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Zzsax · Oct 5, 2018

MINOR REVISONS OR RATHER ADDITIONS FOR RUKIA KUCHIKI, ICHIBEI HYOUSUBE AND STERNRITTERS

Okay,i know there are a lot of pending revision thread now, and I have been holding back from adding to the pile,but these are minor and non-controversial and more of a clean up of the profiles,so it should be smooth sailing ~~maybe~~

Rukia Gets One HitKill via Absolute Zero

It is the ultimate form of freezing and in the theoretical situation that someone is exposed to it, their body will be frozen at the atomic level before collapsing under their own mass since the loss of energy causes the atoms to lose their cohesiveness. Due to the nature of the ability working on the atomic level,it can be considered a formof Durability Negation, ignoring conventional defenses unless a character is shown to be able to resist such attacks.

According to vsbattle standard,Rukia's shikai,more so her bankai,is undoubtedly an OHK,One Hit Kill

ICHIBEI GETS STATISTIC REDUCTION

Statistics Reduction reduces the overall parameters of one's opponent, such as physical or magical strength, defense, or speed, to hamper their fighting capabilities.

Ichibei's brush is able to cut in half the name of anything it touches and by extension it's abilities,both physical and magical,like cutting the strength of yhwach arm in half,and cutting the strength of his entire body,weaknening him to the extent of being able to toss Yhwach several hundred metres like a ragdoll with a casual brush stroke.

STERNRITTERS GETS TOTAL IMMUNITY TO PARALYSIS VIA RASOUTENGAI

Rasoutengai.An ability possesed by Quincy whereby they puppeteer their body via spiritual energy.i propose immunity and not resistance because of the nature of the ability, it is practically impossible to paralyze a quincy's body even if you stop neurons from going to the brain or you destroy physiology vital for movement,so unless you can paralyze spirit particles.....

This should scale to elite quincies which are the sternritters, because it's a general Quincy technique and BOS Baby Ishida and Quilge opil(Mr J),who aren't that notable was capable of this.

Damage3245 · Oct 5, 2018

Why can't you just puts links to the pages in the OP instead of a huge column of images?

EDIT: Also, do you have any evidence that all Sternritter have Rasoutengai?

MachTwo · Oct 5, 2018

For Rasoutengai. I think that depends on how you try to paralyze them, I believe you can still paralyze them if you use Bakudo or something similar, and speaking of Bakudō Ichibe need paralyze via Bakudō #62.

I think Bakudō fall under Paralysis Inducement i this wiki.

Zzsax · Oct 5, 2018

@damage It is a general Quincy technique,so all elite quincies should have it.the fact that BOS ishida and Quilge has it should be evidence,if a non-pure Teenage Quincy has it(neither notable),then logic states older pure elite quincies,who grew in the quincy culture should have it.

Damage3245 · Oct 5, 2018

I don't think it is usual for abilities to be scaled that way on this site.

Usually a person has to at least demonstrate or state that they have the ability to do it before being given it. After all what if some of the Sternritter didn't train in Rasoutengai? Being a Quincy, and being able to use Quincy techniques, does not mean you are able to use all Quincy techniques.

Zzsax · Oct 5, 2018

@Damage

Well that's like saying they all don't helig pfiel or blut or Sklaveri vollstandig,or in shinigami's case shikai.that's why It's a general Quincy technique like those afomentioned.

Damage3245 · Oct 5, 2018

> Sklaveri

I was actually going to make a revision thread at some point about changing their abilities through Sklaveri to have a 'Possibly' qualifier at the front.

Since it is without proof that they 100% have them and can use them, I would say that having a Possibly qualifier is to be expected.

Also, Rasoutengai is not a common Quincy ability. Mayuri never encountered a Quincy that could use it before Ishida.

Zzsax · Oct 5, 2018

MachTwo said:
For Rasoutengai. I think that depends on how you try to paralyze them, I believe you can still paralyze them if you use Bakudo or something similar, and speaking of Bakudō Ichibe need paralyze via Bakudō #62.

I think Bakudō fall under Paralysis Inducement i this wiki.

That is closer to binding or sealing than paralysis.

Zzsax · Oct 5, 2018

Damage3245 said:
> Sklaveri

I was actually going to make a revision thread at some point about changing their abilities through Sklaveri to have a 'Possibly' qualifier at the front.

Since it is without proof that they 100% have them and can use them, I would say that having a Possibly qualifier is to be expected.

Also, Rasoutengai is not a common Quincy ability. Mayuri never encountered a Quincy that could use it before Ishida.

