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Princess Zahard vs The Fifth Goko

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Hmmm. Luffy has Precog to help him out here, but Yuri has Forcefields, the Black March (which yes she can use even if it's not activated and is indestructible by the standards of anyone in TOG), and Immobilization - which neither Luffy nor anyone in One Piece would be able to counter since it's molecular in nature. Going for Yuri here.
 
Hold on a second....

how is this fair??

Yuri was about to physically uproot the entirety of the testing arena back on the 2nd floor, a flick of her finger made a freaking huge hole in the ground without using shinsoo, she turned all of wool guy's shineuh into paste in an instant, her nuclear punch ignites the air and causes huge explosion and crater in the ground while being casual, and since u said in base, i don't know are we including her rose flower too?? cuz if so she murderstomps 5x over. Luffy doesn't stand much of a chance in base, if he goes gear 4th then we have a fight.

My vote goes to yuri
 
Although it does work on inanimate objects though so it should work aganits luffy.

Voteing Yuri, although I do like my pal Luffy I can't see Yuri loosing agiants him. Her raw physical ablilites would just overwelm Luffy in the long run(not physical stats just to clarify). And her Endurence would easily hold on againts luffy for the most part so i don't think he can windle her down.

Luffy does have the fact that this is in character Yuri so she won't be too violent againts him so he does have that helping him againts her, but I still can't see him winning here. Not yet ready to handle the Black Snakehead, maybe later but not yet.
 
@Enryu

Hopping on with Bennett, though not casting a vote, Fast skip should indeed work on Luffy. Shinsoo is the literal matter of their verse, so to say that Luffy doesn't have a shinsoo flow, is to essentially say that he's not made of matter (likely organic matter as it has a "flow"), which is far from the case.
 
Just for information regarding Luffy, as I'm still trying to understand Yuri: (And my apologies. I realize now that it would probably be best to add further description to his Attack Potency and Durability with a "higher" when utilizing a specific Gear or Haki).

The 2.3 Teratons does, indeed, come from Luffy defeating the Black Knight, but this was with Gear 2nd and without the use of Haki. Haki and Gear 3rd are not factored into his AP and Durability, so when utilizing both, his AP and Durability should increase quite considerably.

Gear 2nd is a speed-boost, so even with speed equalized, it will factor for his combat/movement burst speed. Luffy also mimics the Rokushiki technique of Soru, which allows him to travel at higher speeds, even vanishing from characters like Base Rob Lucci and Blueno, who could previously keep up with his Base.

He's also got Pre-cognition (why the hell is this Dressrosa? Make it Whole-cake to give him his Advanced level of Kenbunshoku), extra-sensory perception, and the ability to read his opponent's intentions and emotions, to the point where he can empathize with them.

Luffy's specific range is unknown, but it is often shown that he can stretch as far as several kilometers without even showing strain. And luffy's elasticity makes him capable of movement that's virtually impossible for any normal humanoid.

Haoshoku may factor in (if I can understand wtf Shinsoo is...) as it sends shockwaves emitting from the user outward. Could disperse it (Again, wtf is Shinsoo).

As for Shinsoo manipulation... I haven't the slightest clue as to what I'm reading on this page. I still don't even know what Shinsoo is after reading the entire page.

... After reading it again, I still haven't the slightest f***ing clue what I'm reading.

Is this a stomp, or what is it that I'm not understanding? This page doesn't clarify anything in the slightest. I'm given more questions than answers.
 
Disregarding the obvious wank at the near-top of this thread (Not you Rinkaku): Kinkiest explained a bit about what Shinsoo Manipulation is to me briefly. I'm gonna go with Luffy for now until I gain further knowledge on this.

Luffy wins due to Speed-boost w/ Gear 2nd and Pseudo-Soru, Pre-cog, Sensory abilities, Haoshoku possibly working (will explain further if this point is supported later on after talking to Kinkiest), range, and even combative intellect. Idk about stamina as Yuri's is not justified or explained, so I'll leave that in the air for now. Gear 3rd and/or Busoshoku Haki should tip the AP and Dura into his favor.

If necessary, he can also stack Gear 2nd and 3rd, gaining the former's speed enhancements, and the latter's attack power.

Shinsoo will also be dispersed by the PASSIVE barrier that all basic Busoshoku users are capable of doing.
 
Yeah, I personally agree with Cin.

Shinsoo is at best deflected by a passive barrier and at worse completely nullified

Luffy speed boost is still active, so he has a solid speed advantage.

