Tsunayoshi Sawada(8) vs Naruto Uzumaki(1) Inc(1)

Choice Arc Tsuna vs Sage Mode Naruto

X-Burner and Big Bang Axle restricted

Speed Equal


Tsuna Sawada


Naruto Sage Mode

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um just to be sure which sage mode naruto??? Pain arc or onwards??

Pain Arc

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Well, look like Teon isn't around here. So I think I need to analyze this by myself.

I will assume that chakra and Dying Will Flame are equal here due to Verse equalization. So Tsuna's abilities like ZPB:FE should work here.

While Naruto's Rasenshuriken Barrage is powerful, Tsuna should be able to handle it by nullify it with his cloak, or absorb it with ZPB:R.

While Naruto's shadow clone is annoying. Tsuna's Hyper Intuition and his air to ground fighting style should make him can handle them. He can also use AoE attack like X-Stream to get rid a a lot of clone too.

Tsuna's abilites like ZPB:FE and his petrification from Natsu are also useful here. Since it can use to freeze or turn Naruto's techniques and Naruto into a stone. And his Hyper Intuition should help him can find the real one from his clones for that too.

Overall, I think that Tsuna seem to have more advantages here. Vote for Tsuna for now.

Inconclusive. If tsuna absorbs narutos attacks he'll get petrified

Naruto cannot spam clones in this form, and will run out after a few rasenshuriken. And tsuna can keep up for long enough with him for that to happen

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Ricsi-viragosi said:

If tsuna absorbs narutos attacks he'll get petrified

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I don't think that Tsuna will get petrified from absorb. Since "Harmony", the sky flame characteristic should harmonizes Naruto's chakra and make it to safe to absorb.

Also, Hyper Intution should warn him if it dangerous to absorb, So Tsuna can change to dodge or freeze it insted.

That is nlf, pain could absorb chakra despite it naturaly destroying the cells if not perfectly controlled and was still petrified. And verse equalization does no allow him to affect nature energy as his fire, only chakra

Tsuna: 1

Naruto: 0

Inconclusive: 1

Oh and the reason Pain turned to stone was because he was absorbing it directly from Naruto, he was fine absorbing a Rasenshuriken

because the rasenshuriken does not use nature energy

Well, Tsuna only absorb energy from attack. If Rasenshuriken can still be absorbed, then he can still absorb it.

While Tsuna shound't be able to absorb nature energy. He should be able to senses that he can't absorb it. When he fought King Mosca, he is able to senses that fire bullets from Mosca is mixed with some alloy and make him can't absorb it. Tsuna's Hyper Intuition is also useful when it's come to situation like this. So even if Tsuna tried to prefigure ZPB:R at first. He should senses and avoid it before it's affect him.

Also, if Naruto's attack still mix chakra, even he can't absorb but he can still freeze it.

Still leaning toward Tsuna here.

no, sensing a metal is nowhere near like sensing nature energy, and if he cannot absorb non attacks then naruto simply maskes a clone as a rasenshuriken .

. It also doesn't work on those with artificial intelligence . This needs context, because shadow clones are artificial.

Which attack exactly? His taijutsu does not use chakra, only nature chakra, and he does not spam rasenshuriken.

Plus naruto has a ridicolous lifting strenght advantage that would allow him to ragdoll tsu around

In the process of Tsuna using his absorption skill, he absorb them, purified them and convert them into his own flames, so I don't think he will get affect by the petrification. So after the convertion they will not be just natural energy anymore, but dying will flames.

yes, but him being able to filter nature energy out of them is an nlf. So if he tries to use it on a clone (or a clone transformed into a rasenshuriken) then I call nlf for him purifying it

Tsuna FRA

Tsuna: 2

Naruto: 0

Inconclusive: 1

He doesn't need to sense natural energy. He just senses that the attack is dangerous and need to avoid it. That's how his Hyper Intuition work. It allows Tsuna to predict upcoming dangers even he doesn't realize what the danger actually is. I also doubt that he can't sense the different between real and fake Rasenshuriken since Tsuna can clearly tells the different between real and illusion attacks before. And Tsuna can still just punch the clone away or freeze it.

I don't think that robot is the same thing as clones. Plus Naruto's clones still move in Naruto's favor, which make him can still predict it.

Pretty sure that Tsuna will not prefer to absorb Taijutsu since his technique doesn't nullify damage from martial arts' attack like punch and kick. But he has no real reason to not absorn Rasenshuriken (even Naruto didn't spam it)

How can Naruto use his lifting strenght for hos advantage?

