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Battle of the Eccentric: The Bishop vs The Stand (8-B Tournament)

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Josuke Higashikata vs Betelgeuse Romanee-Conti- two people I know next to nothing about but they're in this tournament and look pretty crazy.

Third fight in the 8-B Tournament going o.

Speed is equalized, both are victorylusted (we'll shift to this due to the last thread, since most seem to have thought the latter was what we were talking about, doesn't bother me none- from this point on the tournament will be victorylusted)

Who wins?

Josuke: 6 (TacticalNuke002, Dargoo Faust, Agnaa, Standuser081, Calaca Vs, ArrogantScmhuck)

Betelgeuse:

Incon (plz no):
 
I'm not knowledgeable on either verse, but I will post my conversation with DMUA on how combat applicable Josuke's ability is.

"Well

He can punch really hard

he can go fast

He can revert things to previous states

Like how he turned Concrete to Tar"

"The usefulness is situational

But he's done a ton of tricks with it"

Hope this helps.
 
Also it may be best to wait for Blahblah for this fight, he suggested Betel.
 
Well, Josuke should see the hands coming due to being able to see ghosts, other Stands and the Ghost alley's arms. He'll likely get grabbed eventually though, but he'll use Crazy Diamond to fuse Betelgeuse with the ground, incaping him forever. Also to note that killing Betelgeuse would likely end badly for Josuke but as he incaps in character, Betel's possession and resurrection don't come into play. Voting Josuke.

Here are some clips for how Josuke's matter fusing works:

https://youtu.be/3nI1PAI5BfY?t=189

https://youtu.be/_aQZJCGjhFQ?t=106
 
Also, Josuke's incap prevents usage of powers as you are basically the item you are fused with, but now sentient. You retain the 5 basic senses and can make some sound occassionally but nothing else.
 
Josuke also massively outranges Betelgeuse with his projectile attacks, which he will spam greatly if he's using everything at his disposal to win.

That put if Betelgeuse can get in range he can potentially do a number of Josuke with possesion and seperating his hands, but I feel as if Josuke will do everything in his power to take him out at a distance as opposed to a direct confrontation considering how close-range enemy stands tend to be, and how Betelgeuse will try to close distance ASAP.'

So, Josuke for now.
 
Josuke's weirder abilities with high range don't seem to have his hax involved. Additionally, Betel has potential counters depending on how his abilities work.

I'm gonna wait til Blahblah shows up, but I'll add you two.
 
Doesn't Betel need to die first, so that he can possess someone else's body (preferably the killer's)? Josuke doesn't kill in character, so he'll likely not shoot projectiles, as they would kill Betel.
 
This isn't in character, this is Victorylusted, meaning they will do all they can that will, to their knowledge, assure victory.
 
Well, Josuke still wins. At close range, he'll matter fusion incap. At longer ranges, he'll snipe. If Betel resurrects, he'll repeat. If Betel comes to posess, he'll punch his ghost.
 
I'm waiting for Blahblah. An argument should be made in the defensive, and I'm not the one to make it.
 
I've seen re:zero before. Josuke FRA, if he gets even one snipe Betelgeuse is down.
 
I'm not familiar with either character but Josuke's intangiblility and matter manipulation/transmutation is what does it for me.
 
Josuke himself isn't intangible, his "stand" which does the fighting, Crazy Diamond, is.
 
Alright.
 
Alright but like

If he snipes doesn't Betel just come back?
 
Also, just making sure because I'm not clear

Is Josuke throwing the bullets lol
 
He can't come back unlimited times, it's based on his followers.

Granted, I'm not sure exactly how long it would take for him to set up another resurrection, but I'd expect that at one point he'd run out of resurrections or not come back quickly enough.

Pretty sure he doesn't throw them, he flicks them.
 
Alright. But after being killed, Betel could feasibly set up a forcefield, yes? Countering what appear to be typical bullets would be easy for that. Also, how good is Betel's Earth Manip?
 
The force-fields are just the invisible hands he utilizes, which are 8-B. He'd be opening with those anyway (it wouldn't be something new on their second encounter). Josuke would be able to see them (due to seeing stands), and harm them with his level of AP.

I don't think his earth manipulation is too impressive, but we may need to wait for someone who's actually pored over the show, and didn't just watch it once when it first aired.
 
Right. If he has shields (hand-shaped or not), yeah, Josuke could see them but if they can be manipulated then like... they'd still absorb hits. Maybe not a lot and maybe not a lot at once but still.

Depending on how good his Earth Manip is, I don't see Josuke conclusively winning based purely on hax and range, because his range attacks are basically just AP and nothing else and his hax is incredibly close range. If it comes down to an AP fight, from what I can tell, Betel has range via those hands.
 
Josuke could also conceivably break some rocks/concrete around him, then restore it back to trap the spooky ghost hand. I'm pretty sure he's done this in-character before.

His hands would be so telegraphed this wouldn't be hard to pull off, and it's Bete's only way of harming at such a range.
 
I suppose. I'd still like to wait for Blahblah so we have some idea on what the Earth Manipulation is like.
 
As a side note, shouldn't Fusionism be on Josuke's page, then?
 
It is.
 
Agnaa said:
Josuke could also conceivably break some rocks/concrete around him, then restore it back to trap the spooky ghost hand. I'm pretty sure he's done this in-character before.
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Yeah, he has done that. Remember when he used that car tire to trap Red Hot Chilli Pepper?
 
@Agnaa I completely glanced over the Fusionism part of the page woaw I'm really good at things
 
Betelgeuse's resurrection could actually allow him to possess Josuke now that I look at it. His possession works on anyone who has heavy connections to soririts/uses spirit magic and through verse equalization that's likely what stands would be considered. Bloodlusted Josuke should go for a range kill (since without prior knowledge it seems like the most optimal/least risky way to win) so Betelgeuse would likely get his chance to do this.

My vote goes to Betelgeuse.
 
They are a manifestation of the user's fighting spirit which emerged from the exposition to a certain mineral from a meteor IIRC.
 
To my understanding, stands aren't alien. Some of them appear in response to an alien virus, but they also occur naturally through strong willpower or some appear through connection to others who possess stands.

They're supernatural in nature and involve being protected by/fighting using a spirit (the spirit being a manifestation of their life energy and willpower), so I would assume verse equalizing equalizes stand usage to spirit magic.
 
Blahblah9755 said:
Bloodlusted Josuke should go for a range kill (since without prior knowledge it seems like the most optimal/least risky way to win) so Betelgeuse would likely get his chance to do this.
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Also this is not bloodlusted, but victorylusted. Which pretty much sounds like SBA but I digress. Josuke doesn't kill in character unless he's really pissed and even then, Rohan did what was about the quickest and easiest way to piss Josuke off and even then he just brutalized him, he didn't actually kill him. He's much more likely to go for incap via fusing Betel with the environment or something.
 
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