JORGE JOESTAR REVISIONS: Downgrades and Additions

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Even this?: "making for thirty-six hands all about to clap down on Cars as time began flowing again. "Auuuughhh!" Cars yelled and Cl-cl-cl-cl-cl-cl-cl-cl-cl-cl-cl-cl-cl-cl-cl-cl-cl-clap! Thunderous applause as eighteen pairs of hands clapped down on him."

Didn't thought about it, but maybe your right. Joji does seems to have resistance to time stop.

I... Don't understand what that quote has to do with anything? I'm pretty tired as it is as I hadn't had a break this past weeks, but... What has that to do with Dio not moving in time stop?

And the rest doesn't contradict anything anyway?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

"Kinda confirming the Cube's dimensionality"

- Except it doesn't. It's possible to bend space normally because it's a Stand and that's it's power. To Joji (something you yourself brought later), bending space was imposible, but he learned about stands and how they violate physics all the time. Heck, he even attributes that quality to the dolphin stand. Notice how nothing else about the explanation remotely implies 4-D. Once again, the tesseract are simply eight rooms linked through space.

"Excluding the fact that it's from.Joji's point of view?"

Like... Everything in the novel? (Had to cut comment)

>ONLY possible in three dimensions through stand power.

Also man. Ya best be having a jape? Kars time stopped the moment that happened and moved out of the way (and that was from jojis view. He thought the hands claped and bfrd kars but was proven wrong monents later) . The entire scene was posted. Pretty obvious when kars suddenly appeared completely out of sight and responded with I understand time stop with the world out and the whole fact that when that happened earlier and he couldnt stop time the bfr worked . Also joji doesnt have a resustance to za warudo. Or he'd have seen za warudo move funny the multitude of times za warudo did so.

Fact honestly (and quite obviously) Dio experienced za warudo could not act or move or see within the act. The latter time dio lostza warudo so even if he did see kars move that time (along with funny and jpjo because funny and joji moved also) he would have adapted mostly as his stand za warudo was destroyed previously a few dozen oages earlier.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

"Only possible in three dimensions"

So? Is Cream or The Hand 4-D?

And I see now what you mean. Didn't even considered that Kars used time stop to evade that.

Edit: Though it is strange that Joji never metioned that even though he serves as the narrator. To keep it a surprise? Sure, but why not just outright saying "Kars stoped time" and leave it with just a pretty vague "and the stand appears behind me as I say that I understood, implying a time stop" after the feat happens. I mean, he described events that happened during time stop before and after that.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Context clues. Why point that out when the scene makes that obviously as all hell. Honestly the only thing kars could have done was time stop. He cant teleport and d4c was later . And the scene was already done and potrated and depicted what happened when kars lacked za warudo . He could not escape bfr from funny and dio .

And he was only deducing what happened during the time stops "his stand must have moved funny while time was stopped". He was doing a taste amount of guesswirk .

Also what? Ya mentioned multiple stands arent played off as 4D or have any 4D power . That what ya did cant be called a false equalivance actually. Ya comparing a thing completely unrelated and different. The comparison doesnt even make any sense man? . Meanwhile the house that had a handful of chapters Amon plenty of statements and quoted to be a 4D object a multitude of times had a quote even mentioned the object only exists while within a 3D place because of a stand power meaning bullshit plot but an explanation none the less lephyr . The context of the quote obvious and quite clear. Can post the full and next scene for ya .

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Except the full scene is already linked in the op... The Cube House are just simply eight rooms linked through space. This is done so whatever falls into it accelerate to infinity and time travel. This obviously violates physics and it's imposible to do in 3-D space because of said physics (keep in mind, this is all from Joji's perspective and knowledge) However, that it's the power of said Stand, and thus, it makes it possible.

Edit:

"Ya mentioned multiple stands arent played off as 4D"

When?

And I shouldn't really say this, as english is my second tongue and sometimes have difficulty remembering things, but I genuinely can't understand you half the time.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Yeah? Youre kinda excluding the numerous quotes claiming thing is a tesseract and even explain what and how the cube works exclyding and the multitude of quotes on the details and workings of the thing. Then add a quote saying the tesseract can only be done through the power of stand in three dimensions? The fact is blatant as all hell. Gathering the scans for a post later .

The hand and cream? False equalivance.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Also on the topic of not factoring qoutes ya do realize kars later confirmed the universes d4c creates are fake and created?.

Kars actually goes out of his way to claim and refer to any object or the universes as fake.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I can call my lighter a chimney all I want, it doesn't make it a chimney.

Once again... The cube is only eight rooms linked through spatial manipulation. This doesn't make the Cube 4-D. The whole scene and explanation is already in the op.

Since this will probably just go on in circles, pust your arguments (since mine are already up) and let's see what the majority thinks.

Edit: I metioned Cream and The Hand because there powers are achieved via spatial manipulation, the same as the Cube House.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Not exactly the greatest anology ya got there.

Which one lephyr? Theres almost four. Also look up a tesseract please. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract . The diagram of the cube house also the same as that man . Also plan on doing that although on a device. Obviously away from a pc or else would have .

>What the majority thinks.


Ya mentioned two stands not claimed to be 4D.

 

[Dienomite22]

Wasn't the Cube House stated to expand infinitely in all directions and the vertical shaft is the one that generates the speed to time travel? Wasn't it stated to be untouchable or unaffected by everything outside of it? and doesn't it still have it's own space-time(via internalized space-time thing)? and wasn't it shown to be unaffected by outside time manipulation, meaning time manipulation outside of the house doesn't affect time on the inside?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Yeah. Among lots of things which have screencaos of. Posting on imgur on a device a pain thus ya must wait.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Yes... What the majority thinks. They can see both arguments and through something called analysis determined which of both of us is right in their opinions. Something otherwise called votes. You know, what we usually do in CRTs.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

The study was a cube, and on each of its six sides ― in other words, the four walls to the north south east and west as well as the floor and ceiling ― there was another, identical cube. Each of those cubes were linked to each other, for a total of eight cubes leading into one another. The furthest cube out turned in on itself and was surrounded by the other seven. This was a tesseract. -OP .

Ya litterally have


a description of what wikipedua claims would be a 4D object for the op and diagrams of the cube house also exist man .

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

Bump

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I think these can be applied

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@J-Man

Said he was gonna do another thread later anyway, so yeah. It can be applied for now.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Lephyr Its your thread, would you like to do the honors?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Sadly, can't. Since I'm on mobile, I'm afraid I might not do it right.