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Beast Cole vs Liliana Vess (Done)

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Man low 6-B is a pretty small tier isn't it

Cole MacGrath as the beast faces off against Liliana Vess with the Chain veil

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Liliana must start in base, but can amp herself further using the chain veil (Note that these boosts are very bad for her once they wear off and as such she tries to avoid doing it if at all possible)

SBA otherwise

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Cole MacGrath:

Liliana Vess:

Inconclusive: 7 (Gargoyle One, DMUA, PTSOXMONKEY99, ZackMoon1234, TheC2, Xanxussama1010, COB)
 
She leads with deathhax and summoning zombies, and its fast for spellcasting but not thought based or anything. After that she just goes into other spells. The negation of Regenerationn is just a consequence of her abilities once Chain Veil is on.
 
This is definitely an inconclusive then, it's either Lilana hits him with Death or Cole gets RSB

This is a super neat match by the way, Kudos.
 
Also, while she can pump herself all the way up to 4-A with the Chain Veil, it's still terrible for her body and surviving Emrakul's attack in itself nearly killed her. The stats amp would protect her from the beast for some time, but it's not something she can physically handle maintaining for extended periods of time.
 
Gargoyle One said:
This is definitely an inconclusive then, it's either Lilana hits him with Death or Cole gets RSB

This is a super neat match by the way, Kudos.
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Gargoyle One said:
This is definitely an inconclusive then, it's either Lilana hits him with Death or Cole gets RSB
This is a super neat match by the way, Kudos.
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RSB? Sorry I know nothing about infamous.
 
Ray Sphere Blast. Beast Cole, as what amounts to a living super-ray sphere, spammed this to try to awaken as many conduits as possible. Everyone else dies in a way Liliana probably doesn't resist, and she doesn't like to draw on chain veil unless absolutely necessary and as such probably wouldn't be able to power null and resist it away. Note that every time she's become 4A, she knew it would be needed for that opponent. She doesn't have prior knowledge here.
 
Given that cities are generally larger than 4km, I don't think she'd have enough time to planeswalk away either, unless the RSB works differently to how I remember it.
 
Planeswalk takes her to a different universe, and Emrakul had universal passives. Thing is, when the ability is used Liliana would already be inside the blast radius, and as such it's too late to leave.
 
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@Gar

I spent like 10 minutes trying to figure out how this match could be anything other than conclusive, but there are too many variables to account for
 
I mean I could see it going in Liliana's favor if she had prior knowledge and amped/planeswalked out immediately, but with these conditions probably not.
 
I can't find a consistent measure, but Liliana isn't going to escape considering that the blast starts out bigger than the distance they're at and Cole was firing them off not even for combat purposes. Someone like Bolas would definitely be able to Planeswalk out in time (though he also just wouldn't even die) and Jace unconsciously Planeswalked away Midway through having his mind destroyed by bolas, indicating that it's an instinctive reaction for survival for some, but it's presumptuous to assume Liliana can also do that considering that she nearly died to emrakul and didn't get warped.
 
You've still gotta consider relative speeds. For example, Bolas is currently the strongest Planeswalker except maybe Ugin, is even better at planeswalking than most, has all sorts of powernull, timehax, precog, etc, and worse comes to worst can just tank the blast. Liliana has none of that except for power null, and considering how much she doesn't want to use the veil she's not going to start strong enough to get rid of it. She also doesn't have the instinctive Planeswalk showing like Jace, and things would definitely have triggered that if she had it, so we can't assume she does that.
 
So she's hesitant to start with it, so going off this, it's more likely she starts with something else? (I know nothing of Magic: The Gathering, so I'm just clarifying)
 
Planeswalking is just teleportation with a massive range. She's not hesitant to do that, she just doesn't open fights with leaving and so isn't going to do that before being RSBed. She isn't hesitant to powernull and counter, she's hesitant to amp herself up enough that she would be able to get rid of the RSB. Note how her profile has her ranging form low 6B to 4A. She generally tries to avoid going from low 6B to 4A due to the strain it puts on her mind and body, and as such only even did it when she knew she would need chain veil power to win/survive. The chain veil itself has nearly killed her before from overuse. Also, she has no real reason to assume she just gets nuked off the bat by Cole here, whereas with Emrakul they knew what the eldrazi could do and with Bolas he was mainly just messing around anyways because the gatewatch are just that weak to him. She would just open with deathhax and zombie summons as normal, which kills Cole, while getting killed herself.
 
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Inconclusive.

Ol' Cole and Lili's opening shots will kill each other via deathhax and RSB. Neither has knolwedge of each other, so that can't really defend properly.
 
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