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Finally I could organize this thing. Was hoping on doing it in my PC but...
Anyway, let's go straight to it:
STARTING DOWNGRADE PORTION----
Kars and Dio's Low 2-C rating
It was given based on Kars surviving Made in Heaven's speeding up the universe until it exploded 36 times. The problem is that not once in the novel are we given an explanation on how the universe resets.
One could assume that a Big Crunch occurred, which, as stated by @Assaltwaffle in this thread, it's the only death of the universe that could allow it to remake itself. The problem comes with how Made in Heaven itself works in the novel.
Explanation about the Big Crunch from Wikipedia: "Recent experimental evidence suggests that the expansion of the universe is not being slowed down by gravity but rather accelerating. However, since the nature of the dark energy that is postulated to drive the acceleration is unknown, a big crunch is still possible, although not observationally supported as of today."
"The idea behind the theory was originally, that the expansion of the universe was linked to the energy released in the Big Bang, therefore the outward speed of the matter would decrease over time due to gravity (mutual attraction). This would act as ballast and would eventually lead to a halt of the expansion. As matter attracts and there is no matter beyond the maximum expansion point, eventually all matter would begin to travel inwards again, accelerating as time passes."
Made in Heaven, as explained by Jorge Joestar here works by controlling Gravity to bend (and accelerate) Space-Time. Thus, seeing as a Big Crunch occurres by Gravity slowing down the expansion of the universe (MiH doing the literal opposite), then it can't be resetting the universe through that.
Besides that, the novel doesn't mention anything else about MiH's universal reset, which is only described as "the universe dying" and "remaking itself".
All scans that features Made i Heave i the novel here.
Not only that, but MiH is used to Time Travel in the novel, as one of the major plot points in JORGE JOESTAR is that the multiverse is a Spiral Staircase, and a closed system of 36 different iterations, MiH one of the only way to travel through it all... Which gives me a pretty good segway into the next point that gave Kars and Dio Low 2-C: the Cube House.
At one point in the novel, Kars crashes through what is described as a tesseract which has it's own space-time and was argued to have it's own universe within. This is The Cube house. Problem with this is quite simple. The Cube House is not a literal tesseract. It is simply eight rooms linked through space. It's fuction is to accelerate whoever falls into it through space-time so it can Time Travel. (The second of the only three ways to travel through the multiverse's Spiral Staircase)
As you can see, it's not universal in size, and Kars crashing through it should be treated as hax.
So, Kars (and Dio, since he scales) should be downgraded back to it's accepted calc of Country Level.
Next:
Kars resist Menger Sponge effect and OP time hax
No, he does not. And in that second scene you have Dio resisting his time stop (he talked while Time was stopped). Which brings me to one of the worst displays of wank...
Golden Experience Requiem and Infinite Speed
Here's the whole scene betwee Dio and GER.
Notice how: 1. Giorno wasn't even trying to fight 2. It is not implied that GER attempted to attack 3. It is not stated that GER was doing anything other than appearing 4. Dio just grabbed him with The World
Dio did not blitzed him, nor GER did a thing.
- "But GER is passive in the manga" Not i the novel. MiH sped up time right in front of him, which once again doesn't mention him doing any willpower stuff. He just punched Pucci and BFR him.
Plus, Kars never encountered GER. In conclusion, Dio didn't time stopped him, nor blitzed him, nor should have any resistance to it. As such, Kars doesn't have any of that either. (Don't know why we would scale resistances, but ok)
Let's continue:
Kars having a mind for every organism on Earth
D4C creates universes
Only comes from Joji speculating it. It shouldn't be used.
Kars can survive as a dissembodied soul
He never does this. In fact, he states quite the opposite. The only character that shows this ability is George Joestar II.
Whitesnake Ultimate
Besides Das Boots, the only stand that scales to Kars and Dio physically.
TL;DR:
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Oh, sweet sweet upgrades. Such a shame that there are so little with Jorge Joestar.
This additions only involve good ol' Joji.
Anyway, let's go straight to it:
STARTING DOWNGRADE PORTION----
Kars and Dio's Low 2-C rating
It was given based on Kars surviving Made in Heaven's speeding up the universe until it exploded 36 times. The problem is that not once in the novel are we given an explanation on how the universe resets.