Tsuna FRA.

Tsuna: 3

Naruto: 0

Inconclusive: 1

Tsuna FRA

wait Tsuna scales to 36 megatons at most while Naruto scales to 61 megatons and can summon toads. If he summons Ma and Pa he gets genjutsu via Toad song. Which I dont think Tsuna can absorb. He would not be able to see through it either because toad song worked on Pain who has the rinnengan that allows him to see through literally the most powerful of genjutsu.

With Naurot having the AP and durability advantage he can tank a few attacks can devise a strategy. It also means Naruto's clones would not be taken out.

And Naruto using senjutsu means that he can use invisible attacks against Tsuna.

thus I vote for Naruto.

So...why not just War Arc Sage Mode Naruto?

Frog Song is the one that completely paralyses people, and leaves them helpless and vulnerable to attacks.

Frog Duet is the genjutsu. But both should work anyway.

Burning Full Fingers said:

Frog Song is the one that completely paralyses people, and leaves them helpless and vulnerable to attacks.
Frog Duet is the genjutsu. But both should work anyway.

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Ohh yeah, my bad I mix them up a lot lol.

Thank you to Rocker for pointing out Naruto's AP advantage. I wasn't sure if the high or low version of the calc was accepted. But I'd assume the high was accepted, otherwise it would be an AP stomp.

To get to my reasoning.

Tsuna not having access to the two greatest attacks in his arsenal severely cripples him here, as they are both ranged attacks, which is his greatest advantage in this fight, paired with his flight.

This is sage mode Naruto from the Pain arc. Naruto in general is rather unlikely to use genjutsu, but, obviously, he spams shadow clones, toad summons and rasengan like no one's business. Only thing he can't spam, but still do a few times, is the rasenshuriken.

Naruto has the clear ground advantage. Duplication, toad summons, and all manner of rasengan given him numerous tools on the ground. Toad song and kwaze kumite (I think that's what it's called) given him even more of a versatility advantage, for not only can he paralyze, but his physical attacks don't even have to connect for Tsuna to be hit. Though, arguably, Tsuna's hyper intuition would likely tell him something is up with Naruto's attack. His hyper intuition is nothing more than a somewhat inconsistent danger sense, which also allows him to figure things out much more quickly than the average hitman. It also allows him to have some degree of resistance to illusions, and tell him when he has been caught in one, like when he fought against Torikabuto. Tsuna used an X-Burner to physically bust his way out of the illusion. The X-Burner is banned here, but it should be noted that it's possible for Tsuna to manage to physically bust through illusions. But it's highly unlikely given that the X-Burner is banned here.

However, I do believe Tsuna would win for the following reasons. First and foremost, is his flight, which Tsuna abuses, and rightfully so. If the opponent is stronger than him, such as in the fight against Genkishi, he will simply fly away, and come up with a strategy. For Naruto to even reach Tsuna, will require energy on his behalf, while Tsuna can, rather casually, weave in and out of Naruto's attacks. Of course, it would be problematic is Naruto tossed a rasenshuriken at Tsuna. However, as it's a chakra attack, Tsuna could absorb the entirety of it, bridging some of the AP gap, and becoming even faster, making his strategy of flight and fight far more effective.

However, his second key to winning, is his Zero Point Breakthrough: First Edition. Naruto's summons and clones are nothing but bunches of Chakra, which Tsuna can freeze by merely touching them. Seeing as how the clones would be trying to attack him anyway, First Edition gives him a rather simply way to dispatch of them, and the toads as well. If the toads imbue their weapons with Chakra, he could freeze those as well. The toads would have to use some kind of fire style to melt the ice, but I can't recall how in character it would be for them to do such, and that's also assuming their entire body isn't frozen. Freezing an entire body isn't instant, but it's quick enough for people like Byakuran, or Tozaru to not react to their attacks or box weapons being frozen. Though you can ignore the Byakuran example, as this is choice arc Tsuna.

Not to mention that Tsuna has augmented defense with his cloak, and pertification with Natsu. So here, not only does First Edition serve as a way to deal with clones, and toad summons, but so does petrification. Not to mention that First Edition can freeze attacks as well. Though Tsuna is less likely to try this, as it's more dangerous for him. In particular given Naruto's AP advantage.