But Sklaveri is just their regular Quincy reishi gathering ability enhanced by vollstandig,anyone having vollstandig should have it.i think BOS ishida also proves that

MachTwo · Oct 5, 2018

I believe there are several Shinigami who have Paralysis Inducement via Bakudo

Byakuya and Kisuke for example so maybe it need to be changed?

Zzsax · Oct 5, 2018

@Damage

And am not saying 100% has it, just logically the elites

Damage3245 · Oct 5, 2018

Zzsax said:
But Sklaveri is just their regular Quincy reishi gathering ability enhanced by vollstandig,anyone having vollstandig should have it.i think BOS ishida also proves that

Even Ishida didn't use it to anywhere near the extent that Quilge did, but I'll save that for another thread if you want.

Zzsax · Oct 5, 2018

MachTwo said:
I believe there are several Shinigami who has Paralysis Inducement via Bakudo

Byakuya and Kisuke for example so maybe it need to be changed?

Well I don't know,the technique does stop you from moving..and we are still unsure how it does that but it's likely by restraining the person..but IMO its mechanics are closer to binding than traditional paralysis.

Zzsax · Oct 5, 2018

Even Ishida didn't use it to anywhere near the extent that Quilge did, but I'll save that for another thread if you want.

That's because Ishida used Letz still not vollstandig.. Letz still is a confirmed weaker version of vollstandig.

You could create the thread but I don't think it's necessary,proves are in excess

Damage3245 · Oct 5, 2018

It would go by the same logic as Portal Creation for a lot of DBZ/DBS characters; where they Possibly have it but have not demonstrated the actual ability in use.

So if you want to add it on to the elite Sternritter profiles, I would strongly recommend adding the possibly qualifier onto it.

And the same should be done for the abilities granted by Sklaveri.

AnonymousBlank · Oct 5, 2018

Logically, all SR should be capable of Ransotengai seeing as Ishida used it as a noob.

Sklaverei was only ever used by Quilge and was dependent on his halo, something Ishida didn't have in Letzt Stil. Other SR would get a possibly but it should be noted that they go for everything else first.

Damage3245 · Oct 5, 2018

Even if they are capable of it in theory, that does not prove they can actually use it. At best it should have a Possibly in front of it.

And it is hardly a noob-level technique. Mayuri encountered thousands of Quincy but never saw one that could use it until Ishida.

AnonymousBlank · Oct 5, 2018

Never said it was a noob level technique, I said Ishida was a noob. I mean BoS Ishida couldn't even scratch a casual 20% Renji, spends 7 days straight shooting arrows (no other training) and uses Ransotengai a few nights into SS, its fair to say those Quincy sucked ass. The SR, and especially the SS, are well beyond nameless fodders and a lot of them have been around for a millennia.

Damage3245 · Oct 5, 2018

So being more powerful equals being more skilled? That doesn't really make sense, especially when the majority of Sternritters rarely use advanced Quincy techniques.

AnonymousBlank · Oct 5, 2018

Its not like they most had the oppurtunity and the others didn't have the need.

A is the verse's mac daddy of lolnope, B transfers damage, C regens, D gains immunity and regens, J did use it, M regens, S regens, V can just think, and Z walks it off.

The ones who had no oppurtunity - E, F, G, H, I, K, L, N, O, P, Q, R, T, U, W, X, Y1 and Y2.

Zzsax · Oct 5, 2018

Damage3245 said:
So being more powerful equals being more skilled? That doesn't really make sense, especially when the majority of Sternritters rarely use advanced Quincy techniques.

Probably because they were spamming their schrift and it also depends on the situation..i don't think any quincy was ever in a paralyzed state.save ishida and Quilge,who resorted to rasoutengai

Also Mayuri made it clear,its a general quincy technique,why would the elites Quincies not have it

Dr.Fix · Oct 5, 2018

Ichibei is fine to be added.

Paralysis should be okay for Uryu and Kirge. I would hold back applying it to all quincy but seeing as someone already jumped the gun and put ransötengai on all quincy profiles . . . .

Bakudo does not meet the definition of paralysis on this site. Its more of a restraint then illness or injury.

Damage3245 · Oct 5, 2018

Even if it is a technique that theoretically any Quincy can use... that does not mean anyone can use them by virtue of being Quincy. I'm pretty sure this is how it is treated for other verses.

I'm fine with Quilge being able to use it and have it on his profile.

Just because the Elite Sternritter are more powerful than him does not make it more likely they can also use the technique. Unless you have evidence that they can actually use it instead of making assumptions?

AnonymousBlank · Oct 5, 2018

They have been preparing for the past thousand years to invade Seireitei which is full of a bunch of people with wildly varying powers and spells. The odds of them being crippled is fairly good but none of them think to train in a relatively basic skill that would allow them to continue fighting for their Majesty?

