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Goku VS. Laharl

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It was done in their 3-A forms, now it's time for Low 2-C.

Speed is Equalized, Post Tournament Goku and Full Power Laharl.

Victory by any means, morals on.

GOKU: 6

LAHARL: 4
 
So, let's see:

Ultra Instinct Goku- Stronger than Jiren in his LIMIT BREAKING state, surpasses Toppo by a ******* Landslide (Ya know? The same Toppo that could Warp the ENTIRE World of Void in the Span of a simple Hakai?), made a litteral Galaxy-esc Spiral with his the Roar of his Omen Aura alone. Hell, his OMEN state even ****** over Kefla (Whose SSJ2 State was capable of destroying an entire Universe in the Span of a simple Blast). His actual U.I State would likely make Kefla a fly compared to him.

Laharl: Re-created the Big Bang, fought guys that could destroy the Universe, while also defeating a guy that had 4th Dimensional Powers. So...yeah.

Overall: I'd say Ultra Instinct Goku. However, that's just me. Laharl seems to be quite a challenge, however.
 
Laharl likely gets outclassed in direct combat, so I'd *normally* give it to Goku after a good fight but Laharl has that bad habit of DELIBERATELY blowing up the planet when he gets pissed that someone is winning against him.

Did Goku surpass the "Can't breath in space" weakness by now or nah?

If yes, then guess he wins.

If not, one way or another Laharl obliterates the planet and he suffocates.
 
FateAlbane said:
Laharl likely gets outclassed in direct combat, so I'd *normally* give it to Goku after a good fight but Laharl has that bad habit of DELIBERATELY blowing up the planet when he gets pissed that someone is winning against him.
Did Goku surpass the "Can't breath in space" weakness by now or nah?

If yes, then guess he wins.

If not, one way or another Laharl obliterates the planet and he suffocates.
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If this battle does go into Space, then Goku loses unless we count his Instant Transmission. Then, he can just teleport to another random Planet.
 
Also, can Laharl survive a Planet's destruction? If yes, then maybe Goku could have some trouble there.

However, with Ultra Instinct, I don't see Goku letting Laharl do such a thing.
 
Thing is that at this point Laharl will be chilling and fighting freely in space while Goku needs to keep stopping for air mid-battle and Laharl could take those openings.

There's also the fact that Laharl can use Healing spells and induce Status effects such as Paralysis (can't move away, but can still atack), Sleep and such (there's Poison too, but that Goku negs), though these are not listed for some reason.

If Goku went away he would be giving Laharl time to recover as well.

As for whether he gets the chance or not to Planet Bust, considering this is a fight at Universal Level and Laharl has corresponding range even with a punch, blowing up a planet would be very easy for him to do if he intended to.
 
if laharl destroys a planet goku just gets him and teleports both to king kai world/random planet assuming its on disgaea universe, and this time he wouldnt allow it to happen again, due to higher power and reactive fighting, seeing how very unlikely laharl can win without planet busting im voting for goku
 
At this level, literally stepping a bit harder on the planet can planet bust if the character wants to. See extremely weakened golden Frieza who isn't even near this lvl casually making the Earth go boom with a hand gesture.

Assuming Goku prevents it the entire battle is like saying he can prevent his opponent from even moving.
 
Either way.

I'll just go ahead and vote for Goku with high diff for the moment. He seems all around higher in general status, and with Mastered Ultra Instinct, while I doubt he can prevent Laharl from Planet Busting a few times, I believe he can pull that strategy off of trying to teleport to other planets whenever necessary.

And considering he has a feat of nullifying universal busting waves, perhaps he can prevent a general Universe busting from Laharl, unless I'm overanalyzing stuff.
 
...No wait. I just remembered.

Isn't MUI something that may backfire horribly on Goku after some time? Like, if the time of DBS is anything to go by, very little time. If that is so, the fight extends enough for that due to planet busting and teleporting away stuff and Goku might still lose.