Tsuna merely has ways to out all of his options, not to mention that his casual flight forces Naruto to expend energy to mere approach Tsuna, while Tsuna's energy expense is rather negligible when it comes to flight. Naruto's versatility in his summons and clones are taken care of by First Edition or Petrification, and a couple of his tricks will simply be avoided due to Tsuna's intuition, or at least have their effectiveness decreased. Landing a frog song on such a mobile target such as Tsuna is rather unlikely, but Natsu can roar and keep most things at bay with the sky flame's harmony attribute. As Naruto would be petrified in he got too close.

All in all, Tsuna has all the tools necessary to win this one. So I'd go with him, Mid-High diff.

SUMMONS SHOULD BE RESTRICTED, AS THE STRONGEST TOADS SCALE TO BEING 7b

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This is a 7-B battle right?

Any my issue Litentric is that Tsuna would not know rugth away that Naruto is stronger and with toad duet he can easily catch him out in the air. It is an aoe and with Naruto's strength being boosted he can easily jump to incredible heights. I stil dont know if we use the high end or low end. But The Low-end would mean that Tsuna can not win so I assumed the high-end.

yes, but the toads are above naruto in raw AP

Ricsi-viragosi said:

yes, but the toads are above naruto in raw AP

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But you can only restrict them if they are a different tier as per the rules. And the OP has to be the one restricting them not a random.

yeah, I suppose that is true. They definitly give an edge tough

He wouldn't know, true. But, Tsuna can literally just fly out of the way. Toad Duet, iirc, is a sound based attack. Tsuna can fly up and out of the way. And Naruto can leap at him, sure, but, once again, Tsuna has the advantage in the air, and can simply fly out of the way. He could wave a screen of sky flames in front of him. Fly to the side, above, or beneath of Naruto, as Naruto has to land with a relatively set trajectory.

That's true, Tsuna can't win if we use the low end. Tsuna is still likely to get hit, as he still has a tendency to fight relatively close. In particular as his ranged attacks are banned here. Once he was struck once, even if it was a glancing blow, he'd know of Naruto's strength. He might just be able to get a gauge from killing intent alone, if they are fighting to kill, which they should be, presumably, under SBA.

Toad Duet, iirc, is a sound based attack. Tsuna can fly up and out of the way.

it is much faster then the speed of sound, and its aoe, so how would he dodge it?

He might just be able to get a gauge from killing intent alone, if they are fighting to kill, which they should be, presumably, under SBA.

Willing=wanting. naruto will not try to kill him, just wont stop if he ever gets to that point

Litentric Teon said:

He wouldn't know, true. But, Tsuna can literally just fly out of the way. Toad Duet, iirc, is a sound based attack. Tsuna can fly up and out of the way. And Naruto can leap at him, sure, but, once again, Tsuna has the advantage in the air, and can simply fly out of the way. He could wave a screen of sky flames in front of him. Fly to the side, above, or beneath of Naruto, as Naruto has to land with a relatively set trajectory.
That's true, Tsuna can't win if we use the low end. Tsuna is still likely to get hit, as he still has a tendency to fight relatively close. In particular as his ranged attacks are banned here. Once he was struck once, even if it was a glancing blow, he'd know of Naruto's strength. He might just be able to get a gauge from killing intent alone, if they are fighting to kill, which they should be, presumably, under SBA.

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Btw good argument all my recent thread has had people doing terrible argument s and it has been grinding my gears. I can see this going either way. By for me Naruto with High-Diff because of flight.

@Rocker

Thank you.

Flight? Naruto can't fly in this form. You literally just said that Naruto would have to jump to great heights.

You also didn't address any of my other points. I think we both agree it wouldn't be a simple fight at the very least.

@Risci

Speed is equalized here. Toad Duet is not faster than any of Naruto's other standard attacks. Tsuna can still move out the way. Or even counter it with his cloak, or potentially Natsu's roar.

ALright. I put 'might' there for just that reason. But the other reasoning given in that paragraph would still stand.

the duet was faster then pain and jiraya tough.

Yes, but I'm still for inconclusive because of outnumbering him woth summons and being able to henge into a rasenshuriken to throw himself or clones towards him

I did not address them because I pretty much agree more or less. I just feel like Naruto's genius strategies would allow him to work around Tusna's flight.

Yes but it is an AOE is the main issu he would have to run away. Also he does not know what Toad duet does either, the moment he hears it he is finished.