Relativistic bleach

Danny1112 · Oct 3, 2018

Now,this revision is based on the blog I made about ichibei,technically it was accepted by a lot of members and a calc group member, here is the calc to check on https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Danny1112/Ichibei_summons_ink_at_a_terrifying_speed,well actually i was requested by antvasima to make a CRT on it because of some disagreement, so here I go,I would simply just redo everything here.

So:This calc would be based on ichibei moving an ink at a very high speed.

From the scan here,ichibei gets angry at yhwach and decides to end him with an attack,he then says the word "paint it black".

Then the next scan shows the statement of ichibei with the black which was being extracted by ichibei which was in soul society

Then from the scans next,we see the black reach ichibei from soul society at the word " ichimoji",so to be fair 1 sec is the timeframe as the ink arrives at ichibei right at word ichimoji was spoken, so without further adu.

Calc:using the accepted distance which is 88905600m.

88905600m/1=mach 261264.22 relativistic.

Conclusion:this would only scale to attack/combat speed and not movement speed,if this gets accepted we might have to discuss the scaling here.

AnonymousBlank · Oct 3, 2018

Was there more to this?

Saikou_The_Lewd_King · Oct 3, 2018

Danny1112 · Oct 3, 2018

Lol,I've not inputed anything yet sorry

Dust_Collector · Oct 3, 2018

Consider me convinced about this upgrade.

Dangai_Ichigo · Oct 3, 2018

I'm ok with it

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye · Oct 3, 2018

If this is accepted I'm not sure it could be scaled to anyone unless it was dodged by Yhwach but I don't remember that happening since he was cloaked in black himself.

Dangai_Ichigo · Oct 3, 2018

He might have ? I could read the fight again

Danny1112 · Oct 3, 2018

it scales to ichibei as his the one who brought it at that speed @sigurd

Dangai_Ichigo · Oct 3, 2018

That kinda makes it a outlier

Dangai_Ichigo · Oct 3, 2018

At least in my opinion, it's weird

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye · Oct 3, 2018

Why would it be an outlier?

Matthew_Schroeder · Oct 3, 2018

This is an outlier. Even Sub-Relativistic isn't accepted, let alone this.

Also the calc was rejected by Calc Group members DontTalkDT and TataHakai, what are you talking about. The only people who supported it were non-calcer Bleach fans.

So yeah, this isn't going forward.

Matthew_Schroeder · Oct 3, 2018

Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
Why would it be an outlier?

Because it's far above other feats. The definition of an outlier?

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye · Oct 3, 2018

>outlier How?

>rejected Antvasima told him to make a thread about the basis of the calculation,whether he pulled the black or not from soul society.

>sub-rel The calc has no sub rel end???

Matthew_Schroeder · Oct 3, 2018

Already explained how it was an outlier.

It was rejected by actual Calc Group Members.

Yes, and sub-relativistic low-ends from other calcs have been rejected. What makes you think straight up relativistic will be accepted?

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye · Oct 3, 2018

That is interesting considering I inquired you about Naruto previously about the rel calculation,which was also accepted but only has 1 rel feat so how is outlier decided?

It was rejected because they don't think he actually pulled the black in that timeframe,which is false as shown in the scan he calls out to Ichimonji and the darkness is pulled from designated targets.And is the entire point of this thread that Antvasima told the Op to make,nor did those calc members bother to respond to any rebuttals.

Hmm maybe because those calcs are prior to the last arc..?

Rin_The_Dragon_Empress · Oct 3, 2018

Isn't Naruto Relativistic whenever the best feat is only sub rel? o.o I'm not really into Bleach so I could care less about what happens here but things don't add up here unless I'm misinformed. If it's just a attack that only scales to one character I don't see how it's an outlier. 1 second for a timeframe does seem a little iffy tho.

Danny1112 · Oct 3, 2018

Matthew Schroeder said:
Already explained how it was an outlier.
It was rejected by actual Calc Group Members.

Yes, and sub-relativistic low-ends from other calcs have been rejected. What makes you think straight up relativistic will be accepted?

No matt it wasnt rejected by any calc group member,tatahakai said only that 1 second doesn't make sense to him,but I gave reasons why it's 1 sec but he didnt reply,thats why ant said I should make a CRT,a calc group member accepted the calc,you didn't follow up the calc well,and how is it an outlier lol.

Matthew_Schroeder · Oct 3, 2018

Naruto has more feats around that level and it's overall less of a jump. I have to wonder what Naruto even has to do with this discussion, as it seems to be the go-to argument for any Bleach thread to complain about Naruto having something that Bleach doesn't.

It is rejected because it is plain wrong. Nothing suggests he painted the whole distance between them and the assumptions are exaggerated too.

Matthew_Schroeder · Oct 3, 2018

@Danny The calculation is wrong because there's no evidence for the timeframe nor the distance, both are incredibly high-end assumptions. And even if there was it'd be an outlier.

Rin_The_Dragon_Empress · Oct 3, 2018

Naruto doesn't have another Rel feat, there's only one sub rel feat I can think of, maybe two. This isn't in order to start a flame war but just making a comparison to two very similar comparisons.