Damage3245 · Oct 5, 2018

The thing is, we can't make those kinds of assumptions.

Also, I didn't say none of the Sternritter could use it. Quilge could use it.

Konaguna · Oct 5, 2018

This might be the wrong thread to ask in, but what exactly seperates OHK and death manip? Isn't OHK just instant death? much like many other forms of Death manip in the fictional world?

Zzsax · Oct 5, 2018

Damage3245 said:
Even if it is a technique that theoretically any Quincy can use... that does not mean anyone can use them by virtue of being Quincy. I'm pretty sure this is how it is treated for other verses.

I'm fine with Quilge being able to use it and have it on his profile.

Just because the Elite Sternritter are more powerful than him does not make it more likely they can also use the technique. Unless you have evidence that they can actually use it instead of making assumptions?

How bout blut and helig pfiel and vollstandig, I guess not all sternritters should have those basic technique since they where never shown using it.

While we are at it maybe not all Elite shinigami should have shikai or walk on air either.maybe elite arrancars shouldn't have cero or bala either

To cap it all off Vollstandig is a much harder technique than Rasoutengai and all the sternritters have that.

Dr.Fix · Oct 5, 2018

Blut is inherent and arrows are the simplest quincy technique.

I agree with Damage.

Zzsax · Oct 5, 2018

Konaguna said:
This might be the wrong thread to ask in, but what exactly seperates OHK and death manip? Isn't OHK just instant death? much like many other forms of Death manip in the fictional world?

I think both of them are superimposed,the difference would be manipulating the concept of death and the other would be a physical attack.i think

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye · Oct 5, 2018

why would anyone else use if they weren't paralyzed?

Zzsax · Oct 5, 2018

Dr.Fix said:
Blut is inherent and arrows are the simplest quincy technique.

I agree with Damage.

Except Sternritters aren't simple quincies,they are Captain level fighters,who had mastered vollstandig a much complex technique

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye · Oct 5, 2018

Should prob put it as Likely,to appease both sides unless you want to argue over semantics for a couple dozen post.

ProfessorKukui4Life · Oct 5, 2018

I agree with the resistance but its just that, a resistance.

Immunity is an NLF.

Zzsax · Oct 5, 2018

ProfessorKukui4Life said:
I agree with the resistance but its just that, a resistance.

Immunity is an NLF.

Nope it's definitely Immunity and it's no NLF,immunity is the highest degree of resistance. And Rasoutengai resistance doesn't come from durability, they can puppeteer their body from spirit particles in the atmosphere.its impossible to paralyze them.

It's like trying to manipulate the soul of someone without a soul, it's not resistance, it's just impossible

Damage3245 · Oct 5, 2018

Zzsax said:
How bout blut and helig pfiel and vollstandig, I guess not all sternritters should have those basic technique since they where never shown using it.

While we are at it maybe not all Elite shinigami should have shikai or walk on air either.maybe elite arrancars shouldn't have cero or bala either

To cap it all off Vollstandig is a much harder technique than Rasoutengai and all the sternritters have that.

If Quilge said something to the effect of "All Sternritter have mastered this technique" when using it, you'd have a solid basis of scaling the other Sternritter to it.

But there isn't. You're just assuming it because of your personal incredulity that they could not have it, which is a fallacy.

ProfessorKukui4Life · Oct 5, 2018

Zzsax said:
Nope it's definitely Immunity and it's no NLF,immunity is the highest degree of resistance. And Rasoutengai resistance doesn't come from durability, they can puppeteer their body from spirit particles in the atmosphere.its impossible to paralyze them.

It's like trying to manipulate the soul of someone without a soul, it's not resistance, it's just impossible

Unless its something like lacking a mind or soul, we treat any form of Immunity as NLF here. So it's only resistance.

Using spirit particles to move their body =/= immunity.

Dr.Fix · Oct 5, 2018

What's NLF?

AnonymousBlank · Oct 5, 2018

No limits fallacy

Dr.Fix · Oct 5, 2018

Ah I see. That is certainly an issue around here. What with existance erasure, OHKO, etc.

Zzsax · Oct 5, 2018

@Kukui

Nope Immunity is a thing on here,it is given in rare and special cases according to the resistance/immunity page

The highest degree of resistance is outright Immunity, preventing use of that ability on any scale from affecting the user at all.

Rasoutengai fits the description of Immunity to paralysis,because no matter the scale of the paralysis technique,paralyzing their biological functions won't stop their movement as Rasoutengai is independent of their biology,the reishi which puppeteers their body is external,hell they could move a lifeless body with the technique.

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