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Claw Meets Blade (A Battle Between 2 of the Most Broken 3Ds)

Unless im missing something the Shrike doesnt have much if anything in the way of being able to put Noc down while all of Noc abilities and hax would work on the Shrike
 
Shrike can summon copies of itself from other timelines, ad infinitum, he can manipulate Time and i don't think that it is mentioned in his profile but Tree of Pain is a construct that exists in another time. The Shrike used it for majority of his time travel shenanigans. It's often used to hold the Shrikes victims who get impaled on it. So it's a very effective form of BFR in a sense. Would Time Travel be useful here?
 
Noc can time travel just by moving and exists beyond time, so time manip wont do anything. Noc's attacks als would damage the Shrike as his attacks cut through space-time, and he has a plethora of hax that would affect the Shrike
 
I mean he can just start absorbing the life force of the copies when they show up, or perception manip them into killing each other, or make them too afraid to fight him
 
WeeklyBattles said:
I mean he can just start absorbing the life force of the copies when they show up, or perception manip them into killing each other, or make them too afraid to fight him
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Shrike has no lifeforce, he isnt a living being, also perception manipulation wont work since it relies on fears,dreams,nightmares etc. but Shrike is a literal machine which is controlled by the MCI, a higher dimensional force. so shrike doesnt really have any mind or soul.
 
That only works ingame, these are game mechanics

When in lore has it shown that this works against those beings? Also none of those beings you mentioned are controlled by a higher dimensional force. making the perception part irrelevant
 
Beinc controlled by a higher dimensional being =/= nothing other than that being can affect them, they need to show a resistance to mind manipulation to prove they can resist it. And we technically dont accept 'robots cant be affected by mind hax' on this wiki
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Beinc controlled by a higher dimensional being =/= nothing other than that being can affect them, they need to show a resistance to mind manipulation to prove they can resist it. And we technically dont accept 'robots cant be affected by mind hax' on this wiki
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being controlled by a higher dimensional would mean the machine itself isnt sentient, it has no mind, robots in general dont have minds. they have a set in program
 
Yes and we cont consider that enough to warrant not being affected by mind manipulation, they need an actual feat of resisting mind manipulation to prove that they can resist it
 
If its like an avatar of the higher D thing, it shouldn't be mindhaxable. However, other powers like the absorption should work fine. Also, as we generally consider mindhaxxing mindless stuff/robots as feats, I'm pretty sure we do consider it harder.
 
Tbh he does not need to mind hax anyway. time travel and space cutting is good enough to do the job.

An he can create tangible illusions so it being a machine really does not matter.
 
How does the higher D control it? Also, life drain on something explicitly stated to have no life doesn't sound right. If it worked on robots in LoL, that seems more like an indication that those robots have some sort of life force for whatever reason unless they too were expressly stated to be lifeless.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Its not an avatar, its just a robot that the higher d being made
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Classification: Lord of Pain, Avatar of the Machine Ultimate Intelligence
 
@Wok It doesnt, it just tells them what to do

Blitzcrank is just a robot with nothing in his lore implying he's alive and Orianna has a specific statement in her lore that says she's no longer a living being and every part of her is machine
 
Wokistan said:
How does the higher D control it? Also, life drain on something explicitly stated to have no life doesn't sound right. If it worked on robots in LoL, that seems more like an indication that those robots have some sort of life force for whatever reason unless they too were expressly stated to be lifeless.
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it never worked on robots, we base our tiering system and hax capabilites from the lore itself. which is why teemo doesnt scale to aurlien sol.

it was never shown in the lore to work that way
 
Rocker1189 said:
Tbh he does not need to mind hax anyway. time travel and space cutting is good enough to do the job.
An he can create tangible illusions so it being a machine really does not matter.
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shrike moves through time like a human moves through space, time travel is irrelevant

what is space cutting going to do to a being who ignores the concept of space time

what will tangible illusions do when shrike can send infinite versions of himself from time and space to fight them
 
If the Shrike has no feats of resisting mind hax you cannot argue that it can

And Noc still has a lot of hax that would still affect the Shrike other than mind hax
 
Hykuu said:
shrike moves through time like a human moves through space, time travel is irrelevant

what is space cutting going to do to a being who ignores the concept of space time

what will tangible illusions do when shrike can send infinite versions of himself from time and space to fight them
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So does Noc

Noc is that way as well

Kill the copies
 
Robots don't really have minds, but if its affected them anyways it should do the job. You sure it was life drain that got used on the lifeless beings, and not some other more general drain?
 
Also is this the guy with a bunch of passives?
 
Wokistan said:
Robots don't really have minds, but if its affected them anyways it should do the job. You sure it was life drain that got used on the lifeless beings, and not some other more general drain?
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the lifedrain is a ingame ability, it works on any being, even higher dimensional beings, its a game mechanic LOL
 
Hykuu said:
the lifedrain is a ingame ability, it works on any being, even higher dimensional beings, its a game mechanic LOL
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The life drain happened in the lore, Noc drained an entire village of their life force just by being in the area
 
WeeklyBattles said:
If the Shrike has no feats of resisting mind hax you cannot argue that it can
And Noc still has a lot of hax that would still affect the Shrike other than mind hax
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he is a robot, he is no mind, he has a set program, he is controlled by a higher dimensional collective, he doesnt have his own mind and will. it was just programmed to do their willing

like?
 
I think he's saying it working on lifeless machines is a game mechanic, which I'd be inclined to agree with unless proven otherwise. If the mindhax has affected robots before, it should work here.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Hykuu said:
shrike moves through time like a human moves through space, time travel is irrelevant

what is space cutting going to do to a being who ignores the concept of space time

what will tangible illusions do when shrike can send infinite versions of himself from time and space to fight them
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So does Noc
Noc is that way as well

Kill the copies
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i was saying its irrelevant, it wont help him at the fight since shrike can do the same. stop taking what i say out of context

same as point 1.

this point has already been debunked and we have been over this thrice, ad nasuem on your side
 
Simply put, if Weekly can provide lore examples of either of those passives working on robots, I'll vote Noc. Otherwise, not voting yet, as I'm unconvinced by the arguments for Shrike as of now.
 
Why would the illusions not be able to kill the copies exactly? You havent answered this.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Hykuu said:
the lifedrain is a ingame ability, it works on any being, even higher dimensional beings, its a game mechanic LOL
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The life drain happened in the lore, Noc drained an entire village of their life force just by being in the area
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again stop strawmanning me, we are talking about its effects on robots. never denied it not working on normal beings.
 
Wokistan said:
I think he's saying it working on lifeless machines is a game mechanic, which I'd be inclined to agree with unless proven otherwise. If the mindhax has affected robots before, it should work here.
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i dont think the mind hax has ever worked on a robot in lore
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Why would the illusions not be able to kill the copies exactly? You havent answered this.
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because shrike is simply a more versatile character, the copies also extend to ad infinitum and you have to prove noc can make infinite illusions
 
Look at their profiles and explain how the Shrike is more versatile, then explain how versatility automatically means a win
 
Is the infinite duplicates in the context of "can summon duplicates forever" or "summons an infinite amount at once"? There's a difference there.
 
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