Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Feats. Real? or Outlier? Upgrades?

Dragonmasterxyz · Dec 16, 2015

So in PMD Explorers of Sky you and your partner pokemon defeat a Bloodlusted Primal Dialga as apart of the story. This would be an outlier if it weren't for one thing. You perform 3 other universal feats throughout the game.

1. You defeat Mesprit. Of course you could say she was holding back; however remember she was trying to protect the time gear. Grovyle later just pushed her aside.

2. Now for some debateable ABC logic. Grovyle defeats Azelf by himself. He defeats Uxie by himself. Dusknoir is equal to if not slightly stronger than grovyle. You, grovyle, and your partner defeat Dusknoir and his Sableye.

3. During the post-game you and your partner manage to wound a Bloodlusted Palkia.

Possible #4. You defeat Darkrai and his team of pokemon along with your partner and cresselia. Darkrai was the one who turned Dialga into Primal Dialga and so has some powerful ability to corrupt beings and trap them in nightmares.

In PSMD you fight Yveltal who is being controlled by Dark Matter along with Nuzleaf and Beheeyem. You, your partner, ampharos, Jirachi, Celebi, and Espurr manage to defeat all of them. At this time you are fully evolved due to the Harmony scarves.

1.) Now Mewtwo, Deoxys, and Rayquaza's feat of stopping the tree from pulling the sun has been accepted. After they are turned to stone, you and your partner fight The Dark Matter itself and defeat it. this should Merit to at least a High 6-A feat. Dark Matter is made up of all the negtive energy of the world.

Any questions?

Note: These versions of the starters are entirely different than the main series.

Pikachu942 · Dec 16, 2015

So at least high 6-A Super Mystery Dungeon and Low 2-C for Time & Darkness. Any feats from the original or Gates to Infinity, just so we can round out every game?

Dragonmasterxyz · Dec 16, 2015

Pikachu942 said:
So at least high 6-A Super Mystery Dungeon and Low 2-C for Time & Darkness. Any feats from the original or Gates to Infinity, just so we can round out every game?

my memory is cloudy of that game for reasons. but you do beat kyurem. so 6-B?

Pikachu942 · Dec 16, 2015

That sounds pretty good. In the original you also beat Rayquaza, Deoxys and Mewtwo (both base form of course), so 5-C or so sounds about right for that game.

Dragonmasterxyz · Dec 16, 2015

Well we don't count non-stroy bosses so mewtwo doesn't count. However in the original your character should have sub relativistic speed and tier 6-A or 6-B.

Pikachu942 · Dec 16, 2015

I also just looked up on Bulbapedia and in Gates to Infinity, Kyurem is not actually the final boss, it is something known as The Bittercold. It "threatens to destroy the world" and is vastly more powerful than Kyurem, leading me to believe it is Planet Level and thus the starters in GtI should be 5-B or so.

Dragonmasterxyz · Dec 16, 2015

Pikachu942 said:
I also just looked up on Bulbapedia and in Gates to Infinity, Kyurem is not actually the final boss, it is something known as The Bittercold. It "threatens to destroy the world" and is vastly more powerful than Kyurem, leading me to believe it is Planet Level and thus the starters in GtI should be 5-B or so.

nah. destroy the world can mean multiple things. it could be over time. so i'd say High 6-A

Pikachu942 · Dec 16, 2015

Yeah that sounds about right, high 6-A is what we go with what was formerly "life wipers" right? So that sounds about right to what the Bittercold was doing. It does seem to be over time with it's Winds of Despair suffocating and wiping out all Pokémon.

The_Living_Tribunal1 · Dec 16, 2015

ummm idk much about pokemon that much, but since these are different versions of charizard, shudnt giratina be a different version as well....

Dragonmasterxyz · Dec 16, 2015

I wonder what admins would think.

Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot · Dec 16, 2015

The Living Tribunal1 said:
ummm idk much about pokemon that much, but since these are different versions of charizard, shudnt giratina be a different version as well....

