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Superman (PC) vs Pyra

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Kisaragi_Megumi

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Welp,since Pyra is upgraded to low 2-C,let's give her an first challenge in this section,also first time using Supahman here,so i hope it will goes well.

-Pneuma Pyra and Super with SoS is used

-Speed equalized

-Both bloodlusted

-Place located in neutral universe

-Win via death!!!

Superman (Pre-Crisis)
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  • Superman: 0
  • Pneuma: 0
  • Inconclusive: 7 (DDM,Gar,Dargoo,Dragon,Inferno,Homu,Kagamine)
 
I'll wait for more input before voting, but I think Time Travel/Existing across might possibly enable him to create a Time paradox.
 
Worth noting unless Pyra's Reality Warping can be used to destroy the timeline they're in she can't kill Superman at all as he's tied to it.

On top of this, Superman time travels immediately since he's bloodlusted, and Pyra needs to use Reality Warping immediately or she gets paradoxed, if she uses Time Stop she's screwed, along with the majority of her abilities.

This is actually a case where the character with much higher versatility is actually at a disadvantage as she has a chance if using something that won't work.

If she time stops, she's dead as Omnipresence shunts it.

If she goes for Reality Warping, inconclusive as it's who shoots first.

I think I'm votingvSupes for the time being, but I can easily see this being either an inconclusive or a stomp in his favor.
 
IIRC, Pyra does have the power to destroy the universe and recreate it in her own image since she scales to Zanza, who can do that, but it's very out of character for her to do that. I'm probably going to have to consider this a stomp thread.
 
Out of character?

Meaningless if they're bloodlusted.

That said if it's her leading move then probably inconclusive.
 
Oh, I didn't notice that part. I thought you said it was in character for Pre-Crises Supes to be Bloodlusted "o_O wut"? In that case, inconclusive FRA.
 
Actually, with both bloodlusted it's kinda dependant on what Pyra starts with as I said earlier.

Sure she's bloodlusted so she'll go for her stronger abilities but which one is extremely important

RW of course kills Supes.

Time Stop is noped by Omnipresence.
 
Speed equalization probably gives them both Immeasurable speed, and she does lead with Reality Warping in combat, but more so to rewrite all laws of physics to put her at equal grounds with her opponent, it was after the Architect died, which happened after the final boss, is when Pneuma basically became the new Architect. But then she restored the universe, bloodlusted would probably have her do the destroy, and recreate, and actually, not sure if directory withstanding the timeline's destruction counts as Time Paradox immunity.

Still, there's too much unknown, so I still think Inconclusive is the best course of action.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
I am a Xenoblade fan and supporter. I just let those who actually paid attention to the feats take care of stuff.
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That is just a fancy way for you to say how lazy you are. :^)

Inconclusive, reason above btw.
 
Superman takes this with ease.

Blades are greatly weakened without their Driver, and Aegises are no different. I don't know exactly how much power Pyra would lose because of this, but we could use a fully recovered Malos as a benchmark thanks to him seperating from his Driver long ago.
OP, Pyra is fighting without Rex correct?

Siren's Particle Cannon isn't going to be of much use against Sups since it won't take much effort to swipe Siren out of the sky. The cannon itself is sub light speed, since you can see the light from the beam before the beam itself impacts. Siren's targeting ray does use proper photons and can incinerate a human sized target at a higher output, but that sort of thing won't bother Superman at all.

Pyra does not scale to Zanza. She isn't even in the same universe as him! Pyra can't hope to alter the universe on a universal scale for the simple reason that Pyra can't even slow down the Indol Titan from the side of the World Tree. She needs Poppi to fly her and Rex closer to pull that off (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwdL5fyOtmI at 18:00).

Pneuma never became the new Architect, as the Architect refers to a person and not a role or title.
Pneuma received authority over the Low Orbit Station after her meeting with the Architect, and she actually lost power when the Architect died, as that was when the Conduit, the source of much of her awesome power left this world (https://youtu.be/RzcoSAnpny0?t=3470).

Pneuma couldn't restore the universe even if the Conduit was still available, as the original experiment required her, Logos, and Ontos, and the latter two are gone at this point (Logos just died and Ontos disappeared in the original experiment). The ring that encircled the Earth that was used during the experiment had just disintegrated as well (https://youtu.be/RzcoSAnpny0?t=3720). She was only able to save Alrest from the collapse of the World Tree by overloading Aion's reactor to destroy the upper levels of the World Tree (https://youtu.be/RzcoSAnpny0?t=4331).
You can even see the damaged but still standing lower levels of the World Tree here (https://youtu.be/CvbliEAMMMY).
No reality warping was used after the Final Boss Fight, period.

Where on Earth is this timeline destruction coming from? If you can't provide proof of this claim than your claim will be thrown out.

@Veloxt1r0kore and @UltimateInferno Would you rejoin the debate with these clarifications?
 
-Pyra: 0

-Superman: 1 (Naberius)

-Inconclusive: 6 (Deus, Gar, Dargoo, Dragon, Ultimate, Homu)
 
@Nab, this again? Do not ignore what is in the profile. Pneuma after the death of the Architect gained all of his powers. And different universe, yes, but Architect is still identical to Zanza in power. They're literally the same person, and Pneuma did and gained the Architect's powers to restore the universe. Alrest is parallel to Xenoblade 1's Universe. Siren was never used as a debate so there was no need to bring that up. Gramps evolved when that never should have happened till another hundred years or so, and the endless cloud sea became and endless ocean.

Also, the Universe was literally about to die when the Architect died; the World Tree's collapsation would have caused it, but Pneuma stopped it without Rex's help. It is canon the the game's lore. Also, while some Blades lose power when seperated from Drivers, there are a few who don't such as Malos, Jin simply has less stamina, but he's still powerful.

Pneama doesn't share that weakness once the Architect dies and passes on his powers to Pneuma. Still you're bringing up the same arguments that were flat out rejected due to ignoring the in depth lore. Also, you completely forgot that speed is equalized on this thread, so that makes the whole Lightspeed statements pointless. Yes Superman would have stomped with speed unequal due to FTL+ Vs Omnipresent, but speed Equalization gives them both Immeasurable speed and what not. So that's a moot point.

Also, Zanza can destroy the Space-Time Continuum because it does it several times throughout his backstory, and Alvis said Shulk could have too when Shulk gained the True Monado and surpassed Zanza. And don't need to bring up Architect and Zanza being two halves of the same person, who became gods of their own universes through the same event. And Pneuma clearly scales to the Architect. The Universe would have already died if that weren't true, but the fact is it was saved. Thanks to Pneuma.

So only 1 vote was thrown out.
 
It isn't, all he did was bring up the same complaints that were off topic and reserved for that other thread; not here.
 
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