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Joseph fights an enemy Stand

Paulo.junior.969

Paulo.junior.969

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Joseph Joestar (Stardust Crusaders)

Thunder McQuee

Joseph knows how Highway to Hell works.

JoJo: 8 (TacticalNuke002, Chartate101, Calaca Vs, Jasonsith, Xtasyamphetamine, Enryu The Red Tower, Iapitus The Impaler, ArgentinianDeadpool)

Thunder: 0

Inconclusive: 4 (Asuka, DragonEmperor23, ProfessorLord, PloxFGM)
 
Still an inconclusive, he would know that killing Thunder will kill him too. So they don't fight at all. But maybe Joseph can use Hamon to mind control him and make him kill himself. I don't know if that would work.
 
I don't know why people think part 3 Joseph is dumb, most of the fights he was in involved strategy, and he also defeated Empress and impressed DIO; heck, even in some of the ones he lost, such as the gambler, was less about Joseph being dumb, and more about the opponent being better at it than him, and he even says that he "just get better with age"; he only started to lose intelligence at part 4, really.
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
I don't know why people think part 3 Joseph is dumb, most of the fights he was in involved strategy, and he also defeated Empress and impressed DIO; heck, even in some of the ones he lost, such as the gambler, was less about Joseph being dumb, and more about the opponent being better at it than him, and he even says that he "just get better with age"; he only started to lose intelligence at part 4, really.
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He is smart, but I see why this is inconclusive. Hamon is the only way for him to win this, but he forgot most of the techniques as he isn't using most of them anymore. If this was young Joseph then he would use his mind control and make Thunder kill himself. Alas, it wasn't meant to be young Joseph.
 
Parrt 3 Joseph got fooled by The Sun (and even polnareff figured out the trick quicker than him), Darby (even when Joseph in part 2 was able to figure out stupid p├▓ker tricks like the chocolate nonsense when he played with Ceasar.)


And he also got rid of his crackerr volleys, lost the red stone somewhere and forgot that hamon can be channelled into different items and just let Dio do wathever he wanted in Part 3.
 
Defeating Empress is nothing compared to the pillar men, and impressing Dio is like impressing a literally high toddler.


Dio is dumb as hell compared to most enemies Joseph has fought on Parrtr 2.
 
The Sun was a totally different ability from anything Joseph had ever faced, just because he's smart, that doesn't mean he's gonna pull a solution out of nowhere.

Darby is better at gambling than Joseph, simple as that, this doesn't mean Joseph is bad at it. Heck, Jotaro even mentions that Joseph's really good at it.

Forgetting that that hamon can be channelled into different items is simple PIS.
 
Just saying.

Polnareff figured out the Sun before Joseph.


I mean, no amount of "Araki forgot" can justify that.

And...ist it convenient that you forgot about what i said about the cracker volleys and how impressing Dio is literally a non-feat?

Like impressing a 12 year old is somehow as good as a feat as defeating einstein in a math contest.
 
Dio has literally no intelligence feats.

He lets Brrufort handle Jonathan 1 on 1 when he could have just killed Jonathan right there in part 1, for example.


Dio is literally a evil bastarrd with a god complex. He is no tactician, like, at all. I dont know how him being "charismatic" is even worth mentioning.
 
Yet he still figured out that Joseph was baiting him with hermit purple + hamon, then reacted by knocking a chimney into him and finishing him off with a knife before he could spill the beans.

He also instantly realized what hamon was and counteracted it with his vaporizing freeze, explaining the science behind it for Zeppeli and Jonathan.

That's pretty intelligent if you ask me.
 
So, your argument on why Dio is smart is because he figurred out Part 3 Joseph´s plan, who took longer than polnareff to figure out what The Sun´s ability was, and got outsmarted by Jotaro when Darby used the chocolate trick when Part 2 Joseph has experience with tabletop game cheating.


Thats a fallacy if anything.
 
While Young Joseph would have taken this, its not like Old Joseph has forgotten his techniques. If he has prior knowledge, he could resort to them, maybe. It is out of character but prior knowledge will force him to do it as he has no other options and he's not gonna simply hit Thunder if he knows what will happen.
 
DIO is stupid.

If he was smart, he would have killed Jonathan when he had the chance in Wind Knight´s lot, if he was smart, he would killed Jotaro in time stop instead of telling him just how high he was and if he was smart, he could have kept his god complex in check.


He literally lived around 18 years of human life studying LAW before becoming a vampire and staying 100 years UNDERWATER.

How do you expect him to behave?
 
The intelligents really doesnt matter here, thunder will either

A: Take his life

B: Attack joseph, fail and get an incon(either joseph just keeps tanking hits, knocks him out or restricts him somehow which appearently gets done to joseph as well)

and i dont see anything Joseph can do to him ... (If Joseph actually has a way to win ignore this vote btw, im pretty sure joseph wont just go for incon no matter wether old or young)

so Incon
 
If you don't agree with the intelligence section in DIO's page, which describes him as an good planner and thorough fighter, then go make a CRT to change it.
 
Joseph does have some ways to win, but what really depends is if he would resort to them before Thunder could commit suicide, that's why I gave him prior knowledge, to try to make the result less predictable, because most Thunder fights are predictable and obvious as all hell.
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
Joseph does have some ways to win, but what really depends is if he would resort to them before Thunder could commit suicide, that's why I gave him prior knowledge, to try to make the result less predictable, because most Thunder fights are predictable as all hell.
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What can he do besides Hamon that he doesn't have?
 
Doesn't he still have Hamon in Stardust Crusaders? He just doesn't use it a lot, or at least I think so, since the page says "Same as before".
 
I'm gonna be a rebel and vote for Joseph. Joseph uses his prior knowledge to use Hermit Purple to grab Thunder's hand which corresponds to his hand that Kars severed. HtH can't affect what doesn't exist, meanwhile Thunder can't commit suicide in too many ways if one hand is restrained. Joseph can then pump in non-harmful hamon into him and mind control Thunder into killing himself or giving up.
 
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