Bartolomeo vs Undyne

Notadeadguy · Dec 7, 2015

Just a simple duel.

Who would win and why?

Note: This is Undyne without her undying form

Verivici · Dec 7, 2015

ingnore this comment

Pocket-Chu · Dec 7, 2015

Stalemate, the ******** white pixel thing is too fast for Barto to hit but his barrier has more durability than Undyne has dc....soo yeah

Gnomishness · Dec 7, 2015

Barto will cower. Undyne will determinedly spam energy spears. Undyne is very persistent, but Barto hardly needs any effort to keep up his barrier. It might come down to endurance, where Barto probably takes it through tiring Undyne out, but there is another factor to account for. In one of Undyne's Undying form attacks, she expresses capability to manifest spears almost directly around her opponent, instead of just flinging them from her hands. If she can replicate this, even once, after and hour of regular fighting, in her base form, she can win due to that. Otherwise, she stands no chance and will eventually collapse.

Notadeadguy · Dec 7, 2015

Scoreboard so far:

Undyne: 1

Bartolomeo: 1

Draw: 1

Gnomishness · Dec 8, 2015

I'd consider my vote a draw personally.

I'd root for Undyne, anyway...

Notadeadguy · Dec 8, 2015

So it's

Undyne 1 and 2 people think it's a draw

WarriorWare · Dec 8, 2015

Pocket-Chu said:
Stalemate, the ******** white pixel thing is too fast for Barto to hit but his barrier has more durability than Undyne has dc....soo yeah

"******** white pixel thing"

someone hasn't played the best indie game in years

Anyway, can't Undyne just shank him from up close? She's got more than those arrows. Just how freely can this man use these barriers?

Notadeadguy · Dec 8, 2015

"******** white pixel thing"

someone hasn't played the best indie game in years

Now now everyone has a right to an opinion to this wiki. Even if it might be insulting that is just what Pocket Chu thinks

Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot · Dec 8, 2015

I'd probably go with Undyne. Not only is she stronger and faster, but she has pretty decent soul hax, too. Yeah, she'd have a hard time getting through Barto's barriers, but she'd literally only have to hit him once and it'd be over. There's also that fact that since her spears are made of energy and she's shown the ability to create them out of thin air, she could likely just create spears under Barto's feet like she did with Frisk.

WarriorWare · Dec 8, 2015

Y'see, if he played Undertale he'd know that Undyne is actually blue, but all the sprites are monochrome in battle. That said, I tend to get condescending whenever someone uses "********" as an insult in general.

Notadeadguy · Dec 8, 2015

Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
I'd probably go with Undyne. Not only is she stronger and faster, but she has pretty decent soul hax, too. Yeah, she'd have a hard time getting through Barto's barriers, but she'd literally only have to hit him once and it'd be over. There's also that fact that since her spears are made of energy and she's shown the ability to create them out of thin air, she could likely just create spears under Barto's feet like she did with Frisk.

That was because she was practically under him/her and Bartolomeo can use Barrier Ball to cover for the ground as well.

Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot · Dec 8, 2015

Notadeadguy said:
That was because she was practically under him/her and Bartolomeo can use Barrier Ball to cover for the ground as well.

She does it in battle, as well.

Notadeadguy · Dec 8, 2015

So it's 2 points for Undyne and 2 for a draw

Verivici · Dec 9, 2015

Pocket-Chu said:
Stalemate, the ******** white pixel thing is too fast for Barto to hit but his barrier has more durability than Undyne has dc....soo yeah

Go back to 4Chan, please.

Pocket-Chu · Dec 9, 2015

HIT IT said:
Pocket-Chu said:

Stalemate, the ******** white pixel thing is too fast for Barto to hit but his barrier has more durability than Undyne has dc....soo yeah

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Go back to 4Chan, please.

Based on your opinion for this thread i'm assuming you're bias or something as for me going back to 4chan the funny thing is i've heard of it but i don't know what it is exactly :V

Squid_peanut · Dec 9, 2015

lets try to avoid bashing on others so this discussion doesn't degrade into hate.

that said I feel the only way Bart stands a chance is if undyne gives him one, his barrior would be usefull (if we assume its mountain level and not city level which wouldn't stand to the city + spears) but still how much punishment would it be able to take from Undyne without breaking? on top of that his only effective means of attacking is bellow Undyne's durability and leaves him open to attack. on top of that she can as stated before in this thread, attack from litterally any direction in quick succession. which then brings the uterlly gross difference in speed. Undyne is capable of Relativistic+ without much effort and Bartolomeo is only capable of Hypersonic+. This is why I said if Undyne gives him a chance because otherwise she can turn him into a pincussion before he can even prossess that the battle had begun

Gnomishness · Dec 10, 2015

Squid: you're severely underestimating Bartolomeo's barrier.