Changing to inconclusive.
 
its limited tbf however he can likely null the ones around Jiren's full power blasts AFAIK
 
even if goku can only last 1 minute, at those speeds lasts forever, he also took a beating so it might have shortned it from the previous record of 2 minutes. i dont know how much above baseline laharl is, but goku can easily defeat some above baseline in much less time than that one minute.
 
If this was uninterrupted fighting I'd be with you there, but 2 minutes or so won't last forever when he has to teleport away, stop to take air, come back, etc, rinse and repeat whenever some random planet they're fighting in gets busted.
 
FateAlbane said:
...No wait. I just remembered.
Isn't MUI something that may backfire horribly on Goku after some time? Like, if the time of DBS is anything to go by, very little time. If that is so, the fight extends enough for that due to planet busting and teleporting away stuff and Goku might still lose.

Changing to inconclusive.
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Yeah, but...at the same time, not only was Goku HORRIBLY Weakened, but he had already gone Omen...like...2 times beforehand. The fact that he was even able to MASTER Ultra Instinct is insane.

I'd like to think of this as a KK Treatment. Meaning: Push yourself too much, the Higher the Toll. However, the more you use said Power, the lesser the Toll will be, hence giving you a TON of Control with the Form.

This likely includes Ultra Instinct as well.
 
not all fights over planet level end with planet busting each 5 seconds, unless its on character for him to do it over and over and i dont remember that happening in the games, goku just grabbing him to teleport to another planets and finish him quick is very possible, specially if laharl isnt much above the baseline in which goku can pretty much one shot or close to it. what you described wouldnt take anywhere above 5 seconds in its totality knowing the speeds they are fighting with.
 
@fate is it possible for Goku to hold his breath to fight in space i mean he needs to finish the match in a minute so there is that otherwise he's screwed
 
goku's breathing is very large in comparison to normal humans, above 3 minutes i think (underwater)
 
goku FRA

@antorus that's pretty much a derail so don't we don't need a lightning in a laharl thread
 
...ehh. I feel it's selling Laharl a bit short to say he's "just" Universe level+, by the time he's at the peak of his strength, people that can recreate said Big Bang feat are literal fodder. So, I don't think he's at a significant AP/Dura advantage.

It's also worth noting there's a few powers/abilities not listed on his profile, i.e. Soul Manipulation (Red Moon), Minor Mind Manipulation, Status Effect Inducement, Teleportation, etc. Not sure how relevant that is here, but imagine it would at least be some kind of edge (though, given he's a little over-confident I don't know if he'd open with his stronger stuff off the bat.)

Didn't the entirety of the fight where Goku awakened Ultra Instinct in the first place take place in like, space? I'm pretty sure Goku's past that whole "imma blow up the planet!" weakness at this point.

I'll get back to this in more detail, later...
 
ThePerpetual said:
Didn't the entirety of the fight where Goku awakened Ultra Instinct in the first place take place in like, space? I'm pretty sure Goku's past that whole "imma blow up the planet!" weakness at this point.
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Nah, Krillin and Roshi were at the same place and could breathe just fine, so there should be air there.
 
@ThePerpetual we dont know how above baseline laharl is, but we know goku in full power can stomp people who stomp people who stomp people who all are above baseline b a decent ammount.

for the other part if you think his profile is missing something you can make a CTR to add it
 
Doesn't Laharl have a longer train of scaling than Goku? Pretty sure that Beerus, who's baseline (or barely above t), isn't fodder to MUI Goku, so...
 
The real cal howard said:
Doesn't Laharl have a longer train of scaling than Goku? Pretty sure that Beerus, who's baseline (or barely above t), isn't fodder to MUI Goku, so...
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I'm pretty sure Goku's stronger than Beerus. I mean, at this rate, it's all but confirmed.
 
why is beerus barely baseline? he is higher than that, dont let him being alerted over casual jiren tell that its his limit, im sure theres someone who can explain the scaling better than me but beerus is above other characters who themselves are above baseline like kefla and toppo, even goku kkx20 is above baseline, his MUI is MUCH higher than kkx20.
 
Beerus isn't the one that's Baseline, Zamasu is. Also there's another low 2-C character that goku defeated, even with the power gap in mind, and this was incomplete UI.
 
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