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Medaka vs Warpriest

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Yeah yeah a Medaka match there's not a lot of 5-Cs out there ok

Medaka Kurokami at 5-C vs The Warpriest at 5-C

Speed unequal since I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter

Medaka is bloodlusted, Warpriest is not bloodlusted yet

Doesn't start in Warpriest's throne world

SBA otherwise

The Warpriest:

Medaka Kurokami:

Inconclusive:
 
Can Law/Concept manip on her due to Sword Logic, as well as getting Taken powers if he summons the Occulus or the fight goes on long enough. His Law backed invulnerability protects him from hax and damage.
 
Wokistan said:
Can Law/Concept manip on her due to Sword Logic, as well as getting Taken powers if he summons the Occulus or the fight goes on long enough. His Law backed invulnerability protects him from hax and damage.
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Protecc from haxx? All hax? Won't bookmaker work?
 
Being conservative, he resists power null with or without his law. Being slightly less so, if it can't get past his law manip it won't work too well.
 
However if she kills the Occulus his immortalities and regen are mostly negated. Issue is is that thing is stored in a separate universe unless he summons it to nuke the battlefield.
 
Wokistan said:
However if she kills the Occulus his immortalities and regen are mostly negated. Issue is is that thing is stored in a separate universe unless he summons it to nuke the battlefield.
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The law manip invurnerability seems like the biggest issue here.
 
well, you're the one who's to argue for her.
 
You're not gonna get much, as there's like 3 people on this site who really know a lot about the series' intricacies. I've laid most of it out as is, but you're still free to ask questions.
 
Wokistan said:
You're not gonna get much, as there's like 3 people on this site who really know a lot about the series' intricacies. I've laid most of it out as is, but you're still free to ask questions.
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Tell me all i need to know on the invurnerability to hax.
 
I have no idea what you need to know, I don't have mindhax irl. Just ask me what you're curious about.
 
So

From my understanding Warpriest kinda flips off her Hax and beats her to death?
 
@Wok

I was talking about "everything" as in mechanics, how it works, maybe anything to exploit, is this passive or active, on what hax does it work?

Example "bookmaker":

Mechanics: it hits and everything is gone

How it works: it seals everything that makes you "special"

Exploit: It has to hit the target and has a problem if he has a resistance to type 2 sealing

Active

On what hax: All of them

This is what i meant. So just give me an overall idea on the power.
 
I'll come back to this later. Warpriest should be somewhat above baseline even without law because he fights 6 5-Cs, can kill them in a few hits, and is very tanky even when his aura's down. As for the immortality, that's just what every ascendant hive has by default. Killing his occulus negates all of thst, or killing him when it's with him. Issue is is that it's normally in another universe, but if he summons it to Take medaka that's her best shot.
 
Ok, so it sounds like Medaka can't do much to this guy untill he brings out his thing that's in another universe, so how likely is he to do that?
 
ApiesDeathbyLazors said:
Ok, so it sounds like Medaka can't do much to this guy untill he brings out his thing that's in another universe, so how likely is he to do that?
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Nah, Bookmaker will work, though his invurnerability to hax is what im interested on.
 
So after going over Warpriest's profile more betterer it looks like his only real method of putting down Medaka is his Oversoul's soul manip, and is it safe to assume he needs to bring that out to use it like that? If so, what kinda resistance does it have?
 
ApiesDeathbyLazors said:
So after going over Warpriest's profile more betterer it looks like his only real method of putting down Medaka is his Oversoul's soul manip, and is it safe to assume he needs to bring that out to use it like that? If so, what kinda resistance does it have?
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If he brings it , it just might be a stomp. Medaka can just all fiction it before it does anything meaninful.
 
ApiesDeathbyLazors said:
So after going over Warpriest's profile more betterer it looks like his only real method of putting down Medaka is his Oversoul's soul manip, and is it safe to assume he needs to bring that out to use it like that? If so, what kinda resistance does it have?
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Power null is a thing he exists with or without law manio, pretty sure bookmaler isn't doing so well. That and it's gotta bypass lawhax.
 
Wokistan said:
Power null is a thing he exists with or without law manio, pretty sure bookmaler isn't doing so well. That and it's gotta bypass lawhax.
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Explain this freaking law hax doe. I mean how does it stop powers, what can Medaka do to it etc.

Also Bookmaker is type 2 sealing.
 
Now I'm actually at a computer, so I can properly answer questions.

@Earl Defensive law is passive, offensive is not. It works in that if the Guardians try to do anything to him without the Brand of the Initiate, instead of a damage number or anything it just pops up with an "immune". Nothing you can do does anything to him when his aura is up. With it down he still resists everything, but to a lesser extent, as he's not instantly wrecked by PCs but can now take damage.

His offensive law just kinda happens. Medaka's not gonna get the Brand of the Initiate in this scenario in any real way, so the form she'd have to deal with is all of a sudden dying and being unable to revive because (sunsingers excluded) you can't rez from anything the Warpriest does until he is dead.