His precog is enough to make any lethal attack the princess can do be countered. His sensory perception is also better than most of what TOG has to offer.

Yuri does possibly have the advantage in experience and maybe intelligence.

But I will vote Luffy for precog, speed advantage, stamina, and stats amplification with armament haki. In the long term, Luffy has more of an advantage due to stamina and precog, so it seems slightly favorable to him.

Even if Yuri did have immobilization, she has never been shown to use it in character so it is likely she will not. Also, considering the two are so close in AP.
 
CinCameron20 said:
Disregarding the obvious wank at the near-top of this thread (Not you Rinkaku): Kinkiest explained a bit about what Shinsoo Manipulation is to me briefly. I'm gonna go with Luffy for now until I gain further knowledge on this.
Luffy wins due to Speed-boost w/ Gear 2nd and Pseudo-Soru, Pre-cog, Sensory abilities, Haoshoku possibly working (will explain further if this point is supported later on after talking to Kinkiest), range, and even combative intellect. Idk about stamina as Yuri's is not justified or explained, so I'll leave that in the air for now. Gear 3rd and/or Busoshoku Haki should tip the AP and Dura into his favor.

If necessary, he can also stack Gear 2nd and 3rd, gaining the former's speed enhancements, and the latter's attack power.

Shinsoo will also be dispersed by the PASSIVE barrier that all basic Busoshoku users are capable of doing.
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Wank? come on mahn, the first impression ur giving me of urself isn't good.

I actually made a mistake and read the rules wrongly. I thought they were both in "base", and if u read the last part of my comment well u'll see so. That was why i thought she god stomped him.

I don't like when people use the word wank when u could just simply disagree ir ignore it.
 
@Cin

What barrier does Luffy possess that will disperse Shinsoo?

@Kinkiest

Hardly anyone uses Fast Skip in TOG at this point because it's already been established that it can be powered through, even by those weaker than you are, and in particular by those stronger than you. So to say that she won't use it in character is false simply by the nature of the verse she's in. It would be more accurate to suggest that she won't use it only because we haven't seen her attempt to do so. But it's a technique that all Rankers should have, hence why it's listed on her page.

Also, what's the Ap difference betwee the two again? I'm gonna go check real quick.
 
I just checked. Base Yuri is at least 2.7 terratons while Luffy is 2.3 terratons. Pretty similar, though they can both boost their stats through statistics amplification. Also, if the calc putting him at Low 6-B is while he was in gear two, wouldn't he only get a speed boost when entering Gear 4? Or is his speed given while in base?
 
@Cin

Do not forget that Yuri can also use the Shinsoo to increase his speed (because ToG Statistics Amplification in general does not only increase AP and durability, but also the speed) and Yuri's Durability is greater than her AP, because Karaka's Damage Counter which had absorbed the damage from her attacks through the black and golden Baangs he wore and used the Rain of Darkness against her, and Yuri's body was almost scratchy and some parts of her clothing torn, meaning she might agonize her own attacks with some scratches and the Shinsoo also increases her Durability and this will make it difficult for Luffy to be able to do any damage she feels in pain, but it's not impossible for Yuri to feel pain, it's only difficult.

Also Yuri has the advantage of experience in fighting and intelligence, since she was a Regular who became a Ranker in 200 years and later became a High Ranker in 100 years, and her age is 618+, and Yuri like other Regulares who have turned Rankers in the past have gone through situations or battles of life or death like any Regular, since it is said that among 100,000 Regular only one turns Ranker, that is the experience and intelligence goes to Yuri since to become a Ranker, not enough power , but intelligence and cunning to climb the Tower.

@Teon

Not only does Gear 4th increase speed, but also Gear 2nd increases Luffy's speed, remember his fight against Blueno? Before using Gear 2nd, the Blueno was paired Luffy base in speed, but after using the 2nd Gear, Luffy started bluestone Blueno several times indicating that Gear 2nd increases speed, but Shinsoo enhancement also applies Speed not only in AP and Durability.

And also after the timeskip, Luffy in character never used Gear Stacking (okay it was against Moria he used it on before the timeskip, but he does not use it in character after the timeskip... as far as I remember)
 
Luffy's Haki will help out againts Yuri but I seriously doubt it'll turn the battle towards his favor.

Kenbu will be usefull but it's not a game changer, Busho will just simply give him added defence and strength but won't complelty nulifyYuri's attacks nore would it be enough to fully get pass Yuri's durabilility(taking a combined attack of multiple of her own and another attack that is comparable to her own and not get hurt is something to be impress about.) and i highly doubt Hao will ever be able to knock out Yuri.

