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Samus Aran vs Rumplestiltskin [DONE]

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Under what season did Rumple become 5-B? I'm not questioning it, but it does affect his mentality and how willing he is to transmute people and the like. I remember him Bill-ing around when he was a d*ck, but it's far from OoC for him to use that magic.

That said, the only season I've watched to completion was season 1. I watched parts of season 2, watched the first half of season 3, and haven't watched more than two or three episodes a season since.
 
The real cal howard said:
Under what season did Rumple become 5-B? I'm not questioning it, but it does affect his mentality and how willing he is to transmute people and the like. I remember him Bill-ing around when he was a d*ck, but it's far from OoC for him to use that magic.
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I did not understand a thing.

But, if you're asking if it is in-character for him to turn people into other things while he is 5-B, then yes. It was during Season 5, when he was a complete jerk and all that he cared about was himself. Albeit his first move is likely going to be erasing his opponent from existance now, since now he's got the most powerful object in the OUATverse at his disposal.

Not saying he would not turn Samus into a pig, though.
 
Your guess was right. I was asking how likely was he to do that stuff as a 5-B as I saw pretty much none of season 5. I remembered how back in season 1, he preferred to laugh at his opponents or stab them or remove hearts (Correct me if I'm wrong. Haven't watched season 1 in years)
 
So it would be in character for Rumplestiltskin to teleport behind Samus and transform her to a pig, Erase from existance or get completely transmuted?

If so I am voting for him.
 
The real cal howard said:
Your guess was right. I was asking how likely was he to do that stuff as a 5-B as I saw pretty much none of season 5. I remembered how back in season 1, he preferred to laugh at his opponents or stab them or remove hearts (Correct me if I'm wrong. Haven't watched season 1 in years)
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Rumple has a pretty good historic of turning those who piss him off into lesser beings.
 
The main advantage Samus has is the fact that she is in power armor. This is important as alot of 'the dark one's' arsenal requires direct contact. Nothing in that regard would be able to get through her defenses as she has tanked worst then he can possibly dish out where as something such as the water wouldn't make it's way through.

On the flip side, Samus has way more deadly hax at her disposal and would quickly overwelm him almost the instant the fight started. He simply lacks the defenses to take a hit and thanks to Standard Battle Assumptions, Samus has another inherent advantage as she outranges most of his more outragous abilities. Even if he teleports, her reation time is insane compared to his and his movement options have an obvious tell in the form of smoke.

My vote is for Samus for now. My only questions at this point are has Rumplestiltskin been shown to transmute people at a large distance and if so can he react fast enough to use it before Samus all but instintally kills him? Cause as far as I read up on his abilities he wouldn't have much of a chance other then that (Read his wiki and Vs profile, not an expert on his character as I don't watch his show. If I am mistaken about something please inform me)
 
@Otter it says that he's roughly several meters with all of his other magic, and only planetary with teleportation. So he needs to teleport right close to her for him to use his hax.
 
I'm pretty sure "transmuting to a pig," Samus has resistance to that. Transmutation has multiple sub-categories; and in this case, it's biology manipulation, which Samus has resistance to. And yeah, Samus has a massive range advantage, plus her Ice Beam, Wave Beam, Plasma Beam combination enables her to oneshot Rumble. He ain't dodging Samus's Stellar AoE even with teleportation, Samus can slow down time; thus nullifying speed equalization to some extent. Also, do to her precognition, Samus is going to know exactly where Rumble's going to teleport. Samus also has a massive AP and Durability Advantage; The Dark One is just baseline Planet level where as Samus is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Her own Power Bombs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tallon Metroid's durability.

So yeah, Samus takes this rather easily.
 
hmm, if it's not that big of a stomp, then Samus should take this for the reasons stated above, on top of being resistant to plenty of his hax, which would screw him over in the long run.
 
So, that's 3 votes to Samus.

Just need to say that Rumple can yes tansmutate enemies at long distances, as we can see here. I'm gonna make a revision threat for that sort of thing latter.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Also, do to her precognition, Samus is going to know exactly where Rumble's going to teleport.
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Rumple - just like all the Dark Ones - is resistant to precognition.
 
@TheOwnMagiv Well, yes, but Samus also has resistance to the nullification of Precognition. Also, there are different levels and categories of Precognition; Samus doesn't just see images, but she also has this Ultra Instinct like ability where she just knows her opponents every move before they make it. Her body can react on its own to dodge projectiles that even she's not aware of.