One could assume that a Big Crunch occurred, which, as stated by @Assaltwaffle in this thread, it's the only death of the universe that could allow it to remake itself. The problem comes with how Made in Heaven itself works in the novel.
Explanation about the Big Crunch from Wikipedia: "Recent experimental evidence suggests that the expansion of the universe is not being slowed down by gravity but rather accelerating. However, since the nature of the dark energy that is postulated to drive the acceleration is unknown, a big crunch is still possible, although not observationally supported as of today."
"The idea behind the theory was originally, that the expansion of the universe was linked to the energy released in the Big Bang, therefore the outward speed of the matter would decrease over time due to gravity (mutual attraction). This would act as ballast and would eventually lead to a halt of the expansion. As matter attracts and there is no matter beyond the maximum expansion point, eventually all matter would begin to travel inwards again, accelerating as time passes."
Made in Heaven, as explained by Jorge Joestar here works by controlling Gravity to bend (and accelerate) Space-Time. Thus, seeing as a Big Crunch occurres by Gravity slowing down the expansion of the universe (MiH doing the literal opposite), then it can't be resetting the universe through that.
Besides that, the novel doesn't mention anything else about MiH's universal reset, which is only described as "the universe dying" and "remaking itself".
All scans that features Made i Heave i the novel here.
Not only that, but MiH is used to Time Travel in the novel, as one of the major plot points in JORGE JOESTAR is that the multiverse is a Spiral Staircase, and a closed system of 36 different iterations, MiH one of the only way to travel through it all... Which gives me a pretty good segway into the next point that gave Kars and Dio Low 2-C: the Cube House.
At one point in the novel, Kars crashes through what is described as a tesseract which has it's own space-time and was argued to have it's own universe within. This is The Cube house. Problem with this is quite simple. The Cube House is not a literal tesseract. It is simply eight rooms linked through space. It's fuction is to accelerate whoever falls into it through space-time so it can Time Travel. (The second of the only three ways to travel through the multiverse's Spiral Staircase)
As you can see, it's not universal in size, and Kars crashing through it should be treated as hax.
So, Kars (and Dio, since he scales) should be downgraded back to it's accepted calc of Country Level.
Next:
Kars resist Menger Sponge effect and OP time hax
No, he does not. And in that second scene you have Dio resisting his time stop (he talked while Time was stopped). Which brings me to one of the worst displays of wank...
Golden Experience Requiem and Infinite Speed
Here's the whole scene betwee Dio and GER.
Notice how: 1. Giorno wasn't even trying to fight 2. It is not implied that GER attempted to attack 3. It is not stated that GER was doing anything other than appearing 4. Dio just grabbed him with The World
Dio did not blitzed him, nor GER did a thing.
- "But GER is passive in the manga" Not i the novel. MiH sped up time right in front of him, which once again doesn't mention him doing any willpower stuff. He just punched Pucci and BFR him.
Plus, Kars never encountered GER. In conclusion, Dio didn't time stopped him, nor blitzed him, nor should have any resistance to it. As such, Kars doesn't have any of that either. (Don't know why we would scale resistances, but ok)
Let's continue:
Kars having a mind for every organism on Earth
Next:LephyrTheRevanchist said:
D4C creates universes
Only comes from Joji speculating it. It shouldn't be used.
Kars can survive as a dissembodied soul
He never does this. In fact, he states quite the opposite. The only character that shows this ability is George Joestar II.
Whitesnake Ultimate
Besides Das Boots, the only stand that scales to Kars and Dio physically.
TL;DR:
- Get rid of resistance to willpower manipulation and acausality from DIO's and Kars' profile
- Get rid of infinite speed
- Both downgraded to 6-B
- Getting rid of Kars' resistance to menger sponge
- Kars' disembodied soul thing would have to go, too.
- Upgrade White Snake key to 6-B
- Get rid of the note in Kars' profile that states he has a mind for everyone on Earth (though the resistance to mindhax can be kept)
- Getting rid of Low 2-C D4C
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Oh, sweet sweet upgrades. Such a shame that there are so little with Jorge Joestar.
This additions only involve good ol' Joji.
- He should have limited time manipulation.
- Joji should also be included a key with Whitesnake with a note in his profile that states he can only use one stand per battle and the op should specify which one he is using. That said... Joji didn't used White Snake in the story, so I don't know if it should scale to the original one or what.
