefield removal, incapacitation or killing, with the opponent having no chance to retort with their own abilities or statistics."
On several occasions is that highlighted bit not in need to be the case for someone to have absolutely no chance of winning. For example, Ryüko Matoi's existence for one and The Lich (Enter the Gungeon)'s existence for two. Immortality that makes you unbeatable not instantly winning you the fight does not make the fight any less onesided, if you feel me.
That's fine and dandy, but, let's talk about the main problem on our hands:
Determining if a character has a win condition using out of character actions
The first notion where this has really shined to light is Yang vs Dio
Now, if you look in that thread, you'll see I did not take Weekly's side (because let's be honest, even if you like Weekly, you don't like some of his forkery), but in retrospect....
Let's lay it out
Yang's ability to win and not get stomped is 100% based on essentially getting bloodlusted out of nowhere and rangespamming for dear life so Dio doesn't just outright freeze her arms and probably pull an Adam Taurus (no I'm not sorry)
Which is ludicrous and I don't see any possible way that would happen
An even worse example is Superman vs Godzilla
Superman's wincon relies on both getting bloodlusted out of nowhere, not passively dying to the rads Godzilla is leaking out (which is up in the air, let's be fair), and Godzilla's radar teleporting getting smacked with PIS
Specifically, he would, and I am not kidding you, Nuke the entire planet Earth so Godzilla doesn't have anywhere to dodge via his auto radar teleporting. Despite the fact said teleport can go to other planets and quickly figure out to not stick around wherever Superman is aiming, and the fact that it's forking Superman why would he ever in the history of ever want to nuke his hometown over a stupid lizard
There are probably worse examples of this, but, let's just get to the point I'm getting at.
Here's what to discuss:
Should the Stomp Page be updated?
With which suggestions out of these?
Are victories via going extremely out of character valid to make something not a stomp?
Are conditions where one side is impossible to really beat, but doesn't win immedately, rather overtime, a stomp?
I won't really be able to say much in this thread for a bit, but, that's all I have to say, now you need to say stuff.