Both of these are mixed with concept stuff, but the more important part is law.

He gains the powers of those he kills. Considering how the Sword Logic allows this to happen regardless of whether or not the target stays dead, killing Medaka probably gives him everything she has regardless of the AF rez.

Void manip is him shooting void projectiles. This is explained in the abilities section.

Power null and stat reduction are from when he gets Taken powers and starts throwing around the darkness orbs. They disable guardian abilities, jump abilities, health regen, and increase incoming damage, alongside nearly blinding guardians and doing a lot of damage themselves.

Soul manip for the Occulus is because the Occulus is literally his soul. He manipulates his own soul to release a death impulse that again, sunsingers aside, negates resurrection. Probably has many of the same affects as what's on the file for Malok, Pride of Oryx, as he's the strongest D1 Taken excluding Oryx.

As for the Bookmaker thing: You are literally the only person who believes in any functional difference between a type 2 seal and a power nullifying ability. Not only am I pretty sure I can find descriptions of Guardian Pnull that refers to it as sealing powers, but it is irrelevant. Stopping powers, Sealing powers, the end result of both is a nullification of power with the only separation being wording. Insisting that you need the specific terminology to be used to have a resistance against otherwise identical abilities is nothing more then pedanticism used to make bookmaker sound better than it actually is. Abilities don't just negate resistances due to some esoteric description. Also Guardians can stat reduce others.


@Apies I mean, I don't see why Law/Concept, Absorption, or Void wouldn't work.

As for Oversoul stuff:

  • Unlike Crota, Guardians can't damage it. It's taken care of when the Warpriest is killed by you because in your fight he's literally standing right below it.
  • Him bringing it out to use as a weapon is unlikely, due to the whole "basically immune to death" thing that he has due to it, but it is possible if nothing else works. Ingame, your fight is from when the Guardians have basically broken into the Ascendant plane, and as such it's already with him. You never fight material Warpriest. When he's near his oversoul like that, while he still dies eventually, he's also at his apex in power. The Oversoul should have all his own resistances anyways, due to the whole immune thing.
  • He absorbs and steals the abilities of anything that falls to the Occulus.
  • I doubt that Medaka can revive from it, but if she can somehow she now has to fight someone who's basically superior to her in every way due to having all her stuff and more.
 
Also, there are some ways around his lawhax. The first one is to become a target of his offensive lawhax, as he's not immune anymore when he laws you to death. Too bad that kills Medaka.

The other one is to "Challenge him, by the law of his ascendance. Match him in bloodshed, or in blood be drowned." This is what the Guardians did basically. Unlike them, Medaka absolutely cannot compare to the amount of death he has sowed over his billions of years existing.

The third is to kill him in his throne world and as such negate the oversoul meaning his immortalities and low godly don't work. Too bad I started him outside the throne world, making him a bit weaker but granting more survivability, and brute forcing your way in means fulfilling the terms of method 2.

There are apparently two other methods to permanently kill a Hive God that are unknown to us, judging by some datamined Destiny 2 lore. So if those get revealed soon, who knows maybe Medaka gets more options.
 
Medaka has infinite speed to force an inconclusive, unless she crashes into the occulus or sometbsom stupid.
 
I just need 5Cs tho rip
 
Alright, this has been bugging me, but Medaka does not have infinite speed. She can use All Fiction to erase the time it takes to move some amount of distance. Its psudeo-teleportation, not infinite speed.
 
He has Low-Godly and good immortalities. He also resists stastics reduction(pretty much Bookmaker since the description of it is putting the target's strength on the level of the user).,anything AF could be considered as(conceptual,causality), and has considerable hax over her. Sounds like a stomp to me. And she can't touch him physically. Would Scar Dead even work on someone who's acasual?
 
I don't see why it wouldn't. The real question is has he every been injured before, and was it anywhere near leathal or even incap worthy?
 
Warpriest should take this, he tanked attacks from attacks that are heas without safety measures installed would destroy an entire planet
 
When did that happen? We're not using 4-B Warpriest anyways.
 
Wardcliff is D2 anyways.
 
Also being a hive god he's probably killed and gotten killed by them a lot, due to hive morality and sword logic (that's friendly and caring behavior if you're a hive, Oryx once congratulated one of his daughters by saying her ingenuity was worth killing her for), but thanks to loloversoul its fine. Also they adapt and get stronger on each death and each kill, and as such reopening old woulds at worst does nothing, at best kills him innumerable times over and as such gives him a gigantic stat buff due to it. He's never perma died before the Guardians.
 
ok, but I was going to say that shouldn't he scale to guardians supers then in terms of tanking/spunging, but nevermind
 
Guardians are 5-C in the case of 5-C warpriest, I don't think any of the supers had some explicit higher feat.
 
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