"The King's Punch" was an attack which was capable of blowing away a large mountain while the puncher himself was dozens of miles away. The punch itself was above large mountain; it was hinted that the punch's impact dissipates over distance.

Bartolomeo's barrier blocked the FULL punch POINT BLANK with NO SIGNS OF DAMAGE WHATSOEVER.

Bartolomeo's barrier could block Undyne's spears for days.

And Bartolomeo is certainly cowardly enough to use his barrier immediately. And Undyne would certainly be willing to let him do that much.

From there it's just a matter of waiting till one of them falls asleep enough to lower their guard.

Either that or Undyne finds a way to manifest spears within his barrier and kill him like that.

Squid_peanut · Dec 10, 2015

ah, sorry I was just going off of the stats that are on site, don't know much of anything besides that. however is there any reason he wouldn't use the full covering variant? because if there is that would make the speed difference show in undyne attacking from all sides still. also if it turns into a stamina thing, Undyne was able to keep up with Frisk, only slowing down after refusing to die or being submitted to prolonged volcanic temperatures in a thick metal suit

Notadeadguy · Dec 10, 2015

Bartolomeo doesn't need much energy to use his barriers though. He just needs to cross his fingers and the barriers there.

Also I don't necessarily think the speed is relativistic at first unless you taunt her.

We also don't necessarily know how much force the Barrier can take but from Bartolomeo's words he said nothing can break his barrier including the King Punch or Doflamingos strings

Squid_peanut · Dec 10, 2015

so how long can he keep his fingers crossed as he is barraged by countless attacks from what would look like a blue and grey blur that is getting more and more annoyed by the second, because Undyne is litteraly someone who will never give up.

Notadeadguy · Dec 10, 2015

Well like I said he doesn't use energy when using the barrier so possibly as long as he wants and he can actually alter his barrier to spread it around or move across (like Barrier Crash). there's not really a limit to his barrier other than he can only have one at a time and there's a limit to the amount of surface area to the barrier at one Time.

Gnomishness · Dec 10, 2015

Judging by the endurance feats of other OnePiece characters, Bartolomeo should be able to hold it for at least couple days. Maybe longer.

In pure endurance, Bartolomeo probably has this, though I'm convinced that Undyne will eventually find a way to circumvent the barrier entirely.

Squid_peanut · Dec 10, 2015

I meant how long would it take for him to collapse from exhaustion/ his arms to get tired. it takes little effort but he's still standing in one spot maintaining a position that if he lets up for a moment would spell his doom. does this guy have the physical and mental stamina to outlast the trained, unbelievably super human, angry fish lady attacking him from all sides at speeds comparable to that of light over the course of possibly hours or even days.

Notadeadguy · Dec 10, 2015

Not really he might get jumpscared by her speed but the barrier won't even shake from even A King Punch Or Hakuba's (aka Cavendish) blinding speed slashes. Also he doesn't really need to stay in position. He can even cross his finger and put his hand on his pocket while using his other hand to pick his nose.

The dude literally took a piss in front of a whole crowd of people in a coliseum battle royale and anyone who attacked him from behind was immediately met up with and harmed by his barrier. So he can actually multitask with it.

Squid_peanut · Dec 10, 2015

Gnomishness said:
Judging by the endurance feats of other OnePiece characters, Bartolomeo should be able to hold it for at least couple days. Maybe longer.
In pure endurance, Bartolomeo probably has this, though I'm convinced that Undyne will eventually find a way to circumvent the barrier entirely.

well given how crazy she was able to keep up with Frisk for extended periods of time and only really ran out of steam when she had reconstituded her body like three times or from running at seeminly relativistic speeds while in a magma cavern after an intense battle and chasing someone at the previously stated speed, all while wearing heavy plate mail and being a fish... I say her stamina is pretty solid too

Gnomishness · Dec 10, 2015

My previous comment probably wasn't giving him enough credit. Bartolomeo could hold out for a week or maybe 10 days. Guys in One Piece, only a tier or two higher then him, can do that in an actual fist to fist fight (without being noted for remarkable stamina) so it's no real stretch.

