Dragon Ball Heroes/Xenoverse Infinite speed

Zenkaibattery1 · Nov 15, 2018

https://imgur.com/a/0nxM2 The Demon Realm isn't apart of time

https://imgur.com/a/wDRA0 It isn't apart of history

https://imgur.com/a/FGpAo The Demon Realm is outside the flow of time

This was accepted before. It was even agreed to be a true void by the majority of the staff, but for some reason it got placed as a type 2.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1703381

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1706400

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1712347

Kepekley23

"Just a note, I don't think the Demon Realm should be the example for Type 2. It was agreed to be a true void. This whole debate came to be because people were arguing that it being a timeless void wasn't enough. Another example should be used."

DragonEmperor23 · Nov 15, 2018

Looks good. Who scales?

Zenkaibattery1 · Nov 15, 2018

All Demons and Xeno Goku cause he's constantly potrayed to be superior to most of them, and FW for the same reason

DragonEmperor23 · Nov 15, 2018

Do we have a Beat profile?

Elizhaa · Nov 15, 2018

I would agree but it seems like it wasn't accepted in the last thread

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1712347

FTW395

So just to clarify DB Heroes isn't getting infinite speed?

16:39, June 3, 2018

[1]

Matthew Schroeder

No.

16:44, June 3, 2018

[2]

FTW395

reply to #177

Matthew Schroeder wrote:
No.

Alright, good to know

17:18, June 3, 2018

[3]

RapidMotorcycle19

reply to #177

Matthew Schroeder wrote:
No.

Can i ask why? Because i am sure we agreed it should 5 threads ago.

17:21, June 3, 2018

[4]

Dragonmasterxyz

Not the place for this people. You want to question whether DBH is Infinite speed, make a separate thread.

17:22, June 3, 2018

[5]

RapidMotorcycle19

I think ill do just that, but in a while.

17:25, June 3, 2018

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Matthew Schroeder

It wasn't agreed it would. It was debated extensively and ultimately rejected. Please don't start this all over again Rapid.

Zenkaibattery1 · Nov 15, 2018

Majority of staff accepted it as a true void in the final thread for the guidelines, only Matthew was pushing against it. Kep said it was accepted as a true void

Theglassman12 · Nov 15, 2018

the infinite statements seem legit.

Zenkaibattery1 · Nov 15, 2018

So that's 3 agreements so far. 2 being staff. Cool

Magi_Hussie · Nov 15, 2018

Seems legit to me as well.

TISSG7Redgrave · Nov 15, 2018

seems legit from a glance

InfiniteBlack123 · Nov 15, 2018

Pretty legit imo. Can change with later info and retcon but right now it is a true timeless void.

Dark649 · Nov 15, 2018

I already agreed with Infinite Speed in a past thread.

Antvasima · Nov 15, 2018

It would be good if somebody asks Sera, Kepekley, and Azathoth to comment here.

Quantu · Nov 15, 2018

I may not agree with 6-D but I agree with infinite speed.

I remember in the last thread many staff agreed aswell.

DMB_1 · Nov 15, 2018

So, I'm going to play the devil's advocate:

From what I'm seeing, it seems that the Realm itself is outside of the Multiverse's time, rather than not there being time inside of the Realm.

I do remember being some scans about the heroes not being able to use time hax in the demon realm because of the absence of time though.

Can someone message Ryu?

Seventy96 · Nov 15, 2018

dis gon bi gud

EmperorRorepmeThree · Nov 15, 2018

I agree.

DMB_1 · Nov 15, 2018

Can someone argue with my previous post?

SSBXeno573 · Nov 15, 2018

Let's see

>From what I'm seeing, it seems that the Realm itself is outside of the Multiverse's time

Xeno Goku's SS4 transformation warps/messes with time. However, the Kaioshin of Time reassures him that the Demon Realm isn't a part of time.