@Cal I know, but Magic also has subcategories just like Transmutation. Transmutation generally has sub categories like biology manipulation, technology manipulation, matter manipulation, elemental manipulation, soul manipulation, ect. All of which Samus has resistance to. Additionally, Samus has resisted magic the Reptilicus. Pretty sure Phazo is a much more potent level of hax than anything Rumble's ever done also.
 
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Well, just want to say that Rumple can get past most of his enemies' resistances (as his page says). As an example, Zelena's got resistance to Dark Magic and Rumple can harm her with it with no problems.

Another example is when Rumple says he is gonna rip Wish Realm Rumple's heart out, and you can't rip the Dark One's heart. Also, Wish Realm Rumple could go past Original Rumple's resistance to telekinetic choke and easily choke him. So, "resisting" is most likely not gonna work here.

Also, transmutation is nowhere near the only thing Rumple can do. What has Samus got against BFR? Or against Existance Erasure? Petrification? Also, what prevents Rumple from immobilizing Samus with a thought?

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It was never a point, actually. Samus would need to hit Rumple, which is probably not going to happen since he is known for spawning teleportation in fights. Also, his own Precognition is going to help him here (and Samus does not have resistance to it).
 
We didn't say that she's not resistant to precog, she's resistant to having her precog abilities being useless. Also her resistance is FAR more potent than normal resistance. A good chunk is on a planetary scale due to phazon.

What has samus has against those abilities? Having her precog, being able to slow down time, which makes it far easier to avoid the attacks and blast him away.
 
Theglassman12 said:
We didn't say that she's not resistant to precog, she's resistant to having her precog abilities being useless. Also her resistance is FAR more potent than normal resistance. A good chunk is on a planetary scale due to phazon.

What has samus has against those abilities? Having her precog, being able to slow down time, which makes it far easier to avoid the attacks and blast him away.
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And how fast can she do that? I mean, Rumple will barely think and she will be paralyzed immediately.
 
The Dark One's ranges is still only dozens of meters and teleportation is his only planetary range ability. Samus has dealt with enemies who BFR using portals and teleport their own projectiles for Samus to dodge at point blank range. Samus's UI's will worn her about any that she'll simply need to move out of the way. All of Samus's abilities are at least Planetary in terms of range; with all her Arm Cannon attacks being Stellar. So Phase Drift will slow down Rumble's reactions dramatically

As for existence erasure, she's fought enemies with similar abilities; Macro-Quantum destruction combined with Soul Destruction is almost good enough to be considered Existence Erasure; both of which Samus can deal with regularly. Samus's Stellar range Ice Beam or simply dropping a single Power Bomb would easily one shot Rumble. Samus's Ice Beam would also phase through and hit every single target or illusion that Rumble tries to hide behind.

Also, Samus has 5 votes because Cal vaguely voted for her; Top 3 Smash Bros character + Waifu = Samus. He also said FRA
 
I tought Samus and Joey was non-canon, there is any other instance of her Arm Canon reaching Stellar range?
 
Samus and Joey is canon; it's been discussed multiple times and SomebodyData has provided multiple solid evidences. Metroid Other M has way too many strong connections meaning if one of them's canon, both of them are. SD can explain better than I, but Joey was actually mentioned in Other M iirc. And the "Any Objections Lady?" Followed by a thumbs down originated from S&J and was an occurring thing in Other M.
 
Regarding Stellar Range:

Nah, the Samus and Joey feat is the only Stellar feat, the only other words I can remember were severely high in the kilometers range, bordering on planetary.

Regarding Resistance:

I don't think Samus can resist the transmutation.

Regarding the Match:

That said, I don't know how this will turn out, given Samus' could just use an AoE attack as he teleports, meaning he isn't escaping it (Even the basic power beam has shown at times to have AoE in the mountain range.) Or Power Bomb a considerable distance. Not to mention pre-cog may allow her to Doge the initial transmutation and suprised attack.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
The Dark One's ranges is still only dozens of meters and teleportation is his only planetary range ability. Samus has dealt with enemies who BFR using portals and teleport their own projectiles for Samus to dodge at point blank range. Samus's UI's will worn her about any that she'll simply need to move out of the way.
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I'm not talking about projectiles in anyway. Nor about portals. Rumple's BFR is this.
 
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