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Mario vs Sonic Redux

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It has been done before, but the plumber got an upgrade. His greatest rival is challenging him again. I am not sure if this counts as controversial or not, but it's being done again. Everybody has everything in their arsenal. NO ARCHIE, but World Rings and MAYBE Pure Hearts are allowed. Every feat can be used. Let the ultimate video game battle begin. Fight to the death in Final Destination, but the platform is infinite.
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Aren't the Pure Hearts specifically made to cancel out the Chaos Heart? If so, wouldn't that make them completely ineffective against anything else? Or am I mistaken?
 
The Everlasting said:
Aren't the Pure Hearts specifically made to cancel out the Chaos Heart? If so, wouldn't that make them completely ineffective against anything else? Or am I mistaken?
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The Pure Hearts do cancel out the Chaos Heart, but they also give the user power. When the Hearts were used on Dimentio, they made him vulnerable to harm, but they also gave Mario and the gang power to actually harm him.
 
Even with the Pure Hearts can Mario even keep up in speed? The PH don't seem to increase his durability any, and Sonic still has the speed advantage. Sure, Mario gets the higher AP, but I don't think it would do much good.
 
Pikachu942 said:
Even with the Pure Hearts can Mario even keep up in speed? The PH don't seem to increase his durability any, and Sonic still has the speed advantage. Sure, Mario gets the higher AP, but I don't think it would do much good.
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Wouldn't they have to increase his durability, otherwise Dimentio would have manhandled him?
 
Pikachu942 said:
Even with the Pure Hearts can Mario even keep up in speed? The PH don't seem to increase his durability any, and Sonic still has the speed advantage. Sure, Mario gets the higher AP, but I don't think it would do much good.
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possibly but i doubt it due to Mario being in Tier 2 while Sonic is still only in tier 3
 
Wouldn't they have to increase his durability, otherwise Dimentio would have manhandled him?

Well in the battle, prior to the PH aiding you and after, you receive the same damage from Dimentio, but now you can hurt him. The Pure Hearts seem to be an external power source of sorts that isn't increasing Mario's durability from what I see at least. Could just be game mechanics I guess though.

Also that picture reminds me, Alvin remaking SMBZ hype!
 
Pikachu942 said:
Well in the battle, prior to the PH aiding you and after, you receive the same damage from Dimentio, but now you can hurt him. The Pure Hearts seem to be an external power source of sorts that isn't increasing Mario's durability from what I see at least. Could just be game mechanics I guess though.
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I suppose you could explain that away with the fact that initially, Dimentio was just toying with you, as he assumed you had used up the Pure Hearts' power on Bleck and were completely unable to do anything to him. However, once they activate, the three amigos become a legitimate threat to his plan and he begins taking it seriously.
 
Mario has easier access to the Pure Hearts than Sonic has to the World Rings. Either way, they both exist solely in an alternate universe that's inside a book.

This is a spite match. Sonic can't do diddly to Mario. World Rings and Pure Hearts are not standard equipment and should not be taken into account at all. Limit both to base forms, Mario stomps. Give Sonic his Super form and keep Mario in base form, Mario still stomps. Give 'em both literally everything they've ever had, Mario stomps.
 
No, he doesn't. Mario can more than easily react at MFTL speeds as made crystal clear in Super Mario Galaxy.

Besides, blitzing won't get Sonic anywhere if Mario's durability >>>>>>>>>>>> Sonic's AP. Mario only needs to land one hit, while Sonic can hit Mario until he's blue in the face (even that small part that isn't blue normally) and Mario won't feel a thing.
 
WarriorWare said:
No, he doesn't. Mario can more than easily react at MFTL speeds as made crystal clear in Super Mario Galaxy.
Besides, blitzing won't get Sonic anywhere if Mario's durability >>>>>>>>>>>> Sonic's AP. Mario only needs to land one hit, while Sonic can hit Mario until he's blue in the face (even that small part that isn't blue normally) and Mario won't feel a thing.
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Well, if we're talking about one-time McGuffins that exist solely in an alternate universe that are within a storybook that the characters don't keep around, then I must bring up the Pure Hearts, which are multi-universal while the World Rings are only universal.
 
WarriorWare said:
Well, if we're talking about one-time McGuffins that exist solely in an alternate universe that are within a storybook that the characters don't keep around, then I must bring up the Pure Hearts, which are multi-universal while the World Rings are only universal.
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Mario galaxy was a one time thing.
 