Dangai_Ichigo · Oct 3, 2018

I'll agree with Matthew, again it is weird

Danny1112 · Oct 3, 2018

Matthew Schroeder said:
Naruto has more feats around that level and it's overall less of a jump. I have to wonder what Naruto even has to do with this discussion, as it seems to be the go-to argument for any Bleach thread to complain about Naruto having something that Bleach doesn't.
It is rejected because it is plain wrong. Nothing suggests he painted the whole distance between them and the assumptions are exaggerated too.

Lol it's the sane as bleach,they also have calced feats around this levels,and naruto shouldn't be brought up in a discussion that's not about it.

Rin_The_Dragon_Empress · Oct 3, 2018

I don't agree with the time frame used.

Matthew_Schroeder · Oct 3, 2018

If you think Relativistic is an outlier for Naruto, here's what you can do:

Make a thread for it.

Don't use what you consider a wrong for one series to justify a wrong for another, remove the wrong from both. This is such a backwards logic.

Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff · Oct 3, 2018

Matt, your painting bleach in an ignorant light here. There have been multiple times where in naruto crt where the exactly the same thing happens. Espically way back when the Naruto: The last movie thing happened.

PS: I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with this OP.

Zezu1995 · Oct 3, 2018

they compare naruto cuz they have feats that degrade their so call rel speed.. like how sasuke had to go infront sarada for some slow ass shurikens... anyway.. its just for ichibei attack speed which iirc he does this more than once but the 2nd TIMe was him getting the darkness from the future idk if that counts or not..

Dangai_Ichigo · Oct 3, 2018

It's because Naruto has way more calcs like this, a outlier is a few stuff that happens. With Naruto it's a lot of them

Matthew_Schroeder · Oct 3, 2018

>Adult Sasuke being subsonic lol.

What does that have to do with anything. If we want to cherry pick low-ends you can do a lot for Bleach too.

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye · Oct 3, 2018

Because it's what your arguing lol,they jumped from Mach 18,000 to Mach 250,000 and your calling it a shorter jump when Ichibe is scaled to Mach 21k or something,I brung it up because your argument doesn't make sense as to what I'm seeing on profiles.

Appeal to authority right here,who said anything about painting that distance? that doesn't even make sense,this is about the speed he pulls the darkness.Empty remarks like assumptions don't mean much without anything behind it,we have 3 panels here where he calls out ichimonji,then it zooms to soul society,we see some darkness being drained from a salemander as he states "paint it black".

Dangai_Ichigo · Oct 3, 2018

Zezu1995 · Oct 3, 2018

^^ if anything its just attack speed and upgrades for ichibei,juha,ichigo,aizen.. no one else would get them so seems fit for god tiers

Matthew_Schroeder · Oct 3, 2018

There's no appeal to authority, Sigurd, it's just how it works. There are Calculation Group Members because they are the people who know math and are more reliable for calculation analysis.

Also if you know anything about comicbook writing / sequential art storytelling, a number of panels is no indication for the amount of time passed. You can have huge timeskips over single panels.

Also, what evidence the darkness would have to be pulled directly from 88905.6 kilometers away, and brought over in seconds, rather than, you know, him generating more darkness from a closer, unquantifiable distance.

Which sounds more reasonable to you?

Danny1112 · Oct 3, 2018

Matthew Schroeder said:
@Danny
The calculation is wrong because there's no evidence for the timeframe nor the distance, both are incredibly high-end assumptions. And even if there was it'd be an outlier.

The time frame is already shown,the scan shows the ink arrive at ichibei right at the word "ichimoji" was sponken,so 1 sec it is,the distance is from soul society to soul king palace as the black was on the ground of soul society before being lifted to soul king palace,how is it an outlier??the godtiers literally has no speed feat or whatsoever to make it an outlier lol.and its an eos feat,so it can't be considered an outlier as you have no proof of anti-feats

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye · Oct 3, 2018

Naruto has Sub-Rel calculation from what I see,which is Madara allegedly flying to the moon.

>distance is an assumption,lol what you mean the distance between soul society and palace where Ichibe was and him pulling the ink from the opposite location? the only thing here being assumed is the timeframe.

AnonymousBlank · Oct 3, 2018

>"Paint it black"

>Cut to balck being pulled from a lizard

>"Ichimonji"

>Black has arrived.

Pretty easy to tell how much time has passed.

Matthew_Schroeder · Oct 3, 2018

The assumed timeframe is wrong, there's a lot wrong to assume it happened as he spoke the word only, rather than that, more unquantifiable time before and after panels.

Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye · Oct 3, 2018

Now your implying Ichibe stood there for a couple seconds-minutes as Yhwach stares at him blankly while he collects darkness,now this right here is what we call a massive assumption as your also implying it takes a long time to call out a shikai which happeneds pretty much instantly.

Damage3245 · Oct 3, 2018

I still don't believe that the ink that appears from Ichimonji has to be the darkness shown in the panel down on the ground of Soul Society.

We don't see it moving up to the Soul King's palace at all. And certainly not in a second.

This is an extremely unconvincing feat.

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