Squid_peanut · Dec 10, 2015

Notadeadguy said:
Not really he might get jumpscared by her speed but the barrier won't even shake from even A King Punch Or Hakuba's (aka Cavendish) blinding speed slashes. Also he doesn't really need to stay in position. He can even cross his finger and put his hand on his pocket while using his other hand to pick his nose.
The dude literally took a piss in front of a whole crowd of people in a coliseum battle royale and anyone who attacked him from behind was immediately met up with and harmed by his barrier. So he can actually multitask with it.

oh that kind of finger crossing, I thought you meant where he was forming an x with his index fingers. and it would less be "him being jumpscared" and more him hereing never ending relativistic dings while Undyne yells NGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH at him and suplexs boulders for the entire duration of the fight.

Notadeadguy · Dec 10, 2015

oh that kind of finger crossing, I thought you meant where he was forming an x with his index fingers. and it would less be "him being jumpscared" and more him hereing never ending relativistic dings while Undyne yells NGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH at him and suplexs boulders for the entire duration of the fight.

And him laughing at Undyne while picking his nose

Squid_peanut · Dec 10, 2015

Notadeadguy said:
oh that kind of finger crossing, I thought you meant where he was forming an x with his index fingers. and it would less be "him being jumpscared" and more him hereing never ending relativistic dings while Undyne yells NGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH at him and suplexs boulders for the entire duration of the fight.

And him laughing at Undyne while picking his nose

and then this just keeps going without stop for apperently a whole week

Gnomishness · Dec 10, 2015

Undyne needs to sleep too.

This was confirmed by a phone call. She isn't a "special case" like Papyrus.

And there is NO WAY she'll outlast Barto if she keeps up her habits of continually suplexing boulders in the middle of the battle.

Squid_peanut · Dec 10, 2015

so Undyne colapses from exhaustion first, can Bart kill her before making her consious enough to burst determination and attack him with his shield down.

Gnomishness · Dec 10, 2015

I'm thinking that Undyne eventually finds a way to manifest spears within the barrier before that happens, but yea, if she doesn't that's basically what happens.

Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot · Dec 10, 2015

Gnomishness said:
I'm thinking that Undyne eventually finds a way to manifest spears within the barrier before that happens, but yea, if she doesn't that's basically what happens.

I think she eventually would, albeit the fight would still take a while. Undyne's hot headed and impulsive, but she's not stupid. If she realizes she can't break the barrier, she'll try something else.

Gnomishness · Dec 10, 2015

She's a bit stupid, much like the Shonen protagonists which she represents, but there are definitely moments were she shows a startling self-awareness to her own shortcomings. She isn't a one-dimensional character. That why I agree with you, Azathoth.

Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot · Dec 10, 2015

Gnomishness said:
She's a bit stupid, much like the Shonen protagonists which she represents, but there are definitely moments were she shows a startling self-awareness to her own shortcomings. She isn't a one-dimensional character. That why I agree with you, Azathoth.

Don't know why, but I'm suddenly having flashbacks to cooking with Undyne.

Pocket-Chu · Dec 10, 2015

Actually i think i'll change my vote from stalemate to Bartolomeo

Verivici · Dec 10, 2015

Pocket-Chu said:
HIT IT said:

Pocket-Chu said:

Stalemate, the ******** white pixel thing is too fast for Barto to hit but his barrier has more durability than Undyne has dc....soo yeah

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Go back to 4Chan, please.

Click to expand...

Based on your opinion for this thread i'm assuming you're bias or something as for me going back to 4chan the funny thing is i've heard of it but i don't know what it is exactly :V

Biased.

Me.

You're the one who refers to the character you don't want to win as '********'.

And assuming you're an Internet regular I find it surprising you don't know what 4chan is. It's a imageboard site and the most (in)famous imageboard site on the web, and it has gained notoriety for being filled with memespams, trolling etc. Here are some of the more famous sub-boards on the site:

/a/: Anime and manga discussions.

/jp/: Japanese stuff that isn't strictly speaking anime or manga such as visual novels.

/tg/: Tabletop games, it's a surprisingly awesome place if I may say so myself.

/b/: ƒÆ®

etc

Anyway, my intial statement was based on "lol lemmie look at their profiles for a few secs", and since I don't know anything about OP it was kinda dumb.

XXBeerusTheDestroyerXx · Dec 11, 2015

Undyne is weak, she would get crushed by a normal soldier with no problem. Especially without Undying, if Asgore couldn't fell a single human in the great war, then Undyne gets crushed by anyone who is superhuman. The more killing intent a human has, the more damage it will do to a monster.

Saikou_The_Lewd_King · Dec 11, 2015

No. No. No.

First of all, Undyne has Superhuman feats on her own, so that's BS right from the start, secondly, the Human > Monster thing only applies with Humans from the Undertale verse, not humans from any verse.

Bartolomeo vs Undyne

The King of all Things Lewd

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