This is definatly not a stomp for Yuri since he is strong to give Yuri a hard time.

Gear 2 & 3 are powerful but he never used either one of them for long periods of time, or at least not long enough to actually wear down Yuri in the long run, and he only ever stacked them once and he never done it again.

And lest not forget Yuri's Rose Shower, I highly doubt Luffy will be unscathed since that has a huge range and fire power( it basically Kill Karak and he only survived due to his ablility. Even with all of Luffy's Haki and Gears wouldn't be able to comepletly defend or evade it, honestly I think it would critically wound or even kill him. but I do like Luffy so I'm giving him the benifite of the doubt.
 
@JBennett

Yuri's durability is greater than her AP (because she tanked the Rain of Darkness that absorbed all her attacks earlier and used against her, but Yuri left with some scratches and torn clothes, that means she can handle her own attacks with a few scratches and Luffy is almost similar to her in AP), but Luffy can still hurt her, although he will have a little trouble doing so.

But Yuri's biggest challenge in this match is because Luffy is made of rubber and is highly resistant to brute force, and Yuri usually fights melee, and her main fighting style is based on brute force, in which Luffy is highly resistant.
 
@Enyru

I'm confused as to why that's directed towards me. That sounds like an argument against Cin on why Yuri would win as opposed to Luffy. I do recall those events as I'm the one who updated her page during the first set of revisions, lol. I also noted that they both have statistics amplification, which include things like speed. Once again, this feels more like an argument directed towards those whom have voted for Luffy, as opposed to answering any of the questions I have posed.
 
@Teon

I inadvertently put your name on it, it was actually to put Cin in Teon's place, and it turned out to be that way, but hopefully I'll sort it out, and it was for me to respond to you and Cin at the same time, sorry if it seemed a response directly to you.

Edit: And I managed, even though I was the creator of Thread, I can still argue, even though I can not vote.
 
Rather I think it's just that we've yet to see what Yuri can acually can do when she's going full out since it's basically confermed during that battle that she wasn't going full out so that she did not kill baam and the rest, but yeah she more durable.

Yeah It's not going to be easy for Luffy to harm Yuri servierly cuase she was barelly damage againts Rain of Darkness, I'm reading the chapter now and she's not even brused her clothes are slightly damage but nothing major.
 
But, generally thinking, how Luffy will surpass Yuri's (true flight) or how Yuri will overtake Luffy's advanced precog (Can he see a few seconds in the future when he focuses on Kenbunshoku Haki)?
 
Luffy's specialty according to Rayleigh involves his ability to sense living things. This means his ability to use Kenbunshoku Haki does not hinge on future-sight, but on his ability to sense his opponent's actions. It's akin to a lesser level of one-way telepathy/mind-reading.

However, during Whole-Cake Island, he increased his overall ability to the extent where he could match someone like Katakuri, who can see several seconds into the future perpetually as long as Kenbun is active. Luffy basically acquired this ability thanks to Katakuri himself.

Oh, and yeah, he attained it because Haki evolves in the midst of combat. So it could possibly become even stronger.

BTW, like I said, Luffy doesn't have a single speed-boost. He has Gear 2nd, and he also has the Rokushiki technique, Soru, which he copied from the CP9 in Water 7.

And Luffy can still control himself air-borne without Gear 4th by using his arms and legs to sling-shot himself around by grappling on the nearby environment... there's also abilities like Gomu Gomu UFO, where he can glide by spinning his legs like propellers.

Also, blunt-force and electrical attacks are automatically not going to be a decisive factor against Luffy unless Yuri is vastly higher than his Durability (She is no Doflamingo or Katakuri, so no) to the extent where her power bypasses his resistance.

@El Directo - <_<;... You're basically acknowledging Yuri's feats and disregarding anything Luffy has in order to say Yuri wins. Look at your initial post and tell me exactly how that is not wank, let alone biased.

"Yuri was about to physically uproot the entirety of the testing arena back on the 2nd floor, a flick of her finger made a freaking huge hole in the ground without using shinsoo, she turned all of wool guy's shineuh into paste in an instant, her nuclear punch ignites the air and causes huge explosion and crater in the ground while being casual, and since u said in base, i don't know are we including her rose flower too?? cuz if so she murderstomps 5x over. Luffy doesn't stand much of a chance in base, if he goes gear 4th then we have a fight."

Where here do you even begin to acknowledge what Luffy is capable of? The answer is no where. Not to mention there's counter points for literally everything you've said to give Luffy the W.
 
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