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https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1544013#59Gargoyle One said:Can't say I'm too angry a Star Wars character had a fair fight with the Emperor
Abeloth is stronger than both of the Son and Daughter and can make Grandmaster Luke look like an ant when the two are in their full power, and Grandmaster Luke is superior than Dark Empire Sidious who is more powerful than Sith Lord Odion wearing the Helm of Iedis, which allows him to mind control every single being in the galaxy with ease and this includes other Sith Lords.Abu2411 said:How would Abeloth's mind hax even work on Morgoth?
Are you suggesting that Abeloth when it comes to using the Force is weaker than Odion with the Helm of Iedis.Abu2411 said:that does not mean her mindhax is good
I just don't see Abeloth Mindhaxing a being that is the equal to Biblical Satan. That seems unquantifiable to me, so the only thing we have to go on is sheer power, and while Abeloth has that in spades, I don't see her as having more than Morgoth, or necessarily even as much power as Morgoth.Gargoyle One said:None of that explains the potency of his resistance.
Especially when Abeloths Mind Hax is way above the quadrillion's at this point
Well saying that "Mindhax" = one drop of rain in the ocean in the following analogy should help. You're saying, "Abeloth's Mind Hax is way above the quadrillions at this point? Quadrillions of what? Quadrillions of ants? People? Gods? Sorry, Morgoth is a god who has the following feats with his mind alone, with no psionic powers:Gargoyle One said:None of that helps whatsoever
Abeloth is vastly superior to Sith like Darth Sidious who can control 100 Quadrillion's Sentient and Non sentient beings with a single thought
Saying he resists mindhax of that level because he's equal to Satan makes zero sense and isn't helpful
His status as a god isn't what is being discussed, it's the reality of this designation that matters. Abeloth Mind Hax is not something that exists in Lord of the Rings, therefore the closest proximity we have to quantify something like that is the sheer magical power and strength of will that Morgoth possesses. In Arda, the setting of Lord of the Rings, how you measure someone's power is through authority or strength of will. Even if The Force exists in Arda, which it doesn't, The Force isn't automatically superior to the magic in Tolkien's work. So, the reason why Morgoth being a god matters, is because his magic is simply stronger than Abeloth's IMHO.Wokistan said:His status as a god doesn't matter, and her mindhax is caused by thinking and isn't something you can Dodge.
It's not necessarily about quantity so much as quality. The Quality of a Creator God type mind is innately superior than any mortal's. So, we have to prove, what makes Abeloth's ability to do things like Mind Hax entire population's so impressive that it automatically proves she can do anything to Morgoth's mind? The answer is, nothing.Wokistan said:That's not really how verse equalization works, but I don't think you can really get how absurd a number 100 quadrillion is. That's not an insult, numbers that high are extremely difficult for humans to conceptualize. World population is what, 7.5 ish billion? Say each person gets their own earth with the same population. That's still only about half of what abeloth can overcome. The collective will of 100 quadrillion minds, including profocient force users, seems more impressive than creator god type stuff.