Source: https://imgur.com/a/sQbLra1

https://imgur.com/a/0nxM2

Pretty sure him being able to freely using his SS4 form without warping time shows this

We also have Chronoa stopping Mira in time. Mira is so fast that he manages to get out of it. Trunks then comments on Mira's speed by stating "so fast! In just an instant"

Source: https://imgur.com/a/INNsf

The_real_cal_howard · Nov 15, 2018

I always trusted Ever's judgement with this. So I'll stay in my neutrality. Just know that I don't necessarily disagree. That's what's important.

ShadowWarrior1999 · Nov 15, 2018

I'm just going to side with whatever Matthew says regarding this.

DMB_1 · Nov 15, 2018

By the way, this would scale to:

Don't know about Future Warrior and Future Warrior (Xenoverse 2).

Theglassman12 · Nov 15, 2018

Both future warriors should scale since they fought demigra and mira respectively

DMB_1 · Nov 15, 2018

This mostly applies to Dragon Ball Heroes, but I also recall the Demon Realm being stated to have no time in Xenoverse too.

Magi_Hussie · Nov 15, 2018

Agree: 10

Neutral: 1

Disagree: 0

Elizhaa · Nov 15, 2018

Sorry, for the confusion, I meant to say that I agree earlier

Zenkaibattery1 · Nov 15, 2018

I asked Kep to message here. Pretty sure he'll be in agreeance cause he was the one pushing for it to be a true void originally

Quantu · Nov 15, 2018

Pretty sure only Matt vehemently disagrees with this, so you should ask him to come here to explain.

Warren_Valion · Nov 15, 2018

I have informed Matthew Schroeder on this thread's existence.

EmperorRorepmeThree · Nov 15, 2018

The only arguments I see against this is. Either outlier or inconsistent. Lack of feats. Moving outside of time =/= infinite speed. Somehow debunked because Goku keeps up with them instead of Goku scaling. I feel as though this will likely go nowhere again and ignored. Even though most people agree and more mods agree then disagree,

EmperorRorepmeThree · Nov 15, 2018

Demons should definitely get it though I don't see why not.

Matthew_Schroeder · Nov 15, 2018

Nobody should get it because the void doesn't fulfill the characteristics of a real void plus it would be an outlier if it did.

Saying that it was accepted by staff before is a definitive lie as it would be on the profiles. It isn't. Xenoverse doesn't have Infinite Speed. That is so obvious to anyone who even plays the games.

DMB_1 · Nov 15, 2018

I still don't get why this would be an outlier since it would just scale to the strongest characters?

The_Calaca · Nov 15, 2018

@EMperorRorepme

You did a Nostradamus

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Matthew_Schroeder · Nov 15, 2018

DMB 1 said:
I still don't get why this would be an outlier since it would just scale to the strongest characters?

Literally because every feat of speed they have is not infinite.

DMB_1 · Nov 15, 2018

Matthew Schroeder said:
Literally because every feat of speed they have is not infinite.

Such as?

The characters get a considerable boost since the Heroes BoG saga, where the highest final spee feat is performed.

Besides, it's not like there are a lot of traveling feats that they do via speed at that point. In fact, any at all. They all use teleportation etcetera.

There aren't many things that could contradict this.

Matthew_Schroeder · Nov 15, 2018

There is everything that contradicts this. The entire cosmology and the lack of demonstrable void characteristics in the space. It's not a feat of speed. It's on the same level as the World of Void imo.

Matthew_Schroeder · Nov 15, 2018

Also 90% sure that Kep isn't in favor of this and the OP is just trying to misrepresent statements to support his cause.

ShadowWarrior1999 · Nov 15, 2018

Yeah I agree with Matt.

Also considerable boost =/= you become infinitely faster than before.

Darkmon_cns · Nov 15, 2018

Matthew Schroeder said:
Also 90% sure that Kep isn't in favor of this and the OP is just trying to misrepresent statements to support his cause.

Then what did Kep mean when he said that?

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