Two-time, actually. SMG2 is a thing. Besides, those are physical feats. Mario still has his arms, legs, and mind, no matter what game he's in. The one-time part isn't the issue, it's the fact that Sonic has absolutely no reasonable access to the World Rings, and even if we're giving him those anyway, it's not fair to do that for Sonic and not give Mario the Pure Hearts, since they're in the exact same boat, and the Pure Hearts counter Darkspine Sonic, just like they did with Super Dimentio, who is far stronger.
 
And Sonic's not always universal. Just in that one game. In fact, just in that one scene in that one game.

Plenty of Kirby games are completely devoid of FTL feats or planet level ones, but that doesn't mean he isn't FTL and planet level in those games. That's ridiculous.

You can't just wave off two entire chunks of the series - especially not the best two games IN the series - as two 20-hour long outliers. It doesn't work like that.
 
Um, Hyper, I made this thread on the fact that Mario got upgraded due to SMG. It would be the same thing all over again otherwise. So yes, SMG is being used.
 
WarriorWare said:
And Sonic's not always universal. Just in that one game. In fact, just in that one scene in that one game.
Plenty of Kirby games are completely devoid of FTL feats or planet level ones, but that doesn't mean he isn't FTL and planet level in those games. That's ridiculous.

You can't just wave off two entire chunks of the series - especially not the best two games IN the series - as two 20-hour long outliers. It doesn't work like that.
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Cool.

Every Kirby game has an FTL feat.

When those two chunks are massively inconsistant with Mario's more common showings, Then it doesn't matter how good or long the game is.
 
Hyperception said:
WarriorWare said:
And Sonic's not always universal. Just in that one game. In fact, just in that one scene in that one game.
Plenty of Kirby games are completely devoid of FTL feats or planet level ones, but that doesn't mean he isn't FTL and planet level in those games. That's ridiculous.

You can't just wave off two entire chunks of the series - especially not the best two games IN the series - as two 20-hour long outliers. It doesn't work like that.
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Cool.
Every Kirby game has an FTL feat.

When those two chunks are massively inconsistant with Mario's more common showings, Then it doesn't matter how good or long the game is.
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Kirby's Avalanche, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Kirby's Dream Course, Kirby 64, Kirby Triple Deluxe, wow, do you have the faintest idea how utterly wrong you are?

They're the two latest entries in the Mario series to have much of a plot. Mario gets progressively stronger, like most video game characters do. I fail to see how he's so consistently portrayed as so much weaker. Besides, this thread wouldn't exist if we were just going to throw SMG out the window. It only exists because we aren't.
 
WarriorWare wrote:
Hyperception wrote:
WarriorWare wrote:
And Sonic's not always universal. Just in that one game. In fact, just in that one scene in that one game.
Plenty of Kirby games are completely devoid of FTL feats or planet level ones, but that doesn't mean he isn't FTL and planet level in those games. That's ridiculous.

You can't just wave off two entire chunks of the series - especially not the best two games IN the series - as two 20-hour long outliers. It doesn't work like that.


Cool.
Every Kirby game has an FTL feat.

When those two chunks are massively inconsistant with Mario's more common showings, Then it doesn't matter how good or long the game is.

Kirby's Avalanche, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Kirby's Dream Course, Kirby 64, Kirby Triple Deluxe, wow, do you have the faintest idea how utterly wrong you are?

They're the two latest entries in the Mario series to have much of a plot. Mario gets progressively stronger, like most video game characters do. I fail to see how he's so consistently portrayed as so much weaker. Besides, this thread wouldn't exist if we were just going to throw SMG out the window. It only exists because we aren't.


http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=21992
 
wait, is this just Mario vs Sonic, Marioverse vs Sonic Verse, Mario and Luigi vs Sonic and Shadow...?


the topic doesn't make it very clear.
 
It's pretty clear. It's Mario the plumber against Sonic the hedgehog.

If you want Marioverse vs. Sonicverse, though, characters like Super Dimentio and Rosalina cut through the Sonic cast like wet toilet paper.
 
WarriorWare said:
Nothing Super Dimentio can't handle.
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Yeah. Looking at their profiles, Super Dimentio wrecks. I initially thought Time Eater was 2-A on this site. Man, I was wrong lol. Even Rosalina can beat him potentially. Solaris would be a problem, but I believe SD can take him. But anyway, Mario vs Sonic continues.
 
So is there any further argument we can make either way? It seems like base Mario beats both base and Super Sonic, and if power-ups are allowed, Pure Hearts beat anything Sonic can bring up.

Should we at least take Mario off of Sonic's Notable Victories?
 
WarriorWare said:
So is there any further argument we can make either way? It seems like base Mario beats both base and Super Sonic, and if power-ups are allowed, Pure Hearts beat anything Sonic can bring up.

Should we at least take Mario off of Sonic's Notable Victories?
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Its up to the admins to do that
 
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