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Both are High 6-A and Speed Equalized
Victory via Death, KO, Incap, BFR, etc.

Shadow with his Limiter off vs DMC2 Dante

Who wins and why?
 
I think, with Shadows more spammy use of time Stop and his higher AP and BFR, he should be able to take this, but Im not voting yet.
 
Eh sure.

That said, I completely missed this was DMC2 Dante, Chrono Heart completely screws Shadow over, and his AP shouldn't be that much higher since this Dante stomps multiple High 6As on his own.

That, and Dante is far more expirienced then Shadow, given he's spent decades fighting people on his level very consistently.
 
so Dante has an egde here, eh?

I'm still not sure if Shadow's BFR would help him, but I think I'll vote a Cobra rip-off for reasons above for now

inb4 DMC2 becomes non-canon and 85% of Dante's matches get hakai'd
 
I vote shadow because of bfr, teleportation, durability negating haxes and he is more likely to use his time abilities way before dante would.
 
And the chrono heart only last for a few seconds and use up a lot of energy meaning dante isn't going to be able to spam it. Not only that though if he uses it and lands a hit it want do much damage to shadow considering shadow has higher ap.
 
O and this is shadow with his limiters off meaning that he is a lot more serious, his stats are amplify even more above dante than they already were, and isn't going to mess around with dante. Even if dante leads with, which he want because he hardly ever does, or manages to hit shadow with his chrono heart he want go for the kill right away meaning shadow is going to retaliate with his own and put dante away by either bfring him or either using the indigo asteroid to rip him apart.
 
Blueblur24 said:
And the chrono heart only last for a few seconds and use up a lot of energy meaning dante isn't going to be able to spam it. Not only that though if he uses it and lands a hit it want do much damage to shadow considering shadow has higher ap.
Chrono Heart does not take any energy to activate and constantly stacks hit after hit, so there's that.

Also let's be completely honest, Equipment and DT limits are nothing but game mechanics, as such they shouldn't matter in the long run in an actual debate.

And Dante doesn't need to lead with it, it's a passive ability, that's how they work, it's not simply on and off,

<Dante won't go for the kill

Why?
 
Chrono heart does require which is why he couldn't just spam it outright. I can agree with time limits being game mechanics but needing to equip something is as dante can only use one of the hearts at a time. It is not passive either he would need to switch to it in order for him to use it.

What I meant by dante won't go for the kill is that even if he uses the Chaos heart it wouldn't kill shadow do to him being higher on the 6-A scale.
 
Actually no I just check dante' s page and on there it says that he has only a finite amount of devil trigger energy.
 
<Why he couldn't just spam it outright

Where are you getting this from exactly? Interesting note all the fighting is done off screen, to say it's why he doesn't spam it all the time is to effectively interpret the fight how you see it, that's not an assumption you can make without knowing

Why wouldn't Dante go for the kill?
 
He couldn't just spam it outright because it requires that he use a lot of energy and considering he has only a limited amount of it he want be able to spam. Ok saying that all the fighting takes place off screen makes little sense, you could say that about any game if that was the case. No what I am doing is going by what dante has been shown to do in character which is usually fight with rebellion and his guns he hardly ever uses his hax in character to fight opponents.

Shadow on the other hand has been shown to not only use his hax in character but put them to great use and that's shadow with the limiters on and considering that shadow has his limiters off he isn't going to mess around with dante and will be more prone to try and finish dante off outright.

Also chrono heart isn't the be all end all here as if he uses it he lands a hit with rebellion which won't do much considering shadow has higher durability then him.
 
I already pointed out the energy is a game mechanic, plain and simple

<You could say that about any game

I can, doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong, you can't say he doesn't use a passive ability because he hasn't been shown to spam it (He'll he only gets it within the last part of DMC2). It's a passive ability, that's how they work.

<Won't do much because Shadow has higher Durability

That's just a bit much, yes, Shadow has higher Durability then Dante, but not enough to where a Slash isn't going to hurt him.

Shadow is>>500 Pettatons for being stronger then his previous form.

Dante is>>>>>Argosax who is>>>Sparda who is>>>Mundus who is>>>172 Pettatons from a casual Abigail

Assuming a minimum lowball of saying he's 200 Pettatons which is ludicrous, Shadow is still 3x stronger at most.

Anyway, enough on Chrono Heart, that alone isn't nearly enough of a reason.

He can still Stop it if he feels it necessary, has a far higher Arsenal of weapons, and is much, much more expirienced and skilled then this version of Shadow, dude has literally decades of experience fighting Demons on his level of around it, and is still alive and well, this is of course on top of him being able to master new fighting styles and weapons on the fly, but that's less important.
 
No energy isn't a game mechanic as it is listed on his page as being one of his weakness.

Again chrono heart is not passive he has to switch to in order to use it want just activate with any slash dante takes.

Yes shadow has better durability than dante to were if dante hits him it want do much. However if shadow hits dante it will hurt quiet a lot actually and considering that shadow likes to use chaos boost in his attacks and doesn't have the limiters on makes him even stronger and above his normal state.

Even if we say dante is around maybe 300 or so petatons shadow still has higher ap. Shadow is around 511 petatons in his restricted form was able to fight mephiles who had all of shadow's attributes and still won not only after mephiles decided to multiply himself shadow only took of two rings and was able to one shot all of the clones and manage to still defeat mephiles. Has dante has a large arsenal compared to shadow but what makes you so sure that he is even goi g to use it as in character dante just uses his sword and guns to handle foes even when serious.

Shadow also has experience fighting people similar to him as well like metal sonic, sonic, silver, eggman, black doom, mephiles, Iblis, etc so that isn't much of a reason as well.
 
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