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Joseph fights an enemy Stand

HtH will effect Joseph's hand because that is what Thunder desires to be effected. He's not to going to effect some random hand that got cut off decades ago, he's going to effect the one on the target. That seems pretty contradictory for him to either do one thing or the opposite of that thing.
 
Except, Joseph doesn't really need his mechanical hand and can sacrifice it, provided HtH will even affect it. Attacks on the left hand will affect the left hand and so on and so forth for the rest of the body. Joseph has a non-essential body part through which he doesn't feel anything. He can either cut off Thunder's hand or transmit hamon through it.
 
Thunder won't die immediately. Joseph can mind control him before then. Plus, Joseph doesn't really need to cut his hand off and sqander his only free repercussion free means of attack. He can simply grab it via Hermit Purple and transfer Hamon, really.
 
An hour needs to pass for to win via incap and Thunder would bleed out before then. If Joseph used Hamon to mind control Thunder, then Joseph would feel the effects that he caused on Thunder.
 
I'm pretty sure Joseph's not gonna stand around for 1 hr while Thunder bleeds out. He'll mind manip Thunder to remove the targeting by HtH.

No he won't. HtH can't transfer mind control.
 
It was agreed upon that mind manip isn't transfered. Physical stuff only. If mind manip was done via chemicals or hormone changes, it would transfer, but not actual mind manip or this. Besides, the action has to be harmful or restrictive for HtH to take effect. Mind manip isn't either.

Joseph doesn't have to be that precise. He just has make Thunder not want to kill himself, or make his desire for Joseph go away.
 
Thunder dies of bloodloss. Joseph wouldn't die by getting a mechanical hand cut off. Joseph takes it via losing his mechanical hand
 
Jonathan mind controlled Doobie's snakes, Caesar mind controlled a girl. Joseph being more skilled than both should be able to. And the mind control order isn't that complex.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
Joseph would die from Thunder dying. HtH also shares the fact that the Thunder died.
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No, it was argued and agreed a thousend times that it only reflects damage, not goddamn concepts like being dead.
 
Also isn't this a spite thread? It's Joseph ( City Block + AP and Dura, mind hax, and prior knowledge) vs Thunder (Street level AP and Dura).
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
No, it was argued and agreed a thousend times that it only reflects damage, not goddamn concepts like being dead.
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You were the one that brought up him reflecting conceptual death manipulation.
 
No.

You said that it reflects the fact that he dies too, which is conceptual.

Is said you are wrong, because it only reflects damage

You said he has death manip.

I pointed out that his death manip is reflecting damage to internal organs, which can be bypassed by regen.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
Also isn't this a spite thread? It's Joseph ( City Block + AP and Dura, mind hax, and prior knowledge) vs Thunder (Street level AP and Dura).
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If I removed prior knowledge, then it would only be a spite against Joseph, since he would just punch him and die, plus, Thunder's main ability negates durability, so Joseph being 8-B doesn't really matter.
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
If I removed prior knowledge, then it would only be a spite against Joseph, since he would just punch him and die.
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That wouldn't be a spite, spite is when a fight is massively stacked in one person's favor. That would just be inconclusive because both would lose.
 
Chartate101 said:
Thunder dies of bloodloss. Joseph wouldn't die by getting a mechanical hand cut off. Joseph takes it via losing his mechanical hand
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I meant this, not the regen.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
That wouldn't be a spite, spite is when a fight is massively stacked in one person's favor. That would just be inconclusive because both would lose.
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An Inconclusive is a victory to Thunder, that's how Thunder works, his objective is to die alongside his opponent.
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
An Inconclusive is a victory to Thunder, that's how Thunder works.
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See, that just means you want Thunder to lose. Think of it from a logical standpoint. Just because someone's power set is specifically made for inconclusives does not mean that an incon is a win. Because mutual death =/= victory.
 
Heck, Thunder can still get an Inconclusive out of this, even with prior knowledge; he just has to kill himself before Joseph figures out a way to incapacitate.
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
Joseph does have some ways to win, but what really depends is if he would resort to them before Thunder could commit suicide, that's why I gave him prior knowledge, to try to make the result less predictable, because most Thunder fights are predictable and obvious as all hell.
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Thunder just has to kill himself before Joseph figures out a way to incapacitate, they can both win here; without prior knowledge, the result would be predictable and boring.
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
You can't just call spite when the argument's not going your way.
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>Thunder has one ability

>Joseph has enough of an AP advantage to oneshot and prior knowledge on exactly how Thunder's one ability works

>Not spite/stomp

What?
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
Thunder just has to kill himself before Joseph figures out a way to incapacitate, they can both win here; without prior knowledge, the result would be predictable and boring.
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Except unless Joseph is senile enough to forget what he can do, he doesn't have to figure out a way he just needs to do it. Thunder can't win here. You keep saying that dying is a win for Thunder but it's not. There is no scenario from this where Thunder lives and Joseph dies/is incapitated/BFR'd which is what qualifies as a win.
 
Just because Joseph knows he has an ability, doesn't mean he will start with it, even with prior knowledge, he might very well try something else first before going for mind control though Thunder's hand.
 
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