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Broly Movie feats can't be included cause that would be a 3A vs Low 2C fight, which is a mismatch
I am referring to the fact that Frieza's end of ToP base power is actively supported by his scaling in the Broly film (along with Goku's own scaling). Frieza has used barriers beforehand and Frieza has already had absurd endurance and stamina prior to the Broly film. I honestly think Frieza's stamina feat should be treated as the case for all of his keys, as it isn't a special trait that he gained from training. At worst, he has had that stamina due to his training in Hell which was prior to the ToP.
17 is a much better strategist and would actually try to find a strategy to win,
Hard disagree. 17 is calmer and more patient than Frieza, willing to play out the waiting game but Frieza displayed in the ToP that he is willing, and capable, of playing the waiting game. He recognised Goku's role as Jiren's destroyer, protected and saved Goku multiple times, helped Goku recover and worked with Goku despite his inherent loathing for him at the end of the tournament. His plans in the ToP also all revolved around manipulating the others into second-guessing his motives.
In hindsight, it becomes quite clear that Frieza manipulated the cast into trusting him enough to adhere to reviving him.
In regards to tactics and fighting, Frieza learned and matched Goku's entire fighting style after fighting him only twice in his entire life via mental simulations and has created techniques such as Imprisonment Ball, Death Cage, Homing Death Beams and Barriers despite never receiving formal training. On the other hand, 17's barriers may be inherent to his design (considering he had them in Z) but he developed them over the course of decades.
Overall, Frieza isn't a lesser strategist. He just has a much harder time keeping his cool, which 17 can take advantage of.
try to just tank everything 17 throws at him due to 1. his cockiness, and 2. his inability to sense 17's power level
Frieza has never tanked attacks a day in his life. He has always preferred using his superior speed to terrify his opponents. The only instance of him choosing to just overpower the opponent would be once against Vegeta and once against Nail, who were both far slower than Frieza.
Frieza is going to choose to dodge and as soon as he dodges one attack, he will realize how dangerous 17 actually is. Frieza, even at disbelief of Goku's power and lacking ki sense, still chose to try and blow up Namek's core instead of winning in a direct confrontation and after RoF has become less narssistic regarding his power and acknowledges the superiority of others.
And I'm pretty sure that 17's shields can take attacks stronger than himself anyways
Most likely, but he still has to drop the shield to attack Frieza. Frieza can paralyse 17, shield against 17's kamikaze attacks and even destroy the planet. 18 shows that androids can't breath in space after all. Frieza's own stamina should be treated enough to outlast 17's oxygen with his shield or even shatter his air-bubble.
I am referring to the fact that Frieza's end of ToP base power is actively supported by his scaling in the Broly film (along with Goku's own scaling). Frieza has used barriers beforehand and Frieza has already had absurd endurance and stamina prior to the Broly film. I honestly think Frieza's stamina feat should be treated as the case for all of his keys, as it isn't a special trait that he gained from training. At worst, he has had that stamina due to his training in Hell which was prior to the ToP.
17 is a much better strategist and would actually try to find a strategy to win,
Hard disagree. 17 is calmer and more patient than Frieza, willing to play out the waiting game but Frieza displayed in the ToP that he is willing, and capable, of playing the waiting game. He recognised Goku's role as Jiren's destroyer, protected and saved Goku multiple times, helped Goku recover and worked with Goku despite his inherent loathing for him at the end of the tournament. His plans in the ToP also all revolved around manipulating the others into second-guessing his motives.
In hindsight, it becomes quite clear that Frieza manipulated the cast into trusting him enough to adhere to reviving him.
In regards to tactics and fighting, Frieza learned and matched Goku's entire fighting style after fighting him only twice in his entire life via mental simulations and has created techniques such as Imprisonment Ball, Death Cage, Homing Death Beams and Barriers despite never receiving formal training. On the other hand, 17's barriers may be inherent to his design (considering he had them in Z) but he developed them over the course of decades.
Overall, Frieza isn't a lesser strategist. He just has a much harder time keeping his cool, which 17 can take advantage of.
try to just tank everything 17 throws at him due to 1. his cockiness, and 2. his inability to sense 17's power level
Frieza has never tanked attacks a day in his life. He has always preferred using his superior speed to terrify his opponents. The only instance of him choosing to just overpower the opponent would be once against Vegeta and once against Nail, who were both far slower than Frieza.
Frieza is going to choose to dodge and as soon as he dodges one attack, he will realize how dangerous 17 actually is. Frieza, even at disbelief of Goku's power and lacking ki sense, still chose to try and blow up Namek's core instead of winning in a direct confrontation and after RoF has become less narssistic regarding his power and acknowledges the superiority of others.
And I'm pretty sure that 17's shields can take attacks stronger than himself anyways
Most likely, but he still has to drop the shield to attack Frieza. Frieza can paralyse 17, shield against 17's kamikaze attacks and even destroy the planet. 18 shows that androids can't breath in space after all. Frieza's own stamina should be treated enough to outlast 17's oxygen with his shield or even shatter his air-bubble.
R: You haven't proved nothing, you nitpicked stuff that overall doesn't matter and didn't make sense, honestly I'm gonna go ahead and say 17 wins and no one can prove otherwise as 17 has been shown comparable strength with Vegeta SSJBE, and you cannot prove the same for Frieza in this instance...
