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Bellum upgrade?

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Bellum was stated to absorb almost all of the power from True Form Oshus, who controls the entirety of the World of the Ocean King, which has massive islands and oceans in it. I think that Bellum should be buffed to "at least 6B, likely far higher", due to the power he absorbed from Oshus.
 
I agree that they should be much higher than High 6-C; and World of the Ocean King having its own sun might be legit, but I'd prefer to here more input.
 
The word "sun" is also consistently used in PH. Here's the transcript of it

This is no time to
sunbathe, kid!

Let's ship out!
[.]Yes[.]No

I was dragged to the
sunless depths of the
temple...

No. Once the Sand of
Hours has drained, its
power is lost.
It needs the light of the
sun to restore its mystical
power.

My gilt minions are strew
over the seas. Six minions
total, sparkling in the sun!
Find them! Ask them! They
each know one symbol!

The Goron at this spot!
What is he staring at?
[.]Ship[.]Seagull[.]Sun[.]Gorohint

Just look at that sun again!
It's so bright!

Heh, strange-lookin' key
you got there.

It's shaped like the sun,
but what's that supposed
to mean, kid?

I'm not doubting anyone doubting there's a sun I'm just putting this here just to show how many times it's mentioned in Realm of the Ocean King.
 
I'm quite sure Oshus is only the guardian of the world and that he cannot freely manipulate it. He also didn't create the world of the ocean king as Hyrule Historia confirms that it was createdby the 3 GGs.
 
So should we close this?
 
TriforcePower1 said:
I'm quite sure Oshus is only the guardian of the world and that he cannot freely manipulate it. He also didn't create the world of the ocean king as Hyrule Historia confirms that it was createdby the 3 GGs.
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Where does the hyrule historia confirm the GGs created it? Oshus also makes several statements to protecting and controlling it's very waters and life.
 
https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Ocean_King

"While in his Oshus guise, the Ocean King's powers are rather limited compared to his true form due to losing most of his Life Force. Despite this, he can still use some of his powers, such as instantly sending people into different places, reuniting Ciela with her other half and fusing the Phantom Hourglass with the Phantom Sword itself. This coupled with his wisdom, still makes him a powerful being.

In his true form, the Ocean King has a great amount of Life Force within him which allows him to use mystical powers. These powers include granting wishes for a person, sending people and items to different worlds, making an avatar of himself as an old man, sensing the evil acts of Bellum, creating his own world and surviving the curse which Bellum places on him."
 
"Though the waters of the Ocean King exist in a different world from that of Tetra, Link, and the pirates, the crests of Hyrule's three gods can still be found in the Ocean King's temple. Because of this, it is highly possible that the waters of the Ocean King were created by the same gods as Hyrule." (Hyrule Historia (Dark Horse Comics), pg. 130)
 
Keyword: Highly possible

It's also basing that off of the crests there even though they're not even referred to as triforce but "force pieces".
 
It says "highly probable" just because HH still wants to use the myth like narration that Zelda often uses.

Meanwhile, there's no proof of the Ocean King creating the world he guards.
 
>Zeldapedia isn't canon

>Yeah, because he's its guardian deity. The world of Hyrule is called after Hylia, but she didn't create it

>Hyrule Encyclopedia (despite me disagreeing with it) is non-canon. Even then, manipulating its time=/=AP nor proof he created it

>Manga isn't canon
 
>Quote where I said it's canon please.

>The world of Hyrule is based off Hylia's name, the world of the ocean king is outright called by his name. False equivalence.

>What about it is remotely non-canon? You seem to be strawmanning me a lot. Quote where I've said ver batim "Manipulating its time is creating it" I said that adds on to the proof that he can manipulate the world of the ocean king.

>That's still as secondary statement.
 
So there seems to be debate whether or not Ocean King created it, but it's still heavily implied he reality warps it. Which Reality Warping can scale to AP depending on the situation. Seems the discussion is ongoing though.
 
Yes. What, if anything, needs to be changed depending on the outcome?
 
Manipulating the flow of time, him claiming the creation is his domain, him at full power being able to take Tetra and Link out of his world and put them back into Hyrule, there's a lot heavily implying he warps it.
 
All of that stuff could have easily be done without assuming he can warp the entirety of it. Where's the statement of him creating it? Zeldapedia is created by fans, btw.
 
That only applys to the triforce users which Bellum is not, and the profiles that scale reality warping to AP without using a powersource needs to be revised.
 
@Dark

Reality Warping in general scales to AP. Also, in this case you could say both come from Oshus's life force, so GG regardless.

@Giver

I thought you thought it was canon as you used a statement from there
 
">Quote where I said it's canon please."

Tfw Tri-San ignored this ƒÿö.

Oshus literally manifested the physical manifestation of all life force with sand of hours. I used the wiki quote just to further back up my point that Ocean King is more then just a mere defender of creation. On the topic of High 6-C Zelda, that needs to like... really get revised. I don't see where X scaling to alternate timeline bosses come from and it's so arbitrary.
 
Dark649 said:
That only applys to the triforce users which Bellum is not, and the profiles that scale reality warping to AP without using a powersource needs to be revised.
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This is most likely correct.
 
GiverOfThePeace said:
On the topic of High 6-C Zelda, that needs to like... really get revised. I don't see where X scaling to alternate timeline bosses come from and it's so arbitrary.
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I thought they scaled from Argorok feat [Scales to the other end-game bosses] which dropped from High 6-B to High 6-C due to CAPE, Bellum reality warping is legit but only scales to him via said ability.
 
Argoroks feat dropped to barely 6-C iirc, High 6-C comes from Georg in Majoras Mask which I also think is very arbitrary.
 
Well, the others might be downgraded to 6-C since there are no connections between Termina / Majora's and Hyrule / Ganon minions aside from being an alternative dimension.
 
If the reality warping feat was applied to ap only three other other characters would have only scaled, Malladus and the Link's that defeated them.
 
Dark649 said:
I thought they scaled from Argorok feat [Scales to the other end-game bosses] which dropped from High 6-B to High 6-C due to CAPE, Bellum reality warping is legit but only scales to him via said ability.
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Why would someone from a different timeline scale to other timeline bosses? That seems very arbitrary. Zelda verse hax is done via magic and characters in-verse can tank their own magic.
 
Before continuing we should decide a solid tier for the feat, but It's been a long time since i saw the game, so i don't remember if there was images about how big the world of the Ocean King was, i also think that Malladus might be higher due to his statement.
 
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