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Android 17 vs Frieza (end of DBS)

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This is actually an incredibly close fight. I'm going to give this one to 17 since he lasted far, FAR longer against Toppo, he has better shields, he has much better stamina, AND he has a much better mentality and strategic mind.
 
Eminiteable said:
Freeza:
- Pressure Point Blast

- Imprisonment Ball

- Telekinesis

These three things easily give him the win.
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Pretty sure 17 can reacte against against those lasers

17 wouldnt be caught in that easy plus if he did he would still tank

telekinesis is not that impressive...the most he did was blow up fodder (sorry Krillin fans) and 17 isnt fodder, and also lift a giant rock
 
Freeza > 17 in the tournament, thus why Freeza has been doing most of the heavy fighting while 17 stays back and fires from a far. So these things would work.
 
Against exhausted Jiren, Friza and Goku did most of the work. While 17 just... kinda stand there not being able to keep up?

So writer seems to want to make statement that Friza is probably stronger of the two.
 
Eminiteable said:
Freeza > 17 in the tournament, thus why Freeza has been doing most of the heavy fighting while 17 stays back and fires from a far. So these things would work.
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"Heavy fighting" do you mean charging in and getting wrecked like fodder consistently after Toppo while 17 "kinda" was kinda getting wrecked but more like consistently pushed back and DID show more effort and lasted longer in ALL his fights...nahh 17 wins
 
I admit, Frieza is stronger than 17, but 17 has far more self-supportive hax like infinite energy, multi-layer energy shields, and a strategic mindset. 17 will most likely form a strategy to beat Friezza, whle Frieza, being Frieza, will most lkeely be cocky enough to fall into 17's trap. Besides, the difference in power between Frieza and 17 is not high, so 17 could keep up with him in hand-to-hand and beam struggles, at least until Frieza tires out.
 
Going by Episode 131, 17 himself still considered a tired Golden Freeza to be pretty strong and 17 himself struggled with Toppo, who was around as strong as SSB Goku, who Golden Freeza was equal to. Not sure how that equates to 17>Golden Freeza other than people wanting him to be on the same tier as SSBE Vegeta and Kaioken x20 SSB Goku.

Not saying 17 COULDN'T win by outsmarting Freeza, he's definetly a better fighter and strategist. Infinite energy is a plus as well that Freeza doesn't have. Not really a stomp in either side's favor even if I lean toward's Freeza due to a strength advantage and the lack of his Golden form's energy problem in the ToP.
 
SuperDragoon978 said:
Going by Episode 131, 17 himself still considered a tired Golden Freeza to be pretty strong and 17 himself struggled with Toppo, who was around as strong as SSB Goku, who Golden Freeza was equal to. Not sure how that equates to 17>Golden Freeza other than people wanting him to be on the same tier as SSBE Vegeta and Kaioken x20 SSB Goku.
Not saying 17 COULDN'T win by outsmarting Freeza, he's definetly a better fighter and strategist. Infinite energy is a plus as well that Freeza doesn't have. Not really a stomp in either side's favor even if I lean toward's Freeza due to a strength advantage and the lack of his Golden form's energy problem in the ToP.
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Nooo, Toppo has been suggested as Kaioken x10-20 level.
 
Pretty sure 17 take this

He's much better tactician and have way more stamina, also unlike Frieza 17 doesn't dick around and try to end the match as fast as possible, also his barrier are OP and was only broke by Jiren iirc
 
Feats and scaling > vague lines from character

17 was better than Frieza in every stage of the tournament, Frieza got rekt in matter of seconds when fought Toppo and Jiren unlike 17
 
Burninghflamez said:
Yes ofc you know 17 strength better than himself.

Toshio also stated Frieza > 17.
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He never outright said Frieza was stronger than him besides my main argument wasn't about 17 having better AP, even if you want to give Frieza the AP advantage 17 is still much better fighter, have much more stamina, and his barries are OP
 
He didn't just said it, he was also assisting Frieza and counting on his power.

For the rest of your post I just said that above yours.
 
Burninghflamez said:
Yes ofc you know 17 strength better than himself.
Toshio also stated Frieza > 17.
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Here is a very solid feat you can't argue against. Golden Frieza literally couldn't even penetrate Jiren's natural ki barrier, yet 17 right after was having a fist clash with him and temporarily even held off a full power, angry Jiren blast. And he destroyed it, too. Lierally, other than the Jiren fight, Frieeza has pretty much no strong evidence that he's more powerful than 17.
 
17 = 8 + 2 (ZERO7772, Theglassman12) = 10 vote [] Friza = 4 vote

@Burningflamez who do you vote for?

Also, on the topic of '17 thinks Friza is stronger than himself' I think writers just can't make up their mind in 'Friza>17' thing.
 
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