Technically all Giratina, Palkia, Dialga, and Arceus are the same Giratina, Palkia, Dialga, and Arceus (they're multiversal beings that there are only one of each) unless it's a specified non-canon thing.

Dragonmasterxyz · Dec 16, 2015

The Living Tribunal1 said:
ummm idk much about pokemon that much, but since these are different versions of charizard, shudnt giratina be a different version as well....

well remeber there is only one arceus and these guys would be universal concepts regardless correct?

SomebodyData · Dec 16, 2015

Pretty sure these will count as a different variation

Dragonmasterxyz · Dec 16, 2015

Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
The Living Tribunal1 said:

ummm idk much about pokemon that much, but since these are different versions of charizard, shudnt giratina be a different version as well....

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Technically all Giratina, Palkia, Dialga, and Arceus are the same Arceus (they're multiversal beings that there are only one of each) unless it's a specified non-canon thing.

yeah, so it should count.

Dragonmasterxyz · Dec 16, 2015

SomebodyStupid said:
Pretty sure these will count as a different variatio

well their lore and powers are no different than in the main games.

Pikachu942 · Dec 16, 2015

well their lore and powers are no different than in the main games.

Was gonna say this. In MD Dialga, Palkia & Giratina are all still treated as the embodiments of time, space & anti-matter.

Dragonmasterxyz · Dec 16, 2015

Pikachu942 said:
well their lore and powers are no different than in the main games.

Was gonna say this. In MD Dialga, Palkia & Giratina are all still treated as the embodiments of time, space & anti-matter.

hence how dialga stopped celebi from time traveling.

SomebodyData · Dec 16, 2015

Dragonmasterxyz said:
SomebodyStupid said:

Pretty sure these will count as a different variatio

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well their lore and powers are no different than in the main games.

I was refering to the pokemon that get boosts because of this thread, not the PKMN Creation Trio, srry should of specified

Dragonmasterxyz · Dec 16, 2015

SomebodyStupid said:
Dragonmasterxyz said:

SomebodyStupid said:

Pretty sure these will count as a different variatio

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well their lore and powers are no different than in the main games.

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I was refering to the pokemon that get boosts because of this thread, not the PKMN Creation Trio, srry should of specified

oh well yea i'll make a separate page for them since giving a composite file didn't work. as seen on the charizard downgrade thread.

Dragonmasterxyz · Dec 16, 2015

so do we agree that these feats are accurate?

Antvasima · Dec 16, 2015

Are there any other hints of the (random?) Pokemon that defeat the creation trio being universal within the game, or are even the creation trio themselves treated as universal within it? If not, it should probably be treated as massive Plot Induced Stupidity outliers, not as official statistics for random Pokemon to be upgraded to universal status.

LordAizenSama · Dec 16, 2015

well, you could sum all of it up as Plot Induced stupidity really. unless you believe in a universal grovyle..

Pikachu942 · Dec 16, 2015

I don't understand how an entire game cane be seen as PiS, this is a complete alternate universe.

And yes, the Creation Trio are treated as universal in-game with the same hype and abilities they have in the main universe.

LordAizenSama · Dec 16, 2015

Pikachu942 said:
I don't understand how an entire game cane be seen as PiS, this is a complete alternate universe.
And yes, the Creation Trio are treated as universal in-game with the same hype and abilities they have in the main universe.

I don't see how you can think fodder pokemon can be universal..

Antvasima · Dec 16, 2015

Well, Pikachu has a track record of complete lack of common sense when it comes to assigning character statistics for Power Rangers and My Little Pony. Now he apparently wants to upgrade most Pokemon to 2-C. I am starting to consider if I should consider him as a vandal who helps to destroy the reliability of the wiki.

Pikachu942 · Dec 16, 2015

They aren't fodder when in this verse they are the strongest Pokémon there who can beat the Lake Trio with moderate difficulty and the Creation Trio with high difficulty. It's clearly established through multiple points in the game they can compete. This isn't mainline Pokémon, you need to stop thinking like it is. These characters can compete with and defeat the legendaries.

Pikachu942 · Dec 16, 2015

Antvasima said:
Well, Pikachu has a track record of complete lack of common sense when it comes to assigning character statistics for Power Rangers and My Little Pony. Now he apparently wants to upgrade most Pokemon to 2-C. I am starting to consider if I should consider him as a vandal who helps to destroy the reliability of the wiki.

Gee, that's nice of you to say. And no I'm not agreeing with updating them to Low 2-C entirely, but I can see the argument. I think they should at least be 6-A though from the feats in other games.

And how many times do I have to tell you I DIDN'T MAKE THE STAR LEVEL MLP STATS. They were exactly as they were now before some people showed me some magic hax calculations I personally didn't fully agree correlated to DC. We are adding these feats back anyways as a special hax section so you really shouldn't be bringing it up.

And may I ALSO remind you I wasn't the only one vouching for the Ranger stats, both DRB and Everlasting were on my side for at least a portion of it, so you shouldn't be putting all the blame on me for everything.

Antvasima · Dec 16, 2015

What Pokemon are we talking about? And please remember that my faith in your judgement is extremely low at this point.

Pikachu942 · Dec 16, 2015

Antvasima said:
What Pokemon are we talking about? And please remember that my faith in your judgement is extremely low at this point.

The main characters of the game, so the starters we get, and the main villains like Grovyle and Dusknoir. Mystery Dungeon verse only, and may I also remind you in this verse these Pokémon are humans that were turned into Pokémon, not the actual Pokémon who can't speak from the main games, so they are different in some way.

Antvasima · Dec 16, 2015

If I understand correctly you still added the statistics, regardless if you were convinced by others, and the sun rotates around the Earth in MLP, which should tell you that it is likely Moon-sized. Beyond this fact, I don't think that any of the characters have displayed beyond city level power in practice.

LordAizenSama · Dec 16, 2015

pikachu, it is literally the PIS/game mechanics that force you to beat the higher level Deities, the exact same as your traditional pokemon games. you have no choice but to beat them. and the fact that you even said "not agreeing with upgrading to low 2-c ENTIRELY, i do wonder about your legitimacy..

You want to take it as legit? you'd have to accept that seeds like stun seeds or sleep seeds can affect 2-C Beings.

Antvasima · Dec 16, 2015

Well, given the inconsistencies with other games, I think that it seems safest to avoid making profiles for the Mystery Dungeon characters.

Antvasima · Dec 16, 2015

Again, given that I usually ban people for adding lots of highly inaccurate statistics to the wiki, it is only the fact that Pikachu is othervise well-behaved that has kept him around.

Antvasima · Dec 16, 2015

While we are at it, what proof do we have of the creation trio being 2-C rather than 3-A?

Pikachu942 · Dec 16, 2015

Dialga and Palkia were both destroying a universe and creating a new one during their fight, and Giratina is equal to Dialga & Palkia.

Antvasima · Dec 16, 2015

All right, the creation trio are presumably Low 2-C then.

CHILLVIBEZZ · Dec 16, 2015

They weren't destroying the universe just distorting it iirc.But either way they combined their power to create the universe so yeah they are low 2-C See here -http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/History_of_the_Pokémon_world

Though I still find it hard to believe Pokemon rated to have immeasurable speed would have their movements perceived by humans however......

Antvasima · Dec 16, 2015

I could change their speed levels to unknown. Immeasurable speed is only supposed to be used for characters that have 2 or more dimensions of time, but it is recurrently misused.

CrossverseCrisis · Dec 16, 2015

That's about a good idea to use there, Ant. Seems really dumb when your a tier 2 or above character with immeasuable speed, but yet you'd still can be seen by those slower than you...

CHILLVIBEZZ · Dec 16, 2015

2 more dimensions of time? Yeah it is misused then I didn't know